Do women ask to be sexually harrassed/assaulted?

[Ishkaebibble]

Perhaps i was a little too upfront in my last posts, but say what you will, i still think you can lay part of the blame on the victim in certain situations. Obviously being attacked at work while wearing normal clothes isn't one of them. If you wear a skirt halfway up your bum and a tube top with no bra into a dark alley, then maybe you are asking for it. And while i would never wish it upon anyone, and i would still feel bad about the matter, i would still feel that things could be avoided.

Ok, let me be straight with you. NO MATTER WHAT SHE IS WEARING SHE NEVER DESERVES IT. Never, never, never NEVER. You have just said one of the jerkiest things I have ever heard. So if a buff man walks down an alley with no shirt on he must have it coming to him when a woman rapes him. Damn! Have you ever thought that maybe a woman might be wearing those clothes cause she just likes them despite men ogling her? And self control on the mens part is not the woman's fault. Men are responsible for their own actions. Women are not responsible for men who can't keep it in their pants.

[Illithar]

You cannot blame the victim. You can say that getting attacked is a forseeable consequence of dressing provectavely and then walking through a bad neighborhood, but the blame for the attack rests on the attacker. Only the attacker is responsible for his/her actions. The victim might be stupid, but that doesn't mean they "deserved" it.

[Greater Tyrol]

Bottom line: It's easy to be biologically a man, but hard to be worthy of that label. One of the most basic requirements is to be master over your own sexuality and know a time and place for it. Sure some girls dress in a way that it's impossible to tell the young woman on her night out from the prostitute around the next corner, but that's not an invitation. If one-night-stands is what floats your boat, I'm not one to tell you that you can't do that, but at least have the decency to buy her a drink before you chat her up.

[Ursitaea]

You can dress any way that you want. Doesn't mean it's okay for someone to force you to have sex with them.

[Greater Tyrol]

You cannot blame the victim. You can say that getting attacked is a forseeable consequence of dressing provectavely and then walking through a bad neighborhood, but the blame for the attack rests on the attacker. Only the attacker is responsible for his/her actions. The victim might be stupid, but that doesn't mean they "deserved" it.

Indeed, if we were going to blame the victim, where'd this be ending up? I can't see victims of robbery being given the blame because they had their wallet in their back pocket by any sane person; so that someone'd blame the girl for dressing provocatively in a rape case is pretty bad and the fact that some people actually do believe that the girl's been "asking for it" speaks of a very twisted approach to sexuality indeed.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How about, the victim doesn't cause rape, the rapist does? Women can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

This is such bollocks. Women have sex with men against their will how much compared to the opposite? It's simply not much of a factor.

So you're saying that men can't be raped by women? Excuse me while I laugh.

Although I personally think men can be raped by women, there has been some debate here about whether that is indeed possible.

Please tell me you're joking.

I wish I was. But no.

[The Norwegian Blue]

Do women ask to be sexually harrassed/assaulted?

No.

This has been another edition of Simple Answers to Stupid Questions.

[Muravyets]

You presume that the harasser knows his actions are being considered harassment.
So for the actor its attention for the receiver its harassment. Unlike you, I try to look at an issue from all three sides.

I read enough of your posts to know you would say a man shouldnt ogle a woman if she walked down the street naked.

Thanks for repeating exactly what I said-- There is never justification for Rape...because if you felt the need to say it again so to give the impression I suggested otherwise, well that would be typical of your disingenuous style.

Provocative is just that, Provocative.

1) Men shouldn't ogle women is just something you made up and wish you could attribute to me so you can attack that mindset, i.e. a strawman and not a valid line of argument.

2) If you've read enough of my posts to feel confident fantasizing that I "would" say things that are convenient for you to attack, did you not also read the part of my previous post where I described what constitutes harassment? If you had, then you would know that your crack about assuming the man knows his behavior is harassment is bullshit because by my statements harassment is a deliberate action, and nobody does things deliberately without knowing it.

3) The suggestion that I was implying that you tried to justify rape is not only insulting but also blatantly and stupidly false, as clearly evidenced by the content of the posts themselves.

Please do not waste my time with more such tripe, thanks.

[The Norwegian Blue]

No, these have no merit whatsoever. The idea of blaming the victim is idiotic.

1. Woman dresses provocatively (but she doesn't want to arouse men!)
2. Man can't help himself, decides to get verbal or touchy
3. IT'S THE MAN'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

That situation is equal to the following:

1. Offer cookie to dog (but you don't want the dog to eat the cookie!)
2. Dog can't help himself, decides to eat the cookie
3. IT'S THE DOG'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

What makes this even "funnier" (in a tragic sort of way) is that it is not at all difficult to train a dog not to eat cookies if you tell him "no." You are, in other words, saying that men are significantly less capable of self-control than dogs, and should not be held legally responsible for their own actions - and somehow, you think this moronic dreck is an argument. Given that I have yet to meet a single man who is less capable of learning simple concepts like "no" than a dog, one is forced to conclude that you may be basing your opinion on the relative capabilities of men and dogs solely on yourself. Are you trying to confess your deep shame about how you keep pissing on fire hydrants and eating your own poop?

[Intangelon]

While trying to avoid a stream of insults as much as possible:
1.) Blaming the victim of a crime, particularly a violent crime, is pretty disgusting.
2.) Sexual modesty is a repulsive religious concept that has no justified place anywhere outside the decrees of rabid Iranian mullahs, and should be rooted out even there. It certainly has no place in a country as allegedly free of theocratic rule as the United States.

The Gospel according to St. Carlin:

"Is there more rape at the equator or at the north pole? People think it's the equator because it's hot, people don't wear a lot of clothing, and there's a lot of fucking going on. Well, that's why there's less rape there - because there's a lot of fucking going on! Look at the population figures!

How many people we got near the north pole? Thirty? Thirty-five? Hell, they might not even SEE a woman for months on end, and if they are with someone, they get rejected a lot. "Hey, honey, maybe tonight?" "Are you insane? Have you seen the thermometer? The wind chill is fifty-five below!" So, the eskimo-types are sexually frustrated and every so often they bust out and rape somebody. Now the first problem an eskimo rapist has is the cold - shit, you pull out your cock in those temperatures and it'll shrivel up like a stack of dimes. The other problem is getting wet leather leggings off a woman who's kicking."

Yeah, we could outlaw religion and a lot of this nonsensical prudery would clear itself up in a generation or two, but we haven't got the patience for rational solutions.

[Chrobalta]

I have an idea. How about people just don't sexually harass/assault people period? What they are wearing is irrelevant.

[Wamitoria]

I have an idea. How about people just don't sexually harass/assault people period? What they are wearing is irrelevant.

But, they were dressing all pretty and I couldn't control my manly desires...

[The Norwegian Blue]

I have an idea. How about people just don't sexually harass/assault people period? What they are wearing is irrelevant.

It's crazy, but it just might work!

[Farnhamia]

I have an idea. How about people just don't sexually harass/assault people period? What they are wearing is irrelevant.

It's crazy, but it just might work!

It's just like Chief Justice Roberts (the law be ever with him!) says, the best way to end discrimination is to stop discriminating. We don't need laws against sexual harrassment or even rape, because someday, yea, even in the fullness of time, the harrassers and rapers will wither away and all men and women shall rejoice together, even as they repeal the last laws that bound human beings into opposing stances. *wipes away a tear* Oh, I hope I live to see that bright and shining day!

[United Dependencies]

Oh yea totally. Those filthy sluts got what was coming to them.

edit-dig the new flag.

[Geniasis]

That would just be vicious.

What, and molesting her is harmless?

1. Offer cookie to dog (but you don't want the dog to eat the cookie!)
2. Dog can't help himself, decides to eat the cookie
3. IT'S THE DOG'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

I've never had that issue before. Well, that's not true, I have that problem all the time with cookies.

I'm leaving this thread because, frankly, nobody is even TRYING to refute my points. Instead, they put their fingers in their ears and shout "LALALALALALA LULZ MEN ARE DOGS LOLOLOL!!!111!!!1" If anyone wishes to continue this discussion on an intellectual level, you know, the way grown-ups do it, then by all means, don't hesitate to send me a telegram. Now, I know several of you are going to reply to this post and say something among the lines of "SEE WE WERE RIGHT HE RAN OFF LOLOLOLOL POWER TO THE WIMMINZ", and by all means, if this makes you happy, do so. Just know that you still have a lot to learn when it comes to debating, critical thinking, and respecting one another.

Love and kisses

Irony: Top Score!

'Cause when I'm sitting on the train in 98 degree heat, sweating out the weight of a small child from the humidity, in a tank top and short shorts because I don't think my body can take a core temperature of 105 degrees for longer than 8 hours, absolutely the only thought running through my head is "damn I wish that guy staring down my shirt would grab my tits!"

HONK HONK!

...The more time that passes, the more I realize why I'm an involuntary celibate, and why that will likely never change. *sigh*

I approve of this "a touch for a touch" plan. Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

Sure, but the newsletter is mostly crap.

I can see this plan backfiring on me someday, though. There I'll be, telling a story to my co-workers, my hands as always gesticulating in assistance. Suddenly, I'll fling my hand behind me (to demonstrate the size of the fish I allegedly saw) and I accidentally brush my hand across the breasts of our secretary, whose constant endurance of sexual harassment has left her bitter and ill-tempered. Before I can explain how this was just a mistake...

BOOM! Punch to the balls.

[Ryadn]

Oooooh, I can't WAIT for Murv, Bottle, and Rydan to find this thread...

No, of course not. NO ONE wants to be so assaulted anymore than a guy in a muscle shirt and tight pants is obviously being asked to be raped by someone who is gay (Note, analogy people, don't read too much into it). It's insulting to even think so.

I WILL say that by dressing provocatively, she is asking for attention, but she is not asking for more than glances and needs nothing more than that without HER permission.

Too many sexist threads... need moar troops... *sigh*

[Ryadn]

No, these have no merit whatsoever. The idea of blaming the victim is idiotic.

1. Woman dresses provocatively (but she doesn't want to arouse men!)
2. Man can't help himself, decides to get verbal or touchy
3. IT'S THE MAN'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

That situation is equal to the following:

1. Offer cookie to dog (but you don't want the dog to eat the cookie!)
2. Dog can't help himself, decides to eat the cookie
3. IT'S THE DOG'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

Sure it is, except that people have what we like to call "self control" and women are not biscuits.

No indeed. I believe it was determined on the old Jolt boards that we're bacon and/or toasters.

[Farnhamia]

Oooooh, I can't WAIT for Murv, Bottle, and Rydan to find this thread...

No, of course not. NO ONE wants to be so assaulted anymore than a guy in a muscle shirt and tight pants is obviously being asked to be raped by someone who is gay (Note, analogy people, don't read too much into it). It's insulting to even think so.

I WILL say that by dressing provocatively, she is asking for attention, but she is not asking for more than glances and needs nothing more than that without HER permission.

Too many sexist threads... need moar troops... *sigh*

Someone say troops?

[Ryadn]

Now, if they dress like a skank and get raped in a church, then it's not their fault. If it happens in the wrong side of town, then yes, it is partially their own fault for dressing like a piece of meat.

You have to be kidding me.

Would you go into a tiger cage with steaks tied to your dick? Fuck no. Obviously, you can get raped in a church. I was just using it as an example that, given the circumstances, sometimes people need to think more. Just like if a woman harasses her husband for years on end and then he slaps her, she deserves it. It's not right to hit anyone, but sometimes the situation calls for action and not words. Sometimes being PC can get in the way of logical judgment of a situation.

Now men aren't dogs, they're tigers. And women are slabs of meat. Excellent.

If a woman "harasses" her husband, she deserves to be served divorce papers. "It's not right to hit anyone" full stop. Not "It's not right to hit anyone, but it's kind of right to hit a woman if she's being an annoying bitch."

[Zephie]

Oooooh, I can't WAIT for Murv, Bottle, and Rydan to find this thread...

No, of course not. NO ONE wants to be so assaulted anymore than a guy in a muscle shirt and tight pants is obviously being asked to be raped by someone who is gay (Note, analogy people, don't read too much into it). It's insulting to even think so.

I WILL say that by dressing provocatively, she is asking for attention, but she is not asking for more than glances and needs nothing more than that without HER permission.

Too many sexist threads... need moar troops... *sigh*

Someone say troops?

-raises white flag- I come in peace

[Farnhamia]

Oooooh, I can't WAIT for Murv, Bottle, and Rydan to find this thread...

No, of course not. NO ONE wants to be so assaulted anymore than a guy in a muscle shirt and tight pants is obviously being asked to be raped by someone who is gay (Note, analogy people, don't read too much into it). It's insulting to even think so.

I WILL say that by dressing provocatively, she is asking for attention, but she is not asking for more than glances and needs nothing more than that without HER permission.

Too many sexist threads... need moar troops... *sigh*

Someone say troops?

-raises white flag- I come in peace

Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention that we're not taking prisoners at this time. *motions to troops* Try not to make such a mess this time, girls, and bury him deeper, okay? We had complaints from the neighbors for weeks the last time.

[Geniasis]

Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention that we're not taking prisoners at this time. *motions to troops* Try not to make such a mess this time, girls, and bury him deeper, okay? We had complaints from the neighbors for weeks the last time.

Are any of them doing anything Saturday night? Cuz, there's this thing that I was gonna go to and I was just wondering if anyone wanted to go with me. Well, not with me with me, but y'know as like friends.

...

I'll, uh, just be going.

[The Norwegian Blue]

No, these have no merit whatsoever. The idea of blaming the victim is idiotic.

1. Woman dresses provocatively (but she doesn't want to arouse men!)
2. Man can't help himself, decides to get verbal or touchy
3. IT'S THE MAN'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

That situation is equal to the following:

1. Offer cookie to dog (but you don't want the dog to eat the cookie!)
2. Dog can't help himself, decides to eat the cookie
3. IT'S THE DOG'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

Sure it is, except that people have what we like to call "self control" and women are not biscuits.

No indeed. I believe it was determined on the old Jolt boards that we're bacon and/or toasters.

No, no, men are toasters. I think the logic (to the extent you can call it that) was "when you push the button on a toaster, it automatically gets hot, ergo, when you look sexy to a man, he automatically rapes you."

It was women = bacon, men = dogs who cannot resist bacon, sexy clothes = pushing button on toaster, men = appliances who are also dogs and who automatically rape bacon. How could you forget such a clear and sensible argument?

[Myroria]

Contrary to what some would have you think, men do not think with their penises. Men who assault women and use the excuse of "She was dressing like a slut" are a disgrace and perpetuate the idea of men as uncultured animals.