Do women ask to be sexually harrassed/assaulted?

[Rolamec]

Do you want honest debate or a series of angry insults?

B.

Hell yeah they do! They dress and act like sluts, they get drunk and sometimes they want it rough. Than if they are unhappy about it the next day, they yell rape and the guy is of course guilty without a doubt. I mean I am fortunate to say that has never happened to me, but I know some guys who got accused of it, until it was dropped. Unfortunately the damage was done.

[Tokos]

or he has to be inspired enough to commit the act.

This brings a whole new meaning to Susan McClary's denunciation of Beethoven's music as rapist.

[Illithar]

No, these have no merit whatsoever. The idea of blaming the victim is idiotic.

1. Woman dresses provocatively (but she doesn't want to arouse men!)
2. Man can't help himself, decides to get verbal or touchy
3. IT'S THE MAN'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

That situation is equal to the following:

1. Offer cookie to dog (but you don't want the dog to eat the cookie!)
2. Dog can't help himself, decides to eat the cookie
3. IT'S THE DOG'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

So men are dogs, not human beings capable of rational judgment and self control?

Apparently. Woof -scratches side with foot-

Woof. woof woof woof. ooh, pron. woof, woof.

women don't cause rape, men do.
but a man has to either be very sick and wrong, or he has to be inspired enough to commit the act.
alcohol and skin at close proximity will do it.

How about, the victim doesn't cause rape, the rapist does? Women can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

[Zephie]

No, these have no merit whatsoever. The idea of blaming the victim is idiotic.

1. Woman dresses provocatively (but she doesn't want to arouse men!)
2. Man can't help himself, decides to get verbal or touchy
3. IT'S THE MAN'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

That situation is equal to the following:

1. Offer cookie to dog (but you don't want the dog to eat the cookie!)
2. Dog can't help himself, decides to eat the cookie
3. IT'S THE DOG'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

So men are dogs, not human beings capable of rational judgment and self control?

Apparently. Woof -scratches side with foot-

Woof. woof woof woof. ooh, pron. woof, woof.

women don't cause rape, men do.
but a man has to either be very sick and wrong, or he has to be inspired enough to commit the act.
alcohol and skin at close proximity will do it.

How about, the victim doesn't cause rape, the rapist does? Women can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

But if he gets an erection, that means he wants it! /sarcasm

[Illithar]

No, these have no merit whatsoever. The idea of blaming the victim is idiotic.

1. Woman dresses provocatively (but she doesn't want to arouse men!)
2. Man can't help himself, decides to get verbal or touchy
3. IT'S THE MAN'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

That situation is equal to the following:

1. Offer cookie to dog (but you don't want the dog to eat the cookie!)
2. Dog can't help himself, decides to eat the cookie
3. IT'S THE DOG'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

So men are dogs, not human beings capable of rational judgment and self control?

Apparently. Woof -scratches side with foot-

Woof. woof woof woof. ooh, pron. woof, woof.

women don't cause rape, men do.
but a man has to either be very sick and wrong, or he has to be inspired enough to commit the act.
alcohol and skin at close proximity will do it.

How about, the victim doesn't cause rape, the rapist does? Women can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

But if he gets an erection, that means he wants it! /sarcasm

Just like she was clearly asking for it! /also sarcasm/

[UNIverseVERSE]

"Do women ask to be sexually harassed/assaulted?"

NO!

People dress and move and dance to be noticed, to be thought of as deserving of attention. No one asks to be assaulted.

Frankly, the question is not only absurd but also demonstrates a lack of basic empathy.

Precisely.

Not only that, but I can go out and dress and move and dance with the explicit and deliberate intention of finding someone to sex up. That doesn't mean the choice about who I have sex with is in the hands of anyone but me. And specifically, just because I've gone out and am dancing sexily with people, no-one else can take that as justification to have sex with me if I don't want them to. What they are doing is rape, plain and simple.

[Tokos]

How about, the victim doesn't cause rape, the rapist does? Women can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

This is such bollocks. Women have sex with men against their will how much compared to the opposite? It's simply not much of a factor.

[Norstal]

How about, the victim doesn't cause rape, the rapist does? Women can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

This is such bollocks. Women have sex with men against their will how much compared to the opposite? It's simply not much of a factor.

So its ok for women to rape men? Please tell me you aren't a lawyer.

[Illithar]

How about, the victim doesn't cause rape, the rapist does? Women can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

This is such bollocks. Women have sex with men against their will how much compared to the opposite? It's simply not much of a factor.

So you're saying that men can't be raped by women? Excuse me while I laugh.

[Tokos]

So its ok for women to rape men? Please tell me you aren't a lawyer.

Women can't rape men just as easily as men rape women, and in fact don't, and it's not something that enters the minds of the overwhelming majority of women. Which has nothing to do with whether it's okay or not.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How about, the victim doesn't cause rape, the rapist does? Women can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

This is such bollocks. Women have sex with men against their will how much compared to the opposite? It's simply not much of a factor.

So you're saying that men can't be raped by women? Excuse me while I laugh.

Although I personally think men can be raped by women, there has been some debate here about whether that is indeed possible.

[Norstal]

So its ok for women to rape men? Please tell me you aren't a lawyer.

Women can't rape men just as easily as men rape women, and in fact don't, and it's not something that enters the minds of the overwhelming majority of women. Which has nothing to do with whether it's okay or not.

True that women don't have that mindset, but women can rape men as easily too. Perhaps not with force and it isn't hard for women to touch a guy's penis.

[Zephie]

How about, the victim doesn't cause rape, the rapist does? Women can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

This is such bollocks. Women have sex with men against their will how much compared to the opposite? It's simply not much of a factor.

What do the # of rapes on each side matter?

[Thevenin]

Only Partially. You should have the freedom to wear, say and act any way you wish without fear of danger. But this is the real world, and things happen. Now, if they dress like a skank and get raped in a church, then it's not their fault. If it happens in the wrong side of town, then yes, it is partially their own fault for dressing like a piece of meat. I blame the media

[Yootwopia]

Now, if they dress like a skank and get raped in a church, then it's not their fault. If it happens in the wrong side of town, then yes, it is partially their own fault for dressing like a piece of meat.

You have to be kidding me.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Yes. Haven't you seen the signs hanging around there necks?

[Illithar]

How about, the victim doesn't cause rape, the rapist does? Women can rape men just as easily as men can rape women.

This is such bollocks. Women have sex with men against their will how much compared to the opposite? It's simply not much of a factor.

So you're saying that men can't be raped by women? Excuse me while I laugh.

Although I personally think men can be raped by women, there has been some debate here about whether that is indeed possible.

Please tell me you're joking.

[Yootwopia]

Although I personally think men can be raped by women, there has been some debate here about whether that is indeed possible.

Yes it can and does happen, there we go.

[Zephie]

Now, if they dress like a skank and get raped in a church, then it's not their fault. If it happens in the wrong side of town, then yes, it is partially their own fault for dressing like a piece of meat.

You have to be kidding me.

What don't you understand about his poorly executed idea? If you walk into a bad neighborhood, you are asking for trouble, even if you aren't a woman that is dressed provocatively. You could just be a normal every day guy, walking through a town with a high crime rate, and you get mugged. Then your friends might say after the mugging "Damn bob, you should have known better. That town is full of muggers." Obviously he doesn't DESERVE the crime, but he set the conditions for having a crime committed against him. It's like saying It's not any fault of my own for knowingly walking into a lion's den and getting my face bit off.

[Thevenin]

Now, if they dress like a skank and get raped in a church, then it's not their fault. If it happens in the wrong side of town, then yes, it is partially their own fault for dressing like a piece of meat.

You have to be kidding me.

Would you go into a tiger cage with steaks tied to your dick? Fuck no. Obviously, you can get raped in a church. I was just using it as an example that, given the circumstances, sometimes people need to think more. Just like if a woman harasses her husband for years on end and then he slaps her, she deserves it. It's not right to hit anyone, but sometimes the situation calls for action and not words. Sometimes being PC can get in the way of logical judgment of a situation.

[Illithar]

Now, if they dress like a skank and get raped in a church, then it's not their fault. If it happens in the wrong side of town, then yes, it is partially their own fault for dressing like a piece of meat.

You have to be kidding me.

Would you go into a tiger cage with steaks tied to your dick? Fuck no. Obviously, you can get raped in a church. I was just using it as an example that, given the circumstances, sometimes people need to think more. Just like if a woman harasses her husband for years on end and then he slaps her, she deserves it. It's not right to hit anyone, but sometimes the situation calls for action and not words. Sometimes being PC can get in the way of logical judgment of a situation.

She doesn't desrve to get slapped. Perhaps what you mean to say is that getting slapped is a forseeable event given the enviroment and her actions, but she doesn't deserve to be hit. Let me put it another way:

Abuse is Bad

[Yootwopia]

Now, if they dress like a skank and get raped in a church, then it's not their fault. If it happens in the wrong side of town, then yes, it is partially their own fault for dressing like a piece of meat.

You have to be kidding me.

Would you go into a tiger cage with steaks tied to your dick? Fuck no. Obviously, you can get raped in a church. I was just using it as an example that, given the circumstances, sometimes people need to think more. Just like if a woman harasses her husband for years on end and then he slaps her, she deserves it. It's not right to hit anyone, but sometimes the situation calls for action and not words. Sometimes being PC can get in the way of logical judgment of a situation.

*sigh*

[Siseil Alanur]

If the men who harass them didn't behave inappropriately, they wouldn't be harassed. What a concept!

This. Just this. Why would women want to be sexually harassed or assaulted?

[Zephie]

If the men who harass them didn't behave inappropriately, they wouldn't be harassed. What a concept!

This. Just this. Why would women want to be sexually harassed or assaulted?

They wouldn't. A lot of people are taking the thread title TOO literally. The "asking for" thing is almost a figure of speech. The main idea of the thread is if women are attracting men who harass/assault by the way they dress.

[Thevenin]

Perhaps i was a little too upfront in my last posts, but say what you will, i still think you can lay part of the blame on the victim in certain situations. Obviously being attacked at work while wearing normal clothes isn't one of them. If you wear a skirt halfway up your bum and a tube top with no bra into a dark alley, then maybe you are asking for it. And while i would never wish it upon anyone, and i would still feel bad about the matter, i would still feel that things could be avoided.