Do women ask to be sexually harrassed/assaulted?

[Nort Eurasia]

They're obviously asking for it...

[Muravyets]

You read the question, allow me to elaborate.

It is the thought of many that younger girls who dress scantily and provocatively are inviting harrassment and other unwanted contact upon them. In other words, if the girls didn't dress this way, they wouldn't find themself in that predicament. The same could also be said about their carriage, if them acted decently, modestly, no unwanted contact would be thrust upon them either.

Thoughts NSG? I reckon these theories have merit, but certainly aren't the answer.

1. What do you mean by "younger"? Given the level of open pedophilia on General that question is asked in total seriousness.

2. Harassment and Contact are not synonymous.
Yes I believe many women invite:looking, cat calling, and attention.
I also believe there is only one way to invite "Contact" and that is to actually consensually invite it, no manner of dress or projected attitude is an invitation for anyone to reach out and touch a woman. If by some chance you have misread the signals then once its made clear---you misread the signals, move the fuck on.

As to this nonsense about rational judgment--its completely rational to give attention to provocatively clad women. it not rational to act and dress in a way that draws attention then be abashed when it is received.

But we cant just paw someone over unless we KNOW we've been invited to do so, and if it turns that invitation wasn't real...deal with it and move the fuck on.

There is never justification for rape. And if people equate the words "attention" and "harassment" with rape then you need serious mental help. Since you clearly think unwanted attention or bad manners is far worse a thing then what it is, or you think rape much less horrible then what it is either way--youre sick in the head.

On a side note, in everything I have read on the subject- provocative dress isnt a common denominator for rape victims. So no, rapists look for victims not sluts--they arent asking they are taking. Normal horny guys look for sluts, because regardless of bad manners they are still ultimately ASKING.

Um... Rape and harassment are, indeed, two different things. However, and I'd like to emphasize this, attention and harassment are two different things, too.

There is never any justification for rape.

Likewise there is never any justification for harassment. There is never any situation in which it can be legitimately argued that person A was justified in intimidating, bothering, threatening/menacing, humiliating, etc. person B repeatedly in a targeted campaign against them with the intention of making them miserable or otherwise harming them personally and socially, i.e. harassing them.

[Skibereen]

You presume that the harasser knows his actions are being considered harassment.
So for the actor its attention for the receiver its harassment. Unlike you, I try to look at an issue from all three sides.

I read enough of your posts to know you would say a man shouldnt ogle a woman if she walked down the street naked.

Thanks for repeating exactly what I said-- There is never justification for Rape...because if you felt the need to say it again so to give the impression I suggested otherwise, well that would be typical of your disingenuous style.

Provocative is just that, Provocative.

[Great Nepal]

Some womans do dress too provocatively and calls for the harassment herself - but I dont say they deserve rape or something like it - but if she calls for harassment herself, she gets it. There is a difference from fashion and provocative behavior or provocative dress.

I absolutely agree.

'Cause when I'm sitting on the train in 98 degree heat, sweating out the weight of a small child from the humidity, in a tank top and short shorts because I don't think my body can take a core temperature of 105 degrees for longer than 8 hours, absolutely the only thought running through my head is "damn I wish that guy staring down my shirt would grab my tits!"

105 degrees? Are you from earth or mercury?

Fahrenheit. Still a bit high, though, unless one was to have a fever.

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress:-

(Ignore face mask)

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No, women do not ask to be harassed or assaulted. No matter what sick views some people may have, no, women do not ask to be sexually assaulted or harassed.

[Yootwopia]

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress

Yeah, the top one is much nicer.

[Farnhamia]

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress

Yeah, the top one is much nicer.

Well, depends on your mood, but I do rather like the top one.

[Skibereen]

Some womans do dress too provocatively and calls for the harassment herself - but I dont say they deserve rape or something like it - but if she calls for harassment herself, she gets it. There is a difference from fashion and provocative behavior or provocative dress.

I absolutely agree.

'Cause when I'm sitting on the train in 98 degree heat, sweating out the weight of a small child from the humidity, in a tank top and short shorts because I don't think my body can take a core temperature of 105 degrees for longer than 8 hours, absolutely the only thought running through my head is "damn I wish that guy staring down my shirt would grab my tits!"

105 degrees? Are you from earth or mercury?

Fahrenheit. Still a bit high, though, unless one was to have a fever.

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress:-

(Ignore face mask)

One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit...wtf where the hell do you live.

Yeah, I would harass them both, with laughter.

[Great Nepal]

Some womans do dress too provocatively and calls for the harassment herself - but I dont say they deserve rape or something like it - but if she calls for harassment herself, she gets it. There is a difference from fashion and provocative behavior or provocative dress.

I absolutely agree.

'Cause when I'm sitting on the train in 98 degree heat, sweating out the weight of a small child from the humidity, in a tank top and short shorts because I don't think my body can take a core temperature of 105 degrees for longer than 8 hours, absolutely the only thought running through my head is "damn I wish that guy staring down my shirt would grab my tits!"

105 degrees? Are you from earth or mercury?

Fahrenheit. Still a bit high, though, unless one was to have a fever.

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress:-

(Ignore face mask)

One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit...wtf where the hell do you live.

Yeah, I would harass them both, with laughter.

Okay One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit but that was the pictures I could find in Google in less than 1 minute. If person 2 goes out in train, she deserves to be harrassed (not raped) but not the same for person1.

[Farnhamia]

Some womans do dress too provocatively and calls for the harassment herself - but I dont say they deserve rape or something like it - but if she calls for harassment herself, she gets it. There is a difference from fashion and provocative behavior or provocative dress.

I absolutely agree.

'Cause when I'm sitting on the train in 98 degree heat, sweating out the weight of a small child from the humidity, in a tank top and short shorts because I don't think my body can take a core temperature of 105 degrees for longer than 8 hours, absolutely the only thought running through my head is "damn I wish that guy staring down my shirt would grab my tits!"

105 degrees? Are you from earth or mercury?

Fahrenheit. Still a bit high, though, unless one was to have a fever.

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress:-

(Ignore face mask)

One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit...wtf where the hell do you live.

Yeah, I would harass them both, with laughter.

Okay One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit but that was the pictures I could find in Google in less than 1 minute. If person 2 goes out in train, she deserves to be harrassed (not raped) but not the same for person1.

Why does she deserve harrassment? She deserves a lecture on her choice of attire, but harrassment?

[Waterlow]

"Deserves to be harrassed"? Fascinating...

It's unfortunate that you seem so keen for someone committing no harmful act to be punished by another behaving like a twat.

[Great Nepal]

Some womans do dress too provocatively and calls for the harassment herself - but I dont say they deserve rape or something like it - but if she calls for harassment herself, she gets it. There is a difference from fashion and provocative behavior or provocative dress.

I absolutely agree.

'Cause when I'm sitting on the train in 98 degree heat, sweating out the weight of a small child from the humidity, in a tank top and short shorts because I don't think my body can take a core temperature of 105 degrees for longer than 8 hours, absolutely the only thought running through my head is "damn I wish that guy staring down my shirt would grab my tits!"

105 degrees? Are you from earth or mercury?

Fahrenheit. Still a bit high, though, unless one was to have a fever.

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress:-

(Ignore face mask)

One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit...wtf where the hell do you live.

Yeah, I would harass them both, with laughter.

Okay One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit but that was the pictures I could find in Google in less than 1 minute. If person 2 goes out in train, she deserves to be harrassed (not raped) but not the same for person1.

Why does she deserve harrassment? She deserves a lecture on her choice of attire, but harrassment?

Because she shouldn't have gone out in such dress esp. knowing that world isn't utopia.

[Illithar]

Some womans do dress too provocatively and calls for the harassment herself - but I dont say they deserve rape or something like it - but if she calls for harassment herself, she gets it. There is a difference from fashion and provocative behavior or provocative dress.

I absolutely agree.

'Cause when I'm sitting on the train in 98 degree heat, sweating out the weight of a small child from the humidity, in a tank top and short shorts because I don't think my body can take a core temperature of 105 degrees for longer than 8 hours, absolutely the only thought running through my head is "damn I wish that guy staring down my shirt would grab my tits!"

105 degrees? Are you from earth or mercury?

Fahrenheit. Still a bit high, though, unless one was to have a fever.

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress:-

(Ignore face mask)

One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit...wtf where the hell do you live.

Yeah, I would harass them both, with laughter.

Okay One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit but that was the pictures I could find in Google in less than 1 minute. If person 2 goes out in train, she deserves to be harrassed (not raped) but not the same for person1.

Why does she deserve harrassment? She deserves a lecture on her choice of attire, but harrassment?

Because she shouldn't have gone out in such dress esp. knowing that world isn't utopia.

She doesn't deserve to be harrassed. She shouldn't get offended if people ogle her, but no one deserves harassment.

[UNIverseVERSE]

Because she shouldn't have gone out in such dress esp. knowing that world isn't utopia.

How does that equate to deserving harassment? If my friend Z. goes out in a dress and someone twigs that she's trans and abuses her for it, does that mean she shouldn't have done so?

[Yootwopia]

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress

Yeah, the top one is much nicer.

Well, depends on your mood, but I do rather like the top one.

The bottom one just says "days out on the beach with the FARC" to me. Just sayin'.

[Skibereen]

Some womans do dress too provocatively and calls for the harassment herself - but I dont say they deserve rape or something like it - but if she calls for harassment herself, she gets it. There is a difference from fashion and provocative behavior or provocative dress.

I absolutely agree.

'Cause when I'm sitting on the train in 98 degree heat, sweating out the weight of a small child from the humidity, in a tank top and short shorts because I don't think my body can take a core temperature of 105 degrees for longer than 8 hours, absolutely the only thought running through my head is "damn I wish that guy staring down my shirt would grab my tits!"

105 degrees? Are you from earth or mercury?

Fahrenheit. Still a bit high, though, unless one was to have a fever.

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress:-

(Ignore face mask)

One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit...wtf where the hell do you live.

Yeah, I would harass them both, with laughter.

Okay One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit but that was the pictures I could find in Google in less than 1 minute. If person 2 goes out in train, she deserves to be harrassed (not raped) but not the same for person1.

WHOA- deserves? So if she goes on a train in bathing suit she deserves to be harrassed? Why?
Why anymore then the broad in the nightgown...both would look equal parts slut and retard sitting on train dressed either way.
A nightgown in come-fuckme pumps or a Bond-girlesque bathing suit.

Im laughing at them, that is the harassment they are getting, then I am calling the police because clearly they need help.

No one DESERVES to be harassed baring people guilty of delivering unwanted harassment.
I will admit if they are rational and leave the house to hop on a train across the city in those outfits they should certainly EXPECT to be harassed. But that doesnt mean they deserve it.

[Great Nepal]

Some womans do dress too provocatively and calls for the harassment herself - but I dont say they deserve rape or something like it - but if she calls for harassment herself, she gets it. There is a difference from fashion and provocative behavior or provocative dress.

I absolutely agree.

'Cause when I'm sitting on the train in 98 degree heat, sweating out the weight of a small child from the humidity, in a tank top and short shorts because I don't think my body can take a core temperature of 105 degrees for longer than 8 hours, absolutely the only thought running through my head is "damn I wish that guy staring down my shirt would grab my tits!"

105 degrees? Are you from earth or mercury?

Fahrenheit. Still a bit high, though, unless one was to have a fever.

Okay even if 105 degree Fahrenheit - there is difference between following two type of dress:-

(Ignore face mask)

One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit...wtf where the hell do you live.

Yeah, I would harass them both, with laughter.

Okay One is a nightgown and the other is bathing suit but that was the pictures I could find in Google in less than 1 minute. If person 2 goes out in train, she deserves to be harrassed (not raped) but not the same for person1.

WHOA- deserves? So if she goes on a train in bathing suit she deserves to be harrassed? Why?
Why anymore then the broad in the nightgown...both would look equal parts slut and retard sitting on train dressed either way.
A nightgown in come-fuckme pumps or a Bond-girlesque bathing suit.

Im laughing at them, that is the harassment they are getting, then I am calling the police because clearly they need help.

No one DESERVES to be harassed baring people guilty of delivering unwanted harassment.
I will admit if they are rational and leave the house to hop on a train across the city in those outfits they should certainly EXPECT to be harassed. But that doesnt mean they deserve it.

Sorry for my use of word "Deserves" but if they get harrassed for going to train wearing pic. 2, its there fault.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Because she shouldn't have gone out in such dress esp. knowing that world isn't utopia.

Whatever her choice of clothing, she doesn't deserve to be harassed. Your suggestion is... troubling.

[Dimoniquid]

Because she shouldn't have gone out in such dress esp. knowing that world isn't utopia.

Whatever her choice of clothing, she doesn't deserve to be harassed. Your suggestion is... troubling.

Fight the powah!

[Tokos]

Harassing women for overstepping whatever the harasser sees as social bounds, is nothing to do with self-control. It's a decision taken by the harasser.

[Illithar]

Because she shouldn't have gone out in such dress esp. knowing that world isn't utopia.

Whatever her choice of clothing, she doesn't deserve to be harassed. Your suggestion is... troubling.

Everything about Great Nepal is troubling.

[Zephie]

Ok, I think there's a lot of misunderstanding. Like my first post, obviously I don't believe it's a woman's fault for being harassed by degenerate men. No one deserves that. The argument I think some people are making is, the woman is asking for trouble by dressing (for lack of a better word) provocatively. It doesn't mean she deserves it. For example, if you park a nice car in a bad neighborhood, it can be said you are asking to get your car stolen. If you walk through a black neighborhood wearing a KKK gown, it could be said you are asking to get beat. If you wear a shirt that has a giant swastika on the back, obviously, you are asking for trouble. So basically what I'm trying to say is that maybe they are trying to express the idea that it attracts the criminals more.

Let's put it in another perspective. A group of criminals are out looking for someone to rob. They spot a man walking alone in a business suit. They discriminate by the way he dresses, that he has a lot of money, so they choose to kidnap him and force him to give them money from his bank account. Chances are, if he's wearing mismatched dirty clothing, it wouldn't be worth going through all that trouble to get 5 bucks. With the woman, wearing less shows more of her attractiveness (if she's attractive) So she is more desirable for criminals.

[DMistan]

"Do women ask to be sexually harassed/assaulted?"

NO!

People dress and move and dance to be noticed, to be thought of as deserving of attention. No one asks to be assaulted.

Frankly, the question is not only absurd but also demonstrates a lack of basic empathy.

[Norstal]

Ok, I think there's a lot of misunderstanding. Like my first post, obviously I don't believe it's a woman's fault for being harassed by degenerate men. No one deserves that. The argument I think some people are making is, the woman is asking for trouble by dressing (for lack of a better word) provocatively. It doesn't mean she deserves it. For example, if you park a nice car in a bad neighborhood, it can be said you are asking to get your car stolen. If you walk through a black neighborhood wearing a KKK gown, it could be said you are asking to get beat. If you wear a shirt that has a giant swastika on the back, obviously, you are asking for trouble. So basically what I'm trying to say is that maybe they are trying to express the idea that it attracts the criminals more.

Let's put it in another perspective. A group of criminals are out looking for someone to rob. They spot a man walking alone in a business suit. They discriminate by the way he dresses, that he has a lot of money, so they choose to kidnap him and force him to give them money from his bank account. Chances are, if he's wearing misfit clothing, it wouldn't be worth going through all that trouble to get 5 bucks. With the woman, wearing less shows more of her attractiveness (if she's attractive) So she is more desirable for criminals.

[Drozjeck]

No, these have no merit whatsoever. The idea of blaming the victim is idiotic.

1. Woman dresses provocatively (but she doesn't want to arouse men!)
2. Man can't help himself, decides to get verbal or touchy
3. IT'S THE MAN'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

That situation is equal to the following:

1. Offer cookie to dog (but you don't want the dog to eat the cookie!)
2. Dog can't help himself, decides to eat the cookie
3. IT'S THE DOG'S FAULT! ARREST HIM!

So men are dogs, not human beings capable of rational judgment and self control?

Apparently. Woof -scratches side with foot-

Woof. woof woof woof. ooh, pron. woof, woof.

women don't cause rape, men do.
but a man has to either be very sick and wrong, or he has to be inspired enough to commit the act.
alcohol and skin at close proximity will do it.