Taxation is Coercion

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

That I don't use/need.

Like roads, schools, police, national defense, Social Security, Medicare, cheap birthday balloons, etc.

Half of those the private sector would provide better for much cheaper, and half of those I don't want like social security or medicare.

Really? You want to start pointing them out so I can tell you you are wrong?
Sure, you don't want SS or Medicare now. Wait until you are 70 with a fixed income and an assload or pre-existing medical problems and taking five $400 a pill medications.

[Sibirsky]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

So you would not mind of I robbed you and left you some food? I promise the food will not be contaminated and will be perfectly suitable for human consumption.

Ok sure, I'll leave $5 out for you and await my pancakes.

For $5 I will leave you a pack of gum. If you want actual food, to last, say a week you will need to leave at least $50. I will make sure to include pancakes since you asked for them specifically.

[Bendira]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

That I don't use/need.

Like roads, schools, police, national defense, Social Security, Medicare, cheap birthday balloons, etc.

Half of those the private sector would provide better for much cheaper, and half of those I don't want like social security or medicare.

Really? You want to start pointing them out so I can tell you you are wrong?
Sure, you don't want SS or Medicare now. Wait until you are 70 with a fixed income and an assload or pre-existing medical problems and taking five $400 a pill medications.

The only reason I don't have the money to afford those things in the first place is because my income is going to the government in the form of taxation, that is enforced by violent coersion.

[Sibirsky]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

That I don't use/need.

Like roads, schools, police, national defense, Social Security, Medicare, cheap birthday balloons, etc.

Like invasions, corporate welfare, bailouts, planes for the Pentagon that it doesn't want, ridiculous research studies...

Cheap birthday balloons? What the fuck? I never got balloons.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

So you would not mind of I robbed you and left you some food? I promise the food will not be contaminated and will be perfectly suitable for human consumption.

Ok sure, I'll leave $5 out for you and await my pancakes.

For $5 I will leave you a pack of gum. If you want actual food, to last, say a week you will need to leave at least $50. I will make sure to include pancakes since you asked for them specifically.

Since you are being absurd again, I am sure you can provide me facts and numbers that show that the amount paid in taxes is 10x what it would cost for the services provided.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

That I don't use/need.

Like roads, schools, police, national defense, Social Security, Medicare, cheap birthday balloons, etc.

Half of those the private sector would provide better for much cheaper, and half of those I don't want like social security or medicare.

Really? You want to start pointing them out so I can tell you you are wrong?
Sure, you don't want SS or Medicare now. Wait until you are 70 with a fixed income and an assload or pre-existing medical problems and taking five $400 a pill medications.

The only reason I don't have the money to afford those things in the first place is because my income is going to the government in the form of taxation, that is enforced by violent coersion.

It's like talking to a brickwall in circles.

[Sibirsky]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

That I don't use/need.

Like roads, schools, police, national defense, Social Security, Medicare, cheap birthday balloons, etc.

Half of those the private sector would provide better for much cheaper, and half of those I don't want like social security or medicare.

Really? You want to start pointing them out so I can tell you you are wrong?
Sure, you don't want SS or Medicare now. Wait until you are 70 with a fixed income and an assload or pre-existing medical problems and taking five $400 a pill medications.

By the time Bendira is 70 years old Social Security will not exist. The program is unsustainable.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Like invasions, corporate welfare, bailouts, planes for the Pentagon that it doesn't want, ridiculous research studies...

Funny. Full half of those are the result of the "smaller government" party.

Cheap birthday balloons? What the fuck? I never got balloons.

That's your own god damn problem.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

That I don't use/need.

Like roads, schools, police, national defense, Social Security, Medicare, cheap birthday balloons, etc.

Half of those the private sector would provide better for much cheaper, and half of those I don't want like social security or medicare.

Really? You want to start pointing them out so I can tell you you are wrong?
Sure, you don't want SS or Medicare now. Wait until you are 70 with a fixed income and an assload or pre-existing medical problems and taking five $400 a pill medications.

By the time Bendira is 70 years old Social Security will not exist. The program is unsustainable.

I demand you read me the numbers of the next lotto in every state that has a lotto.

[Bendira]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

That I don't use/need.

Like roads, schools, police, national defense, Social Security, Medicare, cheap birthday balloons, etc.

Half of those the private sector would provide better for much cheaper, and half of those I don't want like social security or medicare.

Really? You want to start pointing them out so I can tell you you are wrong?
Sure, you don't want SS or Medicare now. Wait until you are 70 with a fixed income and an assload or pre-existing medical problems and taking five $400 a pill medications.

The only reason I don't have the money to afford those things in the first place is because my income is going to the government in the form of taxation, that is enforced by violent coersion.

It's like talking to a brickwall in circles.

Well continue the circle, because I get the impessionthe circle has just come to an end since you have no rebuttal to offer.

[Sibirsky]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

So you would not mind of I robbed you and left you some food? I promise the food will not be contaminated and will be perfectly suitable for human consumption.

Ok sure, I'll leave $5 out for you and await my pancakes.

For $5 I will leave you a pack of gum. If you want actual food, to last, say a week you will need to leave at least $50. I will make sure to include pancakes since you asked for them specifically.

Since you are being absurd again, I am sure you can provide me facts and numbers that show that the amount paid in taxes is 10x what it would cost for the services provided.

A. Public sector employees make significantly more than private sector employees. B. Transfer programs are filled with fraud.

[Sibirsky]

Like invasions, corporate welfare, bailouts, planes for the Pentagon that it doesn't want, ridiculous research studies...

Funny. Full half of those are the result of the "smaller government" party.

So you think I'm a Republican?

Cheap birthday balloons? What the fuck? I never got balloons.

That's your own god damn problem.

Not if my taxes paid for them.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

A. Public sector employees make significantly more than private sector employees. B. Transfer programs are filled with fraud.

A. I presume you have useless research studies to prove that public sector employees on average make more than private sector employees doing the same jobs,
B. Congratulations. You identified fraud. Next you will tell me private industry doesn't have it. And if I question it, you will say it is because of strict regulation [by the government]

[MisanthropicPopulism]

So you think I'm a Republican?

I think you are a delusional corporatist.

Not if my taxes paid for them.

Not my fault you never bought any artificially cheap balloons.

[Sibirsky]

Damn government always stealing my money... and then using it to provide me services...

That I don't use/need.

Like roads, schools, police, national defense, Social Security, Medicare, cheap birthday balloons, etc.

Half of those the private sector would provide better for much cheaper, and half of those I don't want like social security or medicare.

Really? You want to start pointing them out so I can tell you you are wrong?
Sure, you don't want SS or Medicare now. Wait until you are 70 with a fixed income and an assload or pre-existing medical problems and taking five $400 a pill medications.

By the time Bendira is 70 years old Social Security will not exist. The program is unsustainable.

I demand you read me the numbers of the next lotto in every state that has a lotto.

Believe it or not, certain events are very easy to foresee. It sucks that the lotto numbers being drawn are not some of those events.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Well continue the circle, because I get the impessionthe circle has just come to an end since you have no rebuttal to offer.

So you are saying that you, personally, can get cheaper drugs than the government negotiating as an entity representing millions of people?

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Believe it or not, certain events are very easy to foresee. It sucks that the lotto numbers being drawn are not some of those events.

"Make some shit up" and "reasonably prove will happen" can both be substituted for "foresee." Your move.

[Bendira]

Well continue the circle, because I get the impessionthe circle has just come to an end since you have no rebuttal to offer.

So you are saying that you, personally, can get cheaper drugs than the government negotiating as an entity representing millions of people?

Are you talking about drug prices specifically?

[Bendira]

Believe it or not, certain events are very easy to foresee. It sucks that the lotto numbers being drawn are not some of those events.

"Make some shit up" and "reasonably prove will happen" can both be substituted for "foresee." Your move.

Theres slightly more evidence to suggest that the social security ponzi scheme will come to an end, then, say, a totally random guess about lotto numbers.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Well continue the circle, because I get the impessionthe circle has just come to an end since you have no rebuttal to offer.

So you are saying that you, personally, can get cheaper drugs than the government negotiating as an entity representing millions of people?

Are you talking about drug prices specifically?

Considering that was a full half of what you were saying you would have the money for, yes.

[Sibirsky]

A. Public sector employees make significantly more than private sector employees. B. Transfer programs are filled with fraud.

A. I presume you have useless research studies to prove that public sector employees on average make more than private sector employees doing the same jobs,
B. Congratulations. You identified fraud. Next you will tell me private industry doesn't have it. And if I question it, you will say it is because of strict regulation [by the government]

How the fuck are they useless?

Accountants, nurses, chemists, surveyors, cooks, clerks and janitors are among the wide range of jobs that get paid more on average in the federal government than in the private sector.

Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.

These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/201 ... -pay_N.htm
A total of $108,476 compared to $69,928. Paid for with taxes paid by the ones earnings less.

The private sector has less fraud, because they have a profit motive. Estimates for Medicare fraud is about 12%. With margins in single digits, that is simply not possible.

[Bendira]

Well continue the circle, because I get the impessionthe circle has just come to an end since you have no rebuttal to offer.

So you are saying that you, personally, can get cheaper drugs than the government negotiating as an entity representing millions of people?

Are you talking about drug prices specifically?

Considering that was a full half of what you were saying you would have the money for, yes.

In a free market, millions of people already are negotiating with every business that provides a needed service. And more efficiently than any government could.

[Sibirsky]

So you think I'm a Republican?

I think you are a delusional corporatist.

[Sibirsky]

Believe it or not, certain events are very easy to foresee. It sucks that the lotto numbers being drawn are not some of those events.

"Make some shit up" and "reasonably prove will happen" can both be substituted for "foresee." Your move.

It's called demographics. When Social Security was started 5 employees paid taxes for 1 retiree. That number has dropped to 3. It's expected to continue to drop to 2 to 1, or even 1.5 to 1 as people live longer, and have fewer kids.

[Bendira]

I think you are a delusional corporatist.

Technically your the dillusional corporatist, because you are defending a massive corrupt corporate monopoly.