LGBT extremists shamelessly cause a scene at a Target store.

[Blouman Empire]

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[DaWoad]

There is no good argument for it.

Premise 1: equality before the law is important
Premise 2: separate laws to govern separate groups are not equal
Premise 3: Some people have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to
Conclusion: Everyone should have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to.

[New Chalcedon]

Okay. As long as you realize that no one cares what you think.

I mean, hearhere, on the internets? Where people are bored and enjoy having pointless arguments with particularly unsavory brick walls? Sure, maybe someone cares what you think, at least enough to debate it. But the real world? It's going on without you, and same-sex marriage is extent and spreading, and as it's unlikely to physically kill you (unless you have a really dodgy heart and all that vitriol and anxiety puts a real strain on it), it looks like you're going to have to live with the existence of government-recognized same-sex marriage.

Have a nice day, and please, shop at the United States of America again.

That's very arrogant to say it's going to spread and that I have to live with it. I will just not send my children to public school then if they are going to teach them it's okay to be homosexual.

You're right, and I'm sorry. You don't HAVE to live with it. You could move to another country. I hear there are still a bunch out there that "protect traditional marriage". Maybe Saudi Arabia is the right choice for you!

And that's probably a good call on public school. I can attest that I, as an educator of young children, have never shamed any of my students with same-sex parents and condemned their disgusting sinfulness (or, wait, am I condemning them for being a tax burden? or are they just gross? I get confused). I've never told any of them that their religion is wrong, either, or that they're not as good as other people because some of them aren't citizens. It's a socialist hotbed, public education, I promise you. Radical ideas! Spherical earth theories! Literacy!

Well, I understand that Saudi Arabia's form of marriage recognition is based on that definition from BC: you know, multiple wives, wife-beating, marital rape etc. Still, if you want the "eternal, unchanging definition of marriage", they do fiarly well for lengevity.

As to condemning kids of same-sex parents, haven't you read the memo? You're supposed to condemn them for everything since the Fall of Man, logic irrespective. Anything less than that is liberal indoctrination.

[Zephie]

There is no good argument for it.

Premise 1: equality before the law is important
Premise 2: separate laws to govern separate groups are not equal
Premise 3: Some people have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to
Conclusion: Everyone should have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to.

Why should everyone be able to marry the same sex?

[DaWoad]

Okay. As long as you realize that no one cares what you think.

I mean, hearhere, on the internets? Where people are bored and enjoy having pointless arguments with particularly unsavory brick walls? Sure, maybe someone cares what you think, at least enough to debate it. But the real world? It's going on without you, and same-sex marriage is extent and spreading, and as it's unlikely to physically kill you (unless you have a really dodgy heart and all that vitriol and anxiety puts a real strain on it), it looks like you're going to have to live with the existence of government-recognized same-sex marriage.

Have a nice day, and please, shop at the United States of America again.

That's very arrogant to say it's going to spread and that I have to live with it. I will just not send my children to public school then if they are going to teach them it's okay to be homosexual.

You're right, and I'm sorry. You don't HAVE to live with it. You could move to another country. I hear there are still a bunch out there that "protect traditional marriage". Maybe Saudi Arabia is the right choice for you!

And that's probably a good call on public school. I can attest that I, as an educator of young children, have never shamed any of my students with same-sex parents and condemned their disgusting sinfulness (or, wait, am I condemning them for being a tax burden? or are they just gross? I get confused). I've never told any of them that their religion is wrong, either, or that they're not as good as other people because some of them aren't citizens. It's a socialist hotbed, public education, I promise you. Radical ideas! Spherical earth theories! Literacy!

Well, I understand that Saudi Arabia's form of marriage recognition is based on that definition from BC: you know, multiple wives, wife-beating, marital rape etc. Still, if you want the "eternal, unchanging definition of marriage", they do fiarly well for lengevity.

As to condemning kids of same-sex parents, haven't you read the memo? You're supposed to condemn them for everything since the Fall of Man, logic irrespective. Anything less than that is liberal indoctrination.

Drat missed that one, can you forward it to me?

[Sith Korriban]

I'm not worried about that, because I am certain people aren't born gay, unless they have a genetic defect that can cause it, but no one in my ancestry is gay, so I think I'm pretty safe.

You are so incredibly wrong that it's hilarious. Lrn2science.

Come now the jury is still out on if it is definitely just a birth issue.

Even if he happened to be right, which is, oh, 'snowball's chance in hell,' you must concede he's missing an important point with his faith in his Manly Sperm of Heterosexuality: unless he plans to marry his sister, his family isn't the only one he needs to be concerned about.

Apart from your "Don't question my beliefs" comment, I am well aware of that.

It's not just the science, though. It's the 'bwuh' factor of the era his beliefs hark back to. He can't know if none of his ancestors were gay, because they'd have had to hide it.

[Zephie]

I'm not worried about that, because I am certain people aren't born gay, unless they have a genetic defect that can cause it, but no one in my ancestry is gay, so I think I'm pretty safe.

You are so incredibly wrong that it's hilarious. Lrn2science.

Come now the jury is still out on if it is definitely just a birth issue.

Even if he happened to be right, which is, oh, 'snowball's chance in hell,' you must concede he's missing an important point with his faith in his Manly Sperm of Heterosexuality: unless he plans to marry his sister, his family isn't the only one he needs to be concerned about.

Apart from your "Don't question my beliefs" comment, I am well aware of that.

It's not just the science, though. It's the 'bwuh' factor of the era his beliefs hark back to. He can't know if none of his ancestors were gay, because they'd have had to hide it.

I guess it's just good genes.

[New Chalcedon]

There is no good argument for it.

Premise 1: equality before the law is important
Premise 2: separate laws to govern separate groups are not equal
Premise 3: Some people have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to
Conclusion: Everyone should have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to.

Why should everyone be able to marry the same sex?

Why not? Who's hurt by it? What good of society is neglected?

[DaWoad]

There is no good argument for it.

Premise 1: equality before the law is important
Premise 2: separate laws to govern separate groups are not equal
Premise 3: Some people have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to
Conclusion: Everyone should have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to.

Why should everyone be able to marry the same sex?

you really need me to stretch it to that point for you? fine

Premise 1: equality before the law is important
Premise 2: separate laws to govern separate groups are not equal
Premise 3: Some people have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to
Conclusion: Everyone should have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to
Premise 4: some people are attracted to consenting adults of the same sex
Conclusion 2: In order for everyone to Have equality under the law same sex marriage must be allowed.

[DaWoad]

I'm not worried about that, because I am certain people aren't born gay, unless they have a genetic defect that can cause it, but no one in my ancestry is gay, so I think I'm pretty safe.

You are so incredibly wrong that it's hilarious. Lrn2science.

Come now the jury is still out on if it is definitely just a birth issue.

Even if he happened to be right, which is, oh, 'snowball's chance in hell,' you must concede he's missing an important point with his faith in his Manly Sperm of Heterosexuality: unless he plans to marry his sister, his family isn't the only one he needs to be concerned about.

Apart from your "Don't question my beliefs" comment, I am well aware of that.

It's not just the science, though. It's the 'bwuh' factor of the era his beliefs hark back to. He can't know if none of his ancestors were gay, because they'd have had to hide it.

I guess it's just good genes.

There's no such thing.
EDIT for clarity:
There are only genes whose "hosts" survive to reproduce and genes whose hosts do not.

[Zephie]

I'm not worried about that, because I am certain people aren't born gay, unless they have a genetic defect that can cause it, but no one in my ancestry is gay, so I think I'm pretty safe.

You are so incredibly wrong that it's hilarious. Lrn2science.

Come now the jury is still out on if it is definitely just a birth issue.

Even if he happened to be right, which is, oh, 'snowball's chance in hell,' you must concede he's missing an important point with his faith in his Manly Sperm of Heterosexuality: unless he plans to marry his sister, his family isn't the only one he needs to be concerned about.

Apart from your "Don't question my beliefs" comment, I am well aware of that.

It's not just the science, though. It's the 'bwuh' factor of the era his beliefs hark back to. He can't know if none of his ancestors were gay, because they'd have had to hide it.

I guess it's just good genes.

There's no such thing.

you don't believe in evolution?

[Sith Korriban]

There is no good argument for it.

Premise 1: equality before the law is important
Premise 2: separate laws to govern separate groups are not equal
Premise 3: Some people have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to
Conclusion: Everyone should have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to.

Why should everyone be able to marry the same sex?

Because... well, this guy says it best.
You should be glad there are gay guys. Every guy interested in other guys is one less guy who's competition for any girl you might like.

[The Norwegian Blue]

Also, to Zephie... please just stop already. Logic doesn't like being raped to death with a chainsaw. Which is the equivalent, I feel, of the blatant illogic in your arguments.

They're pretty entertaining, though. I mean, when someone's actual argument appears to be, "Gay people are fictional, because they have a 'lifestyle,' and therefore gay marriage has no purpose, and it's hypocritical to support gay marriage without also being against gay marriage, and furthermore I want to marry a hamster," how can you do anything but laugh?

By taking this out of the abstract: I'm one of the people he'd rather just sat in the corner and waited until the WASP heterosexual moneyed interests got around to actually letting me have some rights.

Well, yes, there is that, unfortunately.

On the bright side, in a sense, a few people like him are good to have around, because they do a great job of making the anti-equality side of the argument sound completely insane.

Another common tactic, trying to ridicule someone rather than have a real argument. Good job.

I don't think anyone's really having to try.

And, in point of fact, I've made several "real arguments" to you. Among others, I asked you to explain exactly how protesting Target was "hypocritical." You never answered. Quite a lot of people have asked you precisely how gay marriage would harm you. You never answered that, either. And, of course, both I and several other people have repeatedly pointed out that civil marriage is far from limited to Christians, and that it is therefore nonsensical to pretend that Christians have a monopoly on it. You've ignored that, too. If you aren't going to take your own argument seriously enough to bother answering objections to it, why should anyone else?

[Blouman Empire]

I'm not worried about that, because I am certain people aren't born gay, unless they have a genetic defect that can cause it, but no one in my ancestry is gay, so I think I'm pretty safe.

You are so incredibly wrong that it's hilarious. Lrn2science.

Come now the jury is still out on if it is definitely just a birth issue.

Even if he happened to be right, which is, oh, 'snowball's chance in hell,' you must concede he's missing an important point with his faith in his Manly Sperm of Heterosexuality: unless he plans to marry his sister, his family isn't the only one he needs to be concerned about.

Apart from your "Don't question my beliefs" comment, I am well aware of that.

It's not just the science, though. It's the 'bwuh' factor of the era his beliefs hark back to. He can't know if none of his ancestors were gay, because they'd have had to hide it.

Oh hang I misread your post. Forgot what I said.

[DaWoad]

I'm not worried about that, because I am certain people aren't born gay, unless they have a genetic defect that can cause it, but no one in my ancestry is gay, so I think I'm pretty safe.

You are so incredibly wrong that it's hilarious. Lrn2science.

Come now the jury is still out on if it is definitely just a birth issue.

Even if he happened to be right, which is, oh, 'snowball's chance in hell,' you must concede he's missing an important point with his faith in his Manly Sperm of Heterosexuality: unless he plans to marry his sister, his family isn't the only one he needs to be concerned about.

Apart from your "Don't question my beliefs" comment, I am well aware of that.

It's not just the science, though. It's the 'bwuh' factor of the era his beliefs hark back to. He can't know if none of his ancestors were gay, because they'd have had to hide it.

I guess it's just good genes.

There's no such thing.

you don't believe in evolution?

Of course I do. There's no such thing as a "good" or "bad" gene though.

[Zephie]

There is no good argument for it.

Premise 1: equality before the law is important
Premise 2: separate laws to govern separate groups are not equal
Premise 3: Some people have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to
Conclusion: Everyone should have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to.

Why should everyone be able to marry the same sex?

Because... well, this guy says it best.
You should be glad there are gay guys. Every guy interested in other guys is one less guy who's competition for any girl you might like.

Meh, but there's also gay girls. so if none of them were gay it would pretty much even out.

[Zephie]

Of course I do. There's no such thing as a "good" or "bad" gene though.

Sure there is.

[Tungookska]

Sure there is.

"good" and "bad" are subjective

[Ryadn]

Okay. As long as you realize that no one cares what you think.

I mean, hearhere, on the internets? Where people are bored and enjoy having pointless arguments with particularly unsavory brick walls? Sure, maybe someone cares what you think, at least enough to debate it. But the real world? It's going on without you, and same-sex marriage is extent and spreading, and as it's unlikely to physically kill you (unless you have a really dodgy heart and all that vitriol and anxiety puts a real strain on it), it looks like you're going to have to live with the existence of government-recognized same-sex marriage.

Have a nice day, and please, shop at the United States of America again.

That's very arrogant to say it's going to spread and that I have to live with it. I will just not send my children to public school then if they are going to teach them it's okay to be homosexual.

You're right, and I'm sorry. You don't HAVE to live with it. You could move to another country. I hear there are still a bunch out there that "protect traditional marriage". Maybe Saudi Arabia is the right choice for you!

And that's probably a good call on public school. I can attest that I, as an educator of young children, have never shamed any of my students with same-sex parents and condemned their disgusting sinfulness (or, wait, am I condemning them for being a tax burden? or are they just gross? I get confused). I've never told any of them that their religion is wrong, either, or that they're not as good as other people because some of them aren't citizens. It's a socialist hotbed, public education, I promise you. Radical ideas! Spherical earth theories! Literacy!

Well, I understand that Saudi Arabia's form of marriage recognition is based on that definition from BC: you know, multiple wives, wife-beating, marital rape etc. Still, if you want the "eternal, unchanging definition of marriage", they do fiarly well for lengevity.

As to condemning kids of same-sex parents, haven't you read the memo? You're supposed to condemn them for everything since the Fall of Man, logic irrespective. Anything less than that is liberal indoctrination.

What?? But---I only missed ONE meeting, and a co-worker said nothing new came up. How could---

OMG. I think I might have seen an Obama sticker on her car! I should have known!!

[Zephie]

I'm not worried about that, because I am certain people aren't born gay, unless they have a genetic defect that can cause it, but no one in my ancestry is gay, so I think I'm pretty safe.

You are so incredibly wrong that it's hilarious. Lrn2science.

Come now the jury is still out on if it is definitely just a birth issue.

Even if he happened to be right, which is, oh, 'snowball's chance in hell,' you must concede he's missing an important point with his faith in his Manly Sperm of Heterosexuality: unless he plans to marry his sister, his family isn't the only one he needs to be concerned about.

Apart from your "Don't question my beliefs" comment, I am well aware of that.

It's not just the science, though. It's the 'bwuh' factor of the era his beliefs hark back to. He can't know if none of his ancestors were gay, because they'd have had to hide it.

I guess it's just good genes.

There's no such thing.

you don't believe in evolution?

Of course I do. There's no such thing as a "good" or "bad" gene though.

Sure there is.

"good" and "bad" are subjective

lol, not when it comes to genes.

[DaWoad]

So, define for me what makes a good gene then.

Or: even better, give me an example of a good gene.

[Sith Korriban]

There is no good argument for it.

Premise 1: equality before the law is important
Premise 2: separate laws to govern separate groups are not equal
Premise 3: Some people have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to
Conclusion: Everyone should have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to.

Why should everyone be able to marry the same sex?

Because... well, this guy says it best.
You should be glad there are gay guys. Every guy interested in other guys is one less guy who's competition for any girl you might like.

Meh, but there's also gay girls. so if none of them were gay it would pretty much even out.

Honey, you're gonna have a hard enough time attracting the crop of girls who are eligible - you can just fantasise about the gay girls.

[Zephie]

There is no good argument for it.

Premise 1: equality before the law is important
Premise 2: separate laws to govern separate groups are not equal
Premise 3: Some people have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to
Conclusion: Everyone should have the right to marry any consenting adult they are attracted to.

Why should everyone be able to marry the same sex?

Because... well, this guy says it best.
You should be glad there are gay guys. Every guy interested in other guys is one less guy who's competition for any girl you might like.

Meh, but there's also gay girls. so if none of them were gay it would pretty much even out.

Honey, you're gonna have a hard enough time attracting the crop of girls who are eligible - you can just fantasise about the gay girls.

Thanks for the tried insult, but I don't have that problem.

[DaWoad]

So, define for me what makes a good gene then.

Or: even better, give me an example of a good gene.

[Zephie]

So, define for me what makes a good gene then.

A gene that makes you less susceptible to a common disease would be considered a good gene, for example. A gene that makes you more prone to something like diabetes, would be a bad gene. Understand?