The human body is overrated.

[1337tonia]

We're often told that "the human body's a wonderful thing" because it is so complicated or for whatever reason, but what good is complexity when it malfunctions so easily?

As I have mentioned in other threads, I have type 1 diabetes, wherein the immune system attacks the insulin producing cells, for reasons that are no fault of my own for that matter. My body would have destroyed itself if not for human technology figuring out what went wrong and how to replace the insulin itself. For all its complexity and intricacy, the human body is not very trustworthy.

Of course, this example applies just to myself and others who have this disease, which is about 1 percent of people. But I doubt it is the only example of this. So many things are severely wrong with human biology that it is over-rated, to say the very least...

EDIT: It seems a lot of people were responding as if I meant in comparison to other species; I did not. I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to technology...

I came into this a bit late, but I would like to say one thing: We have created so many advanced and complex technological wonders, yet they, too, break down very easily without our care. Comparing the human body to technology, I'd say they're both about equal.

[Mimic]

I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to technology...

If it was a choice of having a human brain or Windows 7, I know which one I'm going to pick.

Compared to the human body, current technology is pretty lame. If you mean "TV's vision of future technology, with sentient AIs, cyborg bodies and computers that can do whatever the plot requires", well, I hesitate to point out that said technology is fictional.

[Jalkil]

Give us some time. With something as complex as the human body, you have a few options. You can take the route of the Nazis and perform vast amounts of lethal experiments to find out medical functions and such, which did advance our understanding of the human body a thousand fold when we discovered their research notes and other assorted data, or you can wait for non-invasive technology like medical scans to advance to the point where you can examine every part of the living human body without causing them damage, and gather data that way. We're going with option 2, and it takes time. I would say, given a century, nearly every disease we currently have to day will be wiped out and there will be mandatory vaccinations to them for children as we have with tetanus now.

But then wouldn't the Nazi way ultimately save more lives? I think we should take that route.

You are playing the Devils Advocate here arent you?
The Opening Poster would propably have been sent to a laboratory against his will, been given electric shocks, been cut open and his brain would have been examined by crazy "doctors".
By supporting anything nazi you are indirectly killing so many people that... That it is unbelivable. Do not falter against the tyrrany and genocidial policy of nazism. Mankind has NOTHING to get from there.

And dont you dare try to go around saying "but oh, if we kill 10 millions of jews and gypsies and old people and sick people and crippled people and "stupid" people with a low IQ and so on (because those are the ones being experimented on) and other people less worth than MEEEEE who is completely SUPERIOR to THEM then we will save LOTSOOSOSOSOOO of PEOPLE LIKE MEEEEE!"

[Jagalonia]

we really don't have the technology to build a robot that does all the stuff humans can do

Honda has one out, so yes, we do, and the technology is completely replicatable.

[Jagalonia]

I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to technology...

If it was a choice of having a human brain or Windows 7, I know which one I'm going to pick.

I'd pick windows 7 too xD

[Jalkil]

I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to technology...

If it was a choice of having a human brain or Windows 7, I know which one I'm going to pick.

I'd pick windows 7 too xD

If I would have the choice between being sentient and non-sentient... Then I would pick sentient.

[Rick Rollin]

Yeah, when's the new model come out?

Next week.

[Nazistisches Reich]

But then wouldn't the Nazi way ultimately save more lives? I think we should take that route.

Except you can imagine some people's reaction considring there are luantic who oppose stem cell reserch.

Yeah, but Nazis can exterminate their opposition. That is why being a Nazi is cooler than being a liberal. You get to exterminate people. None shall stand in the way of our glorious progress!

Dude...sieroiusly come on enough is enough of mocking Nazis

[The chrisman union]

Lets all just get brain transplants to shark bodies.

So sigged!

[Great Nepal]

I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to technology...

If it was a choice of having a human brain or Windows 7, I know which one I'm going to pick.

I'd pick windows 7 too xD

Um.. are you sure?
Hint: Windows 7 has to be commanded by humans.

[Nazistisches Reich]

Give us some time. With something as complex as the human body, you have a few options. You can take the route of the Nazis and perform vast amounts of lethal experiments to find out medical functions and such, which did advance our understanding of the human body a thousand fold when we discovered their research notes and other assorted data, or you can wait for non-invasive technology like medical scans to advance to the point where you can examine every part of the living human body without causing them damage, and gather data that way. We're going with option 2, and it takes time. I would say, given a century, nearly every disease we currently have to day will be wiped out and there will be mandatory vaccinations to them for children as we have with tetanus now.

But then wouldn't the Nazi way ultimately save more lives? I think we should take that route.

You are playing the Devils Advocate here arent you?
The Opening Poster would propably have been sent to a laboratory against his will, been given electric shocks, been cut open and his brain would have been examined by crazy "doctors".
By supporting anything nazi you are indirectly killing so many people that... That it is unbelivable. Do not falter against the tyrrany and genocidial policy of nazism. Mankind has NOTHING to get from there.



And dont you dare try to go around saying "but oh, if we kill 10 millions of jews and gypsies and old people and sick people and crippled people and "stupid" people with a low IQ and so on (because those are the ones being experimented on) and other people less worth than MEEEEE who is completely SUPERIOR to THEM then we will save LOTSOOSOSOSOOO of PEOPLE LIKE MEEEEE!"

^ I agree with all that you have listed but Im a National Socialist so thats why

[Liberal Conservative]

Of course, this example applies just to myself and others who have this disease, which is about 1 percent of people. But I doubt it is the only example of this. So many things are severely wrong with human biology that it is over-rated, to say the very least...

It's a good starting point, but I think we should make some improvements.

[Victorious Decepticons]

We're often told that "the human body's a wonderful thing" because it is so complicated or for whatever reason, but what good is complexity when it malfunctions so easily?

As I have mentioned in other threads, I have type 1 diabetes, wherein the immune system attacks the insulin producing cells, for reasons that are no fault of my own for that matter. My body would have destroyed itself if not for human technology figuring out what went wrong and how to replace the insulin itself. For all its complexity and intricacy, the human body is not very trustworthy.

Of course, this example applies just to myself and others who have this disease, which is about 1 percent of people. But I doubt it is the only example of this. So many things are severely wrong with human biology that it is over-rated, to say the very least...

EDIT: It seems a lot of people were responding as if I meant in comparison to other species; I did not. I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to technology...

I came into this a bit late, but I would like to say one thing: We have created so many advanced and complex technological wonders, yet they, too, break down very easily without our care.

The advantage to technology that I see is that it can be fixed much more easily, and theoretically can be maintained in (or returned to) perfect working order forever.

IMO the human body IS in beta and overrated. Any system that has death as an inevitable part of it is, literally, fatally flawed. Maybe not by evolutionary standards, but it's surely a flaw from the perspective of the one who faces that death.

Despite that, today's real-life technology is in alpha ( = pre-beta). While it can likely match the physical abilities of a human body (or soon will), and can already be fixed, and refixed, and refixed potentially forever, it lacks sapience/sentience. There is also no way yet discovered to transfer a human consciousness into a nice, easily upgradable robotic body.

I certainly understand the OP's desire for an upgrade, but today's alternatives are still, unfortunately, a downgrade. I also wouldn't want to be the first one to try any consciousness-transfer technology when it comes out since human-made technology always starts out with a load of glitches. Eventually, however, some sort of transhuman technology of a type I like should be perfected, and when it is, I'll be waving my credit card in that company's direction.

In short, I hear ya, but until my Transfer Machine (human-->robot) is a reality, I'll keep my human form if only because that's the one that can support my consciousness.

[Nazi Flower Power]

University in particular. That level of school is often (albeit stereotypically) associated with "getting laid."

College students talk about sex more than they actually have it.

I think you said once in another thread that you do not have a girlfriend.

That would not rule out the possibility of casual sex though.

Again, less common than popular culture would have you believe -- especially for someone like you who admits to being confused and tends to do a lot of thinking. Even if you haven't been able to figure things out yet, it is obvious that you have a lot of abstract philosophical stuff going on in your head, which doesn't mix well with casual sex.

I should clarify, when I say "less common than popular culture would have you believe" I am talking about the number of people who have casual sex, not the amount of it they have.

[Nazi Flower Power]

we really don't have the technology to build a robot that does all the stuff humans can do

Honda has one out, so yes, we do, and the technology is completely replicatable.

It can give birth?

[Nazi Flower Power]

But then wouldn't the Nazi way ultimately save more lives? I think we should take that route.

Except you can imagine some people's reaction considring there are luantic who oppose stem cell reserch.

Yeah, but Nazis can exterminate their opposition. That is why being a Nazi is cooler than being a liberal. You get to exterminate people. None shall stand in the way of our glorious progress!

Dude...sieroiusly come on enough is enough of mocking Nazis

You know, I like you a lot more when you don't spout off this junk. Please remove the swastika banner from your ass. You will be much more comfortable without it.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to technology...

If it was a choice of having a human brain or Windows 7, I know which one I'm going to pick.

I'd pick windows 7 too xD

Um.. are you sure?
Hint: Windows 7 has to be commanded by humans.

He wants to be your slave.

[Nazistisches Reich]

But then wouldn't the Nazi way ultimately save more lives? I think we should take that route.

Except you can imagine some people's reaction considring there are luantic who oppose stem cell reserch.

Yeah, but Nazis can exterminate their opposition. That is why being a Nazi is cooler than being a liberal. You get to exterminate people. None shall stand in the way of our glorious progress!

Dude...sieroiusly come on enough is enough of mocking Nazis

You know, I like you a lot more when you don't spout off this junk. Please remove the swastika banner from your ass. You will be much more comfortable without it.

Im a NS and nothing going to change that especailly not someone who mocks nazis

[Nevennkebla]

Two words: External Testicles.

I rest my case.

[Tmutarakhan]

Old joke: how can you tell that the human body was designed by the Army Corps of Engineers?

Well, who else would have the sewage pipes discharge right in the middle of the recreational area?

[JJ Place]

We're often told that "the human body's a wonderful thing" because it is so complicated or for whatever reason, but what good is complexity when it malfunctions so easily?

As I have mentioned in other threads, I have type 1 diabetes, wherein the immune system attacks the insulin producing cells, for reasons that are no fault of my own for that matter. My body would have destroyed itself if not for human technology figuring out what went wrong and how to replace the insulin itself. For all its complexity and intricacy, the human body is not very trustworthy.

Of course, this example applies just to myself and others who have this disease, which is about 1 percent of people. But I doubt it is the only example of this. So many things are severely wrong with human biology that it is over-rated, to say the very least...

EDIT: It seems a lot of people were responding as if I meant in comparison to other species; I did not. I was thinking more along the lines of in comparison to technology...

The human body in and of itself is fairly weak, un-powerful, and wield very bad defense; take human beings a and put them in the wild with the same intelligence as our primate cousins on the evolutionary family tree, and a human will most likely be dead in almost no time. The remarkable aspect of humanity is not our bodies, as many other species have far better bodies than humans, many species Ants for example can carry 30x their body weight and carry that weight over a distance equivalent of a few miles for a human, yet most humans can not bench their own boy weight, let alone carry something their body weight over a a few miles distance.

The difference that makes humans superior to other species isn't even our ability to work well in a group, because many insect species work far more efficient in a group than humans, and have far superior bodies, yet insects are not nearly as success as human beings. The reason humanity is great is not because of our size, not small, but also not gigantic, just large; many other species are large, as many species are even more perfectly sized at 7 or 8 foot on average, they also work well in a group, and have superior far bodies than humans. In fact, the superiority of humans over other superior isn't even because of technology; if you gave an Orangutan a computer, not very much would be accomplished by said Orangutan, or even by a group of Orangutans. No, the true might of human is not any of these above mentioned features, it's something different entirely: It's the human mind.

The human body might be far from perfect, but what makes humanity so great is the human mind.

[JJ Place]

This post is a figment of your imagination. Look above for a real post by JJ Place.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Dude...sieroiusly come on enough is enough of mocking Nazis

You know, I like you a lot more when you don't spout off this junk. Please remove the swastika banner from your ass. You will be much more comfortable without it.

Im a NS and nothing going to change that especailly not someone who mocks nazis

I'm not saying you have to stop being a Nazi; I'm saying you should get a sense of humor. If you are going to remain loyal to such an unpopular ideology, then you need to grow a thicker skin.

[Jagalonia]

we really don't have the technology to build a robot that does all the stuff humans can do

Honda has one out, so yes, we do, and the technology is completely replicatable.

It can give birth?

Clearly not, but the equipment can be replicated, and "offspring" can be created.

[Rolamec]

Give it a few more hundred thousand years, it'll figure all the problems out itself.

Either that or we'll go extinct.