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Postby Jagalonia » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:25 pm

The reason some people revere the human body as so magnificent, is because we have no way of duplicating it, Yes we can clone animals, but those clones would be useless when put in an actual society.

What I personaly find facinating is the materials we're made of, we're not made of anything that we can create, or mould, and even more amazingly, we're only 1 or 2 ingredients away from being walking bombs.

Honestly I could go on for hours about this, but I'd rather not spend all night making a forum post lol.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:29 pm

Nazistisches Reich wrote: Oh and isnt diabetes caused from obesity and also High Fructose corn syrup can cause diabetes so you might have caused it....


That is type 2 diabetes. Hayteria says he has type 1.
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Postby Nazistisches Reich » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:29 pm

Jagalonia wrote:The reason some people revere the human body as so magnificent, is because we have no way of duplicating it, Yes we can clone animals, but those clones would be useless when put in an actual society.

What I personaly find facinating is the materials we're made of, we're not made of anything that we can create, or mould, and even more amazingly, we're only 1 or 2 ingredients away from being walking bombs.

Honestly I could go on for hours about this, but I'd rather not spend all night making a forum post lol.


What do you mean 1 or 2 ingrediants away form being walking bombs?
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Postby Bafuria » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:31 pm

When you have something very complex, there is inevitably something wrong with it.

Fortunately for me, that "something" is not vital.
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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:31 pm

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Jagalonia wrote:The reason some people revere the human body as so magnificent, is because we have no way of duplicating it, Yes we can clone animals, but those clones would be useless when put in an actual society.

What I personaly find facinating is the materials we're made of, we're not made of anything that we can create, or mould, and even more amazingly, we're only 1 or 2 ingredients away from being walking bombs.

Honestly I could go on for hours about this, but I'd rather not spend all night making a forum post lol.


What do you mean 1 or 2 ingrediants away form being walking bombs?


Humans have a very large amount of elements within them. Right now you have Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, Iron, Calcium, Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Sodium and potassium, to list a few.
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Postby Nazistisches Reich » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:32 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Nazistisches Reich wrote: Oh and isnt diabetes caused from obesity and also High Fructose corn syrup can cause diabetes so you might have caused it....


That is type 2 diabetes. Hayteria says he has type 1.


Oh I always get both of them confused...Any ways I also like how the body adapts to the physical demands of things by building muscle like if you workout your body adapts to the physical activity and rebuilds the torn muscle with more muscle to make the activity easier. But there are to types of working out styles though Strength Training which you work out all of the upper body and gain little mass but alot of strength like an Ant for example. And then theres body building where you work one muscle each day then you get the mass.
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:37 pm

Remember evolution isnt about producing the perfect body its about producing a good enough one, many of our problems are caused by modern technology allowing those that would simply die off in nature survive, that includes almost everyone over 35.
thats why we uses technology to fix problems when we can, with gene therapy diabetes may well be something only read about in text books.
our ability to alter the body is still very crude(akin to killing weeds with napalm) but we are getting better by leaps and bounds.
for instance it turns out almost all non-food allergies are caused by the part of our immune system that kills parasitic worm, because most people who live in developed countries never get worms as children, the system goes nut because it cant differentiate dander and pollen from worm proteins.
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Postby Nazistisches Reich » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:37 pm

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Jagalonia wrote:The reason some people revere the human body as so magnificent, is because we have no way of duplicating it, Yes we can clone animals, but those clones would be useless when put in an actual society.

What I personaly find facinating is the materials we're made of, we're not made of anything that we can create, or mould, and even more amazingly, we're only 1 or 2 ingredients away from being walking bombs.

Honestly I could go on for hours about this, but I'd rather not spend all night making a forum post lol.


What do you mean 1 or 2 ingrediants away form being walking bombs?


Humans have a very large amount of elements within them. Right now you have Hydrogen, Oxygen, Carbon, Iron, Calcium, Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Sodium and potassium, to list a few.


ok I know this from my knowledge on physical fitness but what do these elements have to do with an bomb I mean hydorgen, nitrogen and Oxygen and Carbon I can see but sodium potassium, calcium, Iron phosphorus i dont see as exlosion elements.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:37 pm

Hayteria wrote:We are often told that "the human body is a wonderful thing" because it is so complicated or for whatever reason, but what good is complexity when it malfunctions so easily?

As I have mentioned in other threads, I have type 1 diabetes, wherein the immune system attacks the insulin producing cells, for reasons that are no fault of my own for that matter. My body would have destroyed itself if not for human technology figuring out what went wrong and how to replace the insulin itself. For all its complexity and intricacy, the human body is not very trustworthy.

Of course, this example applies just to myself and others who have this disease, which is about 1 percent of people. But I doubt it is the only example of this. So many things are severely wrong with human biology that it is over-rated, to say the very least...


My aunt has type 1 diabetes. Just be glad you don't have hemophilia, like some of my other relatives. One of my uncles had it (he passed away), and ended up getting HIV from a tainted blood transfusion (it was before they tested blood for it).
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Postby Ryadn » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:38 pm

It's hard to over-rate something when it's the only game in town. I'd rather be here with this body, fucked up systems and all, than not. Most days, at least.

Anyway---we DO have treatments for diabetes, so why aren't you grateful to the human body for possessing the ingenuity to solve or ameliorate some of these problems?
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Postby The Black Plains » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:40 pm

Our physical bodies are shit compared to other animals. We are one of the least properly survival-equipped mammals in existence... Think about how fucking fragile we are. BUT our brains make up for all that now don't they?

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Hayteria wrote:We are often told that "the human body is a wonderful thing" because it is so complicated or for whatever reason, but what good is complexity when it malfunctions so easily?

As I have mentioned in other threads, I have type 1 diabetes, wherein the immune system attacks the insulin producing cells, for reasons that are no fault of my own for that matter. My body would have destroyed itself if not for human technology figuring out what went wrong and how to replace the insulin itself. For all its complexity and intricacy, the human body is not very trustworthy.

Of course, this example applies just to myself and others who have this disease, which is about 1 percent of people. But I doubt it is the only example of this. So many things are severely wrong with human biology that it is over-rated, to say the very least...


Diabetes sucks. I'm sorry.

The human body is pretty amazing if you think about it though. All those various systems. Also, some female bodies are are indeed quite wonderful.
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Hayteria wrote:We are often told that "the human body is a wonderful thing" because it is so complicated or for whatever reason, but what good is complexity when it malfunctions so easily?

As I have mentioned in other threads, I have type 1 diabetes, wherein the immune system attacks the insulin producing cells, for reasons that are no fault of my own for that matter. My body would have destroyed itself if not for human technology figuring out what went wrong and how to replace the insulin itself. For all its complexity and intricacy, the human body is not very trustworthy.

Of course, this example applies just to myself and others who have this disease, which is about 1 percent of people. But I doubt it is the only example of this. So many things are severely wrong with human biology that it is over-rated, to say the very least...


So because you're a retard, the human body as a biological entity is iver-rated?


Might want to throw some water on that.
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Postby Nazistisches Reich » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:42 pm

I also am aware of survival of the fittest which is meant to keep the genepool strong. Like how we werent mean to live that long we were meant to livel ong enough to grow up, mate care for our younge and then die but due ot our brains being more advanced we evolved and have done research on things to save people who would have died without it but if you ask me I dont like it I think theres a reason their body caught it and that was becuase they just werent the fittest. I also wouldnt have lasted though since I had menangitice at the age of 4 and the flue at age of 10. I probably wouldnt have survived the menangitic or the flu. But Ive never been sick after that so my immune system has obvoiusly became strong becuase of those 2 incidents.
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Postby The Black Plains » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:42 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Hayteria wrote:We are often told that "the human body is a wonderful thing" because it is so complicated or for whatever reason, but what good is complexity when it malfunctions so easily?

As I have mentioned in other threads, I have type 1 diabetes, wherein the immune system attacks the insulin producing cells, for reasons that are no fault of my own for that matter. My body would have destroyed itself if not for human technology figuring out what went wrong and how to replace the insulin itself. For all its complexity and intricacy, the human body is not very trustworthy.

Of course, this example applies just to myself and others who have this disease, which is about 1 percent of people. But I doubt it is the only example of this. So many things are severely wrong with human biology that it is over-rated, to say the very least...


Diabetes sucks. I'm sorry.

The human body is pretty amazing if you think about it though. All those various systems. Also, some female bodies are are indeed quite wonderful.

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Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:Give us some time. With something as complex as the human body, you have a few options. You can take the route of the Nazis and perform vast amounts of lethal experiments to find out medical functions and such, which did advance our understanding of the human body a thousand fold when we discovered their research notes and other assorted data, or you can wait for non-invasive technology like medical scans to advance to the point where you can examine every part of the living human body without causing them damage, and gather data that way. We're going with option 2, and it takes time. I would say, given a century, nearly every disease we currently have to day will be wiped out and there will be mandatory vaccinations to them for children as we have with tetanus now.

There will be new diseases. But, those new diseases will be treated, and cured faster.
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Hayteria wrote:We are often told that "the human body is a wonderful thing" because it is so complicated or for whatever reason, but what good is complexity when it malfunctions so easily?

It's great. Away and don't eat a mars bar.
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Postby Nazistisches Reich » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:44 pm

The Black Plains wrote:Our physical bodies are shit compared to other animals. We are one of the least properly survival-equipped mammals in existence... Think about how fucking fragile we are. BUT our brains make up for all that now don't they?


Well dont forget evolution is why we are weaker since the more advancements we made and the less physical work we did took its toll and made us what we are today but early man was much more stronger and tougher because of how hard things were back then. I mean if took an average man from now and had him arm wrestle an early homosapien he would lose...horribly.
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Postby The Black Plains » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:45 pm

Sociobiology wrote:Remember evolution isnt about producing the perfect body its about producing a good enough one, many of our problems are caused by modern technology allowing those that would simply die off in nature survive, that includes almost everyone over 35.
thats why we uses technology to fix problems when we can, with gene therapy diabetes may well be something only read about in text books.
our ability to alter the body is still very crude(akin to killing weeds with napalm) but we are getting better by leaps and bounds.
for instance it turns out almost all non-food allergies are caused by the part of our immune system that kills parasitic worm, because most people who live in developed countries never get worms as children, the system goes nut because it cant differentiate dander and pollen from worm proteins.
It helps a lot when you country doesn't ban research because they dont understand it.

Wild cats, dogs, elephants (especially), lions (quite a bit actually), buffalo, and deer all care for their elderly... Elephants have even given up food to feed their oldest and sometimes nearly decrepit brethren first.

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Postby Terraius » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:45 pm

Yeah sucks, I have APLS so my immune system attacks my own lipids and messes with my blood. I have to take pills every day to make sure it doesnt get out of hand and everything is fine; I feel your pain and frustration as it does hinder me a bit.. for the most part I agree as my faith has reminded me more then once that man is not perfect, he is far from perfect and can mess up in many a degree, himself personally and the mortal vessel/body as well.
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Sibirsky wrote:
Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:Give us some time. With something as complex as the human body, you have a few options. You can take the route of the Nazis and perform vast amounts of lethal experiments to find out medical functions and such, which did advance our understanding of the human body a thousand fold when we discovered their research notes and other assorted data, or you can wait for non-invasive technology like medical scans to advance to the point where you can examine every part of the living human body without causing them damage, and gather data that way. We're going with option 2, and it takes time. I would say, given a century, nearly every disease we currently have to day will be wiped out and there will be mandatory vaccinations to them for children as we have with tetanus now.

There will be new diseases. But, those new diseases will be treated, and cured faster.

Exactly. The rate of technological innovation is accelerating, while the time it takes for a unique disease to develop or evolve in general takes the same amount of time. I think eventually we will get to the point where bio-robotic "doctors" supplement our natural immune systems and heal us from within, and it's not as far off as some may think. We're within a few years of having biological computers that indicate physiological anomalies by coloring your urine, if the Israeli scientist manages to secure funding to begin serious work on it.
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Hayteria wrote:We are often told that "the human body is a wonderful thing" because it is so complicated or for whatever reason, but what good is complexity when it malfunctions so easily?

It's great. Away and don't eat a mars bar.


why not?
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Nazistisches Reich wrote:
The Black Plains wrote:Our physical bodies are shit compared to other animals. We are one of the least properly survival-equipped mammals in existence... Think about how fucking fragile we are. BUT our brains make up for all that now don't they?


Well dont forget evolution is why we are weaker since the more advancements we made and the less physical work we did took its toll and made us what we are today but early man was much more stronger and tougher because of how hard things were back then. I mean if took an average man from now and had him arm wrestle an early homosapien he would lose...horribly.

Neanderthal? Yes he would probably lose... though we are much taller than Neanderthals were and, even physically, are better suited in many ways. Against a Cro-Magnon? No the modern human vs the Cro-Magnon would be a tossup frankly.

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Hayteria wrote:We are often told that "the human body is a wonderful thing" because it is so complicated or for whatever reason, but what good is complexity when it malfunctions so easily?

As I have mentioned in other threads, I have type 1 diabetes, wherein the immune system attacks the insulin producing cells, for reasons that are no fault of my own for that matter. My body would have destroyed itself if not for human technology figuring out what went wrong and how to replace the insulin itself. For all its complexity and intricacy, the human body is not very trustworthy.

Of course, this example applies just to myself and others who have this disease, which is about 1 percent of people. But I doubt it is the only example of this. So many things are severely wrong with human biology that it is over-rated, to say the very least...

Well, it could also be your own fault. Don't be ready to blame something or someone else without full analysis.
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Postby Sibirsky » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:48 pm

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The Black Plains wrote:Our physical bodies are shit compared to other animals. We are one of the least properly survival-equipped mammals in existence... Think about how fucking fragile we are. BUT our brains make up for all that now don't they?


Well dont forget evolution is why we are weaker since the more advancements we made and the less physical work we did took its toll and made us what we are today but early man was much more stronger and tougher because of how hard things were back then. I mean if took an average man from now and had him arm wrestle an early homosapien he would lose...horribly.


That's true. But I'd rather be weaker and have internet access.
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