Germany, and much of the Euro Area laugh at the USA's growth

[Conservative Alliances]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Meh, we haven't legalized civil unions or gay marriage yet.

The only nations in Europe to offer Gay Marriage are Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, and Sweden. 7 countries on that continent. Notice the words "gay marriage" though.

All of EU has employment anti-discrimination laws, you don't.

Way to ignore EEO laws.

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is legal in most US states.

That doesn't mean we don't have any anti-discrimination laws, it just means we don't have them for sexual orientation.

[Jalkil]

Oh seriously? A Europe VS America thread? This is just wonderful... Instead of supporting and helping eachother in this crisis you are taunting eachother and igniting hate between you!
Stop it, you arent 12 are you?

[Conservative Alliances]

Oh seriously? A Europe VS America thread? This is just wonderful... Instead of supporting and helping eachother in this crisis you are taunting eachother and igniting hate between you!
Stop it, you arent 12 are you?

...Really? I doubt anyone on NSG is in a position to actually do anything consequential. I also don't think trying to silence debate on a debate forum really makes sense...

[Nova Magna Germania]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Meh, we haven't legalized civil unions or gay marriage yet.

The only nations in Europe to offer Gay Marriage are Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, and Sweden. 7 countries on that continent. Notice the words "gay marriage" though.

All of EU has employment anti-discrimination laws, you don't.

Way to ignore EEO laws.

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is legal in most US states.

That doesn't mean we don't have any anti-discrimination laws, it just means we don't have them for sexual orientation.

Which means u are worse than even EU.

[TerraPublica]

They should laugh. In the words of Bill Maher "We've gotta' stop saying we're the best, and start goddamn acting like it!"

[TerraPublica]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

It isn't surprising to me that countries that actually take care of their citizens are growing economically faster then us.

[Conservative Alliances]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Meh, we haven't legalized civil unions or gay marriage yet.

The only nations in Europe to offer Gay Marriage are Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, and Sweden. 7 countries on that continent. Notice the words "gay marriage" though.

All of EU has employment anti-discrimination laws, you don't.

Way to ignore EEO laws.

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is legal in most US states.

That doesn't mean we don't have any anti-discrimination laws, it just means we don't have them for sexual orientation.

Which means u are worse than even EU.

That is a matter of opinion, not fact. At least we have free speech.

[Caninope]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Meh, we haven't legalized civil unions or gay marriage yet.

The only nations in Europe to offer Gay Marriage are Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, and Sweden. 7 countries on that continent. Notice the words "gay marriage" though.

All of EU has employment anti-discrimination laws, you don't.

Way to ignore EEO laws.

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is legal in most US states.

And you conveniently overlook the bill in Congress over this issue.

[KACF]

Well at least the U.S. has retained its national soverinty for now unlike almost any European countries. Lets Face it, the EU is going to drive all those small countries into bankruptcy.

[Vetalia]

It isn't surprising to me that countries that actually take care of their citizens are growing economically faster then us.

One year doesn't mean anything; the US has consistently outperformed the EU economically for a long time and their per-capita GDP is only 2/3rds of ours, so it would be odd if their economy wasn't growing slightly faster due to the differential. Now, it is true that economic performance isn't the sole measure of well-being, but at the same time it's completely baseless to argue that the EU is performing better than us economically. It isn't, and hasn't been; this is a fluke based on different economic conditions.

Fact is, Europe wasn't hit as hard by the financial crisis overall; it didn't have the same credit bubble to the extent we had here in the US, so their economy will outperform ours for a while until conditions have been normalized. However, simply doing less worse is hardly an achievement in and of itself.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Well at least the U.S. has retained its national soverinty for now unlike almost any European countries. Lets Face it, the EU is going to drive all those small countries into bankruptcy.

Source?

[Sharfghotten]

Well at least the U.S. has retained its national soverinty for now unlike almost any European countries.

So?

[Sremski okrug]

Well at least the U.S. has retained its national soverinty for now unlike almost any European countries. Lets Face it, the EU is going to drive all those small countries into bankruptcy.

What? The EU saved Greece from bankruptcy, new EU financial regulation is working. Deficit reduction is now in place in many European countries while the US continues to pile on the debt.

[Zoingo]

That doesn't mean we don't have any anti-discrimination laws, it just means we don't have them for sexual orientation.

Which means u are worse than even EU.

The fact that the United States gets to directly elect more of its bureaucrats = greater freedom than the EU. Where the US has its directly elected President, Senators, Representatives etc.....the EU has the unelected Commission, the Council of Ministers, the indirectly elected President of the European Union (rotating amongst heads of government), etc. The only democratic thing about the EU is the European Parliament, and even that organ has hardly any power at all...it can't even make laws!

Well at least the U.S. has retained its national soverinty for now unlike almost any European countries. Lets Face it, the EU is going to drive all those small countries into bankruptcy.

What? The EU saved Greece from bankruptcy, new EU financial regulation is working. Deficit reduction is now in place in many European countries while the US continues to pile on the debt.

All the EU did is give Greece a hundred billion euro check and say everything is fine and dandy while the entire country almost implodes. The Euro is dragging the Greek economy down because they can't devalue the currency or tinker with interest rates too much, and yet the Euro is being celebrated as a political success by the elite. All the bailout did was starve of future cuts to pensions and government workers that will have to take place anyway...the major source of the unrest.

On the subject of Financial Regulations, London, the chief financial center of Europe, was screaming and hollering for less stringent regulations on the financial industry during negotiations. Of course no one can predict the final outcome of these regulations, but ultimately it will mean that financial institutions will just move somewhere else.

The main difference for deficit reduction is two things:

1) European leaders are serious about cutting spending, while the United States is dancing around the subject. As the Alcoholics (a comparison) of Europe are trying to get better, the United States President is saying "drinking more, its the only way we are going to get better!".

2) The United States economy is more resilient to a higher Debt:GDP ratio than most European economies, with the crisis in Greece, and the massive debt in Portugal, Spain, the UK, Italy, etc. It sends a strong signal to other European leaders that they need to fix their budgets before everything flies out the window.

[Nova Magna Germania]

That doesn't mean we don't have any anti-discrimination laws, it just means we don't have them for sexual orientation.

Which means u are worse than even EU.

The fact that the United States gets to directly elect more of its bureaucrats = greater freedom than the EU. Where the US has its directly elected President, Senators, Representatives etc.....the EU has the unelected Commission, the Council of Ministers, the indirectly elected President of the European Union (rotating amongst heads of government), etc. The only democratic thing about the EU is the European Parliament, and even that organ has hardly any power at all...it can't even make laws!

The EU is not a country. The governments of EU members are elected.

[Nova Magna Germania]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Meh, we haven't legalized civil unions or gay marriage yet.

The only nations in Europe to offer Gay Marriage are Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, and Sweden. 7 countries on that continent. Notice the words "gay marriage" though.

All of EU has employment anti-discrimination laws, you don't.

Way to ignore EEO laws.

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is legal in most US states.

That doesn't mean we don't have any anti-discrimination laws, it just means we don't have them for sexual orientation.

Which means u are worse than even EU.

That is a matter of opinion, not fact. At least we have free speech.

I guess human rights violations in Iran is a matter of opinion too.

[Nova Magna Germania]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Meh, we haven't legalized civil unions or gay marriage yet.

The only nations in Europe to offer Gay Marriage are Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, and Sweden. 7 countries on that continent. Notice the words "gay marriage" though.

All of EU has employment anti-discrimination laws, you don't.

Way to ignore EEO laws.

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is legal in most US states.

And you conveniently overlook the bill in Congress over this issue.

Which might never pass. Look, if you think you are better in human rights than Northern European countries, you are just being delusional.

[Les Drapeaux Brulants]

The Economist
http://economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2010/08/europes_economies?fsrc=scn/fb/wl/bl/turbocharged
BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10962017
Well, they may as well given recent figures. Except Portugal, Spain and especially Greece...

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

Weren't these the same countries that argued against the Obama stimulus? Didn't most European governments call for austerity, rather than extravagance when discussing the budgets?

Guess they were right. That hope and change sure is working out...

[United Dependencies]

It's good to see that people from other countries can come together and act amicably around each other.

[Conservative Alliances]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Meh, we haven't legalized civil unions or gay marriage yet.

The only nations in Europe to offer Gay Marriage are Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, and Sweden. 7 countries on that continent. Notice the words "gay marriage" though.

All of EU has employment anti-discrimination laws, you don't.

Way to ignore EEO laws.

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is legal in most US states.

That doesn't mean we don't have any anti-discrimination laws, it just means we don't have them for sexual orientation.

Which means u are worse than even EU.

That is a matter of opinion, not fact. At least we have free speech.

I guess human rights violations in Iran is a matter of opinion too.

And what does that have to do with anything?

[F1-Insanity]

Well at least the U.S. has retained its national soverinty for now unlike almost any European countries. Lets Face it, the EU is going to drive all those small countries into bankruptcy.

What? The EU saved Greece from bankruptcy, new EU financial regulation is working. Deficit reduction is now in place in many European countries while the US continues to pile on the debt.

Deficit reduction in EU has S.F.A. to do with EU financial regulation.

Besides, the EU 'bailout' of Greece was a) illegal according to its own rules and b) opposed by the people who correctly view this as a bailout for FRENCH banks.

And the clinching argument: the EU is 100% undemocratic.

[F1-Insanity]

Germany is a completely different economy from America's. It is a larger exporter, has universal healthcare, lower corporate taxes, a VAT tax, is in the Eurozone, etc.

would that 'etc' include a welfare state that they already know they cannot afford for much longer? Harz IV and all that? *dances*

[Maxedon]

I hope the Germans realize that they can't match our military.

[Nova Magna Germania]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Meh, we haven't legalized civil unions or gay marriage yet.

The only nations in Europe to offer Gay Marriage are Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, and Sweden. 7 countries on that continent. Notice the words "gay marriage" though.

All of EU has employment anti-discrimination laws, you don't.

Way to ignore EEO laws.

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is legal in most US states.

That doesn't mean we don't have any anti-discrimination laws, it just means we don't have them for sexual orientation.

Which means u are worse than even EU.

That is a matter of opinion, not fact. At least we have free speech.

I guess human rights violations in Iran is a matter of opinion too.

And what does that have to do with anything?

Just to highlight the absurdity of your response.

[Conservative Alliances]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Meh, we haven't legalized civil unions or gay marriage yet.

The only nations in Europe to offer Gay Marriage are Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, and Sweden. 7 countries on that continent. Notice the words "gay marriage" though.

All of EU has employment anti-discrimination laws, you don't.

Way to ignore EEO laws.

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is legal in most US states.

That doesn't mean we don't have any anti-discrimination laws, it just means we don't have them for sexual orientation.

Which means u are worse than even EU.

That is a matter of opinion, not fact. At least we have free speech.

I guess human rights violations in Iran is a matter of opinion too.

And what does that have to do with anything?

Just to highlight the absurdity of your response.

Nothing absurd. You can hardly say that it is a fact that Europe is superior to the US. That is an opinion.