Germany, and much of the Euro Area laugh at the USA's growth

[EvilDarkMagicians]

They can grow at that rate for decades and not match the US economically...

The EU already is a greater economic force than the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

IMF GDP estimates 2009
EU: 16.4trl USD
USA: 14.2trl USD

Given the enlargement of the EU into eastern Europe, strong growth can be expected in future years as well, and the growth we're seeing here is being led by Germany too. So, basically you're talking shit

1 country versus 27 countries...
Ill take my chances.

Fixed you post for the truth.

[Glorious Homeland]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

There's only a minority that gives a shit about Europe's supposed 'Progressiveness', and a large part of said minority just so happens to consist of left-ish Americans.

A good European majority will happily cheer you on if you mock said American left-ish folks for their delusional rose-tinted view of Europe.

Oh, I don't know; we can apparently manage large welfare systems that empower the poor, reduce income inequality, raise opportunity, and yet also grow faster post-recession AND have a bigger GDP than the USA? How is that rose-tinted?
Unless you're measuring American success in terms of negative growth and income inequality? That must be it.

Are you illiterate or something?

The point is that recent figures are proving American's economic approach inferior to ours, in general. We can be progressive socially and economically progressive too. Why can't the USA be both? Lazy Americans? That's what the right put the poor down to anyway isn't it? Laziness, I guess Americans must just be much lazier than the average European, if they can't manage decent social provisions and economic expansion?

The EU already is a greater economic force than the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

IMF GDP estimates 2009
EU: 16.4trl USD
USA: 14.2trl USD

Given the enlargement of the EU into eastern Europe, strong growth can be expected in future years as well, and the growth we're seeing here is being led by Germany too. So, basically you're talking shit

The EU is hardly a united force. You can't compare a loose collection of States and the USA.

It can be compared in many ways, like GDP, economic growth and such. The point is that the one thing those in the USA who are scathing about across the pond; the economy, and how apparently the USA's more laissez faire economics is superior, and how the welfare system and things like universal healthcare will break or bankrupt a state or make it economically less powerful? Recent figures disagree with that assessment.

They can grow at that rate for decades and not match the US economically...

The EU already is a greater economic force than the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

IMF GDP estimates 2009
EU: 16.4trl USD
USA: 14.2trl USD

Given the enlargement of the EU into eastern Europe, strong growth can be expected in future years as well, and the growth we're seeing here is being led by Germany too. So, basically you're talking shit

1 country versus 44747747474 countries...
Ill take my chances.

Oh, so you're changing the topic, because you won't admit the USA isn't as economically powerful as the EU? We with our national health services and welfare states are apparently better at economic growth than "land of the free" USA? Go on... say it. Your own economic and social systems are unfortunately flawed, not progressive, in terms of income inequality OR GDP growth. The USA can't handle large market crashes, invasions, occupations, social progressiveness, post-recession economic growth these days, compared to it's European peers... tell me, what is it especially good at these days? I like the USA, but you guys clearly have a lot to fix to catch up! True progressiveness will only come about whenever most people admit your system is inferior. Protecting a delusion won't help you, it'll only cripple your nations in years to come.

[Conserative Morality]

It can be compared in many ways, like GDP, economic growth and such. The point is that the one thing those in the USA who are scathing about across the pond; the economy, and how apparently the USA's more laissez faire economics is superior, and how the welfare system and things like universal healthcare will break or bankrupt a state or make it economically less powerful? Recent figures disagree with that assessment.

Population of the EU: 501 million

Population of the US: 300 million

Differences in GDP: 2.2 trillion

Riiight.

[Glorious Homeland]

It can be compared in many ways, like GDP, economic growth and such. The point is that the one thing those in the USA who are scathing about across the pond; the economy, and how apparently the USA's more laissez faire economics is superior, and how the welfare system and things like universal healthcare will break or bankrupt a state or make it economically less powerful? Recent figures disagree with that assessment.

Population of the EU: 501 million

Population of the US: 300 million

Differences in GDP: 2.2 trillion

Riiight.

I wonder what it'll be like when the eastern bloc members develop to a western standard. Can you hazard a guess?

[Wamitoria]

It can be compared in many ways, like GDP, economic growth and such. The point is that the one thing those in the USA who are scathing about across the pond; the economy, and how apparently the USA's more laissez faire economics is superior, and how the welfare system and things like universal healthcare will break or bankrupt a state or make it economically less powerful? Recent figures disagree with that assessment.

Population of the EU: 501 million

Population of the US: 300 million

Differences in GDP: 2.2 trillion

Riiight.

And some of the EU member nations have deficits equal to 90% of their GDP.

[Brewdomia]

It can be compared in many ways, like GDP, economic growth and such. The point is that the one thing those in the USA who are scathing about across the pond; the economy, and how apparently the USA's more laissez faire economics is superior, and how the welfare system and things like universal healthcare will break or bankrupt a state or make it economically less powerful? Recent figures disagree with that assessment.

Population of the EU: 501 million

Population of the US: 300 million

Differences in GDP: 2.2 trillion

Riiight.

I wonder what it'll be like when the eastern bloc members develop to a western standard. Can you hazard a guess?

It stays the same, because they're still poor as shit and will be for a while.

And America will grow.

[Conserative Morality]

I wonder what it'll be like when the eastern bloc members develop to a western standard. Can you hazard a guess?

I wonder what it'll be like when one of the Eastern bloc members has a massive internal failure, like Greece, and the rest of the member states have to perform another bailout.

Care to hazard a guess?

[Glorious Homeland]

It can be compared in many ways, like GDP, economic growth and such. The point is that the one thing those in the USA who are scathing about across the pond; the economy, and how apparently the USA's more laissez faire economics is superior, and how the welfare system and things like universal healthcare will break or bankrupt a state or make it economically less powerful? Recent figures disagree with that assessment.

Population of the EU: 501 million

Population of the US: 300 million

Differences in GDP: 2.2 trillion

Riiight.

And some of the EU member nations have deficits equal to 90% of their GDP.

Lol Greece. Also Italy is a bit shit. Interesting how that's so and our growth is still going well?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

[Basementees]

It can be compared in many ways, like GDP, economic growth and such. The point is that the one thing those in the USA who are scathing about across the pond; the economy, and how apparently the USA's more laissez faire economics is superior, and how the welfare system and things like universal healthcare will break or bankrupt a state or make it economically less powerful? Recent figures disagree with that assessment.

Population of the EU: 501 million

Population of the US: 300 million

Differences in GDP: 2.2 trillion

Riiight.

And does that make a difference when you yanks compare YOUR country to individual countries?

[Conserative Morality]

Lol Greece. Also Italy is a bit shit. Interesting how that's so and our growth is still going well?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

Because debt is... What, a good thing?

[Conserative Morality]

And does that make a difference when you yanks compare YOUR country to individual countries?

I use GDP (PPP).

[Glorious Homeland]

It can be compared in many ways, like GDP, economic growth and such. The point is that the one thing those in the USA who are scathing about across the pond; the economy, and how apparently the USA's more laissez faire economics is superior, and how the welfare system and things like universal healthcare will break or bankrupt a state or make it economically less powerful? Recent figures disagree with that assessment.

Population of the EU: 501 million

Population of the US: 300 million

Differences in GDP: 2.2 trillion

Riiight.

I wonder what it'll be like when the eastern bloc members develop to a western standard. Can you hazard a guess?

Developing countries grow faster economically than developed countries... your statement seems a bit off in this respect.

I wonder what it'll be like when the eastern bloc members develop to a western standard. Can you hazard a guess?

I wonder what it'll be like when one of the Eastern bloc members has a massive internal failure, like Greece, and the rest of the member states have to perform another bailout.

Care to hazard a guess?

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Hasn't broken economic growth given our disappointing Greek performance, has it? Point is, developing and underdeveloped eastern bloc countries will have faster growth rates than the developed western ones, that will help contribute to the average.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Hopefully as our economy improve, we'll stop being xenophobic.

Fat chance that will happen, but I'm optimistic.

[Arthropoda Ingens]

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

There's only a minority that gives a shit about Europe's supposed 'Progressiveness', and a large part of said minority just so happens to consist of left-ish Americans.

A good European majority will happily cheer you on if you mock said American left-ish folks for their delusional rose-tinted view of Europe.

Oh, I don't know; we can apparently manage large welfare systems that empower the poor, reduce income inequality, raise opportunity, and yet also grow faster post-recession AND have a bigger GDP than the USA? How is that rose-tinted?
Unless you're measuring American success in terms of negative growth and income inequality? That must be it.

Are you illiterate or something?

The point is that recent figures are proving American's economic approach inferior to ours, in general. We can be progressive socially and economically progressive too. Why can't the USA be both? Lazy Americans? That's what the right put the poor down to anyway isn't it? Laziness, I guess Americans must just be much lazier than the average European, if they can't manage decent social provisions and economic expansion?

Congrats, that's now twice in a row that you're not getting what I was referring to. Some self-delusional sense of importance that makes you feel addressed when you really... Well... Weren't?

Though, even acknowledging this, you still failed to read & comprehend the post, anyway.

[North Suran]

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Because everyone remembers how the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" was greeted with open arms by all.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

It stays the same, because they're still poor as shit and will be for a while.

I don't think you look at the post you answered properly.

[Caninope]

The EU already is a greater economic force than the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

IMF GDP estimates 2009
EU: 16.4trl USD
USA: 14.2trl USD

Given the enlargement of the EU into eastern Europe, strong growth can be expected in future years as well, and the growth we're seeing here is being led by Germany too. So, basically you're talking shit

The EU is hardly a united force. You can't compare a loose collection of States and the USA.

Combine the USA, Canada and Mexico and you have a higher GDP.

Yes, it's NAFTA.

[Conserative Morality]

Hasn't broken economic growth given our disappointing Greek performance, has it? Point is, developing and underdeveloped eastern bloc countries will have faster growth rates than the developed western ones, that will help contribute to the average.

And that still won't do crap for PPP.

[Valkenburg aan de Geul]

They can grow at that rate for decades and not match the US economically...

The EU already is a greater economic force than the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

IMF GDP estimates 2009
EU: 16.4trl USD
USA: 14.2trl USD

Given the enlargement of the EU into eastern Europe, strong growth can be expected in future years as well, and the growth we're seeing here is being led by Germany too. So, basically you're talking shit

1 country versus 44747747474 countries...
Ill take my chances.

America is 50 states, the EU is 30-40 states.

[Glorious Homeland]

What's that America? A group of countries with large spending on universal healthcare and welfare policies are growing much faster economically post-recession than you? *dances*

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

Hopefully as our economy improve, we'll stop being xenophobic.

Fat chance that will happen, but I'm optimistic.

Besides, does he forget the KKK? In the UK second generation black immigrants generally earn more than their white peers. In the USA blacks in general earn less than their white peers. Don't think our friend can comment as if the USA is magically tolerant....

And does that make a difference when you yanks compare YOUR country to individual countries?

I use GDP (PPP).

It's an interesting difference, admittedly.

Lol Greece. Also Italy is a bit shit. Interesting how that's so and our growth is still going well?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

Because debt is... What, a good thing?

It's not, of course not, but Britain is tackling it's deficit right now, and the USA has shown no signs of tackling it's deficit for the past 30 years since Regan.

[Caninope]

It can be compared in many ways, like GDP, economic growth and such. The point is that the one thing those in the USA who are scathing about across the pond; the economy, and how apparently the USA's more laissez faire economics is superior, and how the welfare system and things like universal healthcare will break or bankrupt a state or make it economically less powerful? Recent figures disagree with that assessment.

Population of the EU: 501 million

Population of the US: 300 million

Differences in GDP: 2.2 trillion

Riiight.

And does that make a difference when you yanks compare YOUR country to individual countries?

Yes, because there are only two European countries consistently ahead in GDP (PPP) per capita.

[Glorious Homeland]

The EU already is a greater economic force than the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

IMF GDP estimates 2009
EU: 16.4trl USD
USA: 14.2trl USD

Given the enlargement of the EU into eastern Europe, strong growth can be expected in future years as well, and the growth we're seeing here is being led by Germany too. So, basically you're talking shit

The EU is hardly a united force. You can't compare a loose collection of States and the USA.

Combine the USA, Canada and Mexico and you have a higher GDP.

Yes, it's NAFTA.

NAFTA is more equivalent to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_F ... ssociation or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area Although I don't believe NAFTA has quite the legislative powers that the EU has, for instance.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

The EU already is a greater economic force than the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

IMF GDP estimates 2009
EU: 16.4trl USD
USA: 14.2trl USD

Given the enlargement of the EU into eastern Europe, strong growth can be expected in future years as well, and the growth we're seeing here is being led by Germany too. So, basically you're talking shit

The EU is hardly a united force. You can't compare a loose collection of States and the USA.

Combine the USA, Canada and Mexico and you have a higher GDP.

Yes, it's NAFTA.

You can't compare a an agreement to a political/economic organization.

[Call to power]

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

racism is good for the economy!

*goes about ordering 10,000 KKK outfits to improve worker morale and efficiency*

1 country versus 44747747474 countries...
Ill take my chances.

to be fair if we are talking economics then it is the Eurozone not Germany and the like

but your argument that Germany has an economy smaller than America is a bit silly I believe the articles site reasons for strong growth with which America should seek to emulate somehow (once one thing starts inflating others do too I guess) its also a good look at how the world economy is currently doing

Oh, so you're changing the topic, because you won't admit the USA isn't as economically powerful as the EU?

stop this before I start bringing up the nasty EU things

We with our national health services and welfare states are apparently better at economic growth than "land of the free" USA?

and yet Germany is one of the more liberal EU states compared to other states such as the UK or sNorway

there is also no connection stop trolling

The USA can't handle large market crashes

and yet the US has a history of bouncing back stronger and harder than the EU states because of its more liberal policies towards hiring and the like (shall I start bring up entrepreneurship?)

I wonder what it'll be like when the eastern bloc members develop to a western standard. Can you hazard a guess?

Poland being a massive twat.

[Glorious Homeland]

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

racism is good for the economy!

*goes about ordering 10,000 KKK outfits to improve worker morale and efficiency*

1 country versus 44747747474 countries...
Ill take my chances.

to be fair if we are talking economics then it is the Eurozone not Germany and the like

but your argument that Germany has an economy smaller than America is a bit silly I believe the articles site reasons for strong growth with which America should seek to emulate somehow (once one thing starts inflating others do too I guess) its also a good look at how the world economy is currently doing

Oh, so you're changing the topic, because you won't admit the USA isn't as economically powerful as the EU?

stop this before I start bringing up the nasty EU things

We with our national health services and welfare states are apparently better at economic growth than "land of the free" USA?

and yet Germany is one of the more liberal EU states compared to other states such as the UK or sNorway

there is also no connection stop trolling

The USA can't handle large market crashes

and yet the US has a history of bouncing back stronger and harder than the EU states because of its more liberal policies towards hiring and the like (shall I start bring up entrepreneurship?)

I wonder what it'll be like when the eastern bloc members develop to a western standard. Can you hazard a guess?

Poland being a massive twat.

Haha! I approve of your post even though it isn't exactly supportive of me. It's not trolling, it's a good time to use a good example, to point out that those who believe the USA's system is flawlessly superior are wrong. The welfare state? Universal healthcare? banking regulation? These can all sit comfortably, and sometimes out-perform their competition. But look at all the responses; not a single "well, yeah that may be bad... that may need improvement." from their side, apparently. Our British debt could be better, we're fixing that now. Our system could be better in so many ways, but for now it's plodding along alright. The EU could definitely use a few reforms.
But if I come across a bit brutish, just to point out the blazingly obvious that none of them can accept or admit? So be it. They apparently can't handle the idea that their system is wrong or inferior. Defensiveness... hah! That kind of mentality will cripple themselves long term, that helps no one.

What's that Europe? A group of supposedly 'progressive' countries experiencing massive xenophobia to the point of considering oppression of minorities?

There's only a minority that gives a shit about Europe's supposed 'Progressiveness', and a large part of said minority just so happens to consist of left-ish Americans.

A good European majority will happily cheer you on if you mock said American left-ish folks for their delusional rose-tinted view of Europe.

Oh, I don't know; we can apparently manage large welfare systems that empower the poor, reduce income inequality, raise opportunity, and yet also grow faster post-recession AND have a bigger GDP than the USA? How is that rose-tinted?
Unless you're measuring American success in terms of negative growth and income inequality? That must be it.

Are you illiterate or something?

The point is that recent figures are proving American's economic approach inferior to ours, in general. We can be progressive socially and economically progressive too. Why can't the USA be both? Lazy Americans? That's what the right put the poor down to anyway isn't it? Laziness, I guess Americans must just be much lazier than the average European, if they can't manage decent social provisions and economic expansion?

Congrats, that's now twice in a row that you're not getting what I was referring to. Some self-delusional sense of importance that makes you feel addressed when you really... Well... Weren't?

Though, even acknowledging this, you still failed to read & comprehend the post, anyway.

You're trying to dismiss the original post by saying it only appeases some "minorities". The point is the aforementioned successes, not to distract from them to say "oh well it doesn't really matter, this is just about your sense of entitlement or empowerment". No, it's because I'm sick of hearing reams of shit about how the American system is economically better, and how our welfare states are useless, and all that, while we're actually doing quite damn good right now considering; especially in direct contrast to the USA. But no, America's always better because... well, for some reason we can't measure in GDP or income inequality, or even number of people in prison or things like that. Because apparently those sorts of measurements are irrelevant! My initial point is not insubstantial, you can attempt to dismiss it all you like; but that's not an accurate assessment.