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Postby Heinleinites » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:31 am

“When people ask for advice, they don’t actually want advice. What they want is for you to rubber-stamp the decision they’ve already made.”
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Do you give advice? I do. I tend to run my mouth pretty freely, actually. This is partly because I’m a fascinating man with a wide variety of life experiences, and partly because I know everything about everything. (N.B. for literalists and people pretending to have Asperger’s: that was a joke.) As a function of me freely running my mouth, I tend to hand out a lot of advice, some of which is asked for, and some of which is provided unsolicited, as a public service. Now, there’s an art to handing out advice. A technique, if you will, that distinguishes the classic and selfless purveyor of valuable information from the random mumbling nutbag often found on street corners and public transportation. (And because I know that someone who thinks they’re clever will at this point ask ‘which one are you again?’ I’ll go ahead and allow that I’m the first one, and not the second.)

There are two major points you have to keep in mind when giving advice. First, you have to know the people involved. If you don’t know the people involved, you’re just saying random things to strangers, which pretty much edges you into mumbling nutbag territory. Secondly, you have to listen. Even if they’re boring, you still have to listen. Listening is the key to giving good(or sometimes, for your own entertainment, comically bad)advice. If you’re giving unsolicited advice, just fire it on out there, maybe preface it with a ‘you know what, here’s what ya oughta do…’ If the advice is solicited, on the other hand, you can put a little more into it. Like with a magician, people appreciate a little show, it makes them feel they’re getting their money's worth.

1. Start by leaning back in your chair. If you like, and you’re not too fat or too clumsy, maybe tip it back onto two legs. This indicates that you’re looking at The Big Picture, and appreciating their problem’s place in The Wider Scope of Things.

2. Narrow your eyes. This indicates that you’re bringing all of your considerable brain-power to bear on the problem. You may also wish to make some sort of sucking sound with your teeth, to indicate that you’re thinking really hard.

3. After a couple of minutes or so, lean forward again and/or let your chair thump back onto all four legs. This indicates that you’re come to a decision, and are now ready to render a verdict in the case of Person You Know v. Problem.

4. Extend your dominant hand and wag your index finger in their general direction. This focuses their attention and primes them for the pearls of wisdom you’re about to bestow. Then preface your remarks with one of the following phrases: ‘I tell you what…’; ‘You know what you oughta do…’ or ‘Here’s what you oughta do…’ These aren’t strictly necessary, but it’s a nice little formality before the chaos, kind of like how The Star-Spangled Banner is played before a Lions game.

5. Depending on the kind of advice handed out, it may be necessary to add some sort of disclaimer. These may include, but are not limited to, such statements as ‘You do know how to tie a tourniquet, right?’; ‘If you get caught, I don’t know you.’; ‘but that’s just me...’ or ‘I’m not a lawyer, though.’

Although it should be pointed out that you will hardly ever see that last one appended to advice given on the Internet, although you will see its opposite thrown about quite freely.
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Postby Dunroaming » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:32 am

Yes. I am paid to give advice. I am a lawyer.

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Postby Indeos » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:34 am

All of those tips are just how to manipulate people, which shouldn't be the primary purpose of giving advice.

That said, I give solicited advice quite often, to people I know fairly well.
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Postby Logasiri » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:36 am

I've given advice in the past, mostly about which game to buy, relationship advice. Nowadays, it's all about homework. You can't imagine how many dumbasses will pay $15 per assignment.
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Postby Georgism » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:36 am

Only if I'm asked to. If so, I'll tell them what I really think unless I'm trying to get off with them. Then I'll just tell them what they want to hear. It's not like they'll follow my advice either way :P
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Postby Galloism » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:36 am

I recommend you never give advice.

I don't for very good reason.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:38 am

Giving advice is indeed a bad idea, 'tis fun though.
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Postby Georgism » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:39 am

Galloism wrote:I recommend you never give advice.

I don't for very good reason.

Which is? :)
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:40 am

My favorite kind of advice to give is unhelpful advice. :)
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Postby Brauzillia » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:44 am

when people have a tough time, I give them bs advice they'll believe, it'll work and i'll forget

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:51 am

I try not to unless it's asked of me. And even then, I shy away from it most of the time. You never know if your advice (and I'm referring to myself) will do more harm than good.
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Postby SaintB » Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:52 am

If someone asks for advice I generally tell them what I would do.

If its not serious I make something up.

I never tell people what they should do.
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Postby Heinleinites » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:07 am

I give advice, as I've said, but I don't really expect people to heed it. I just sort of fire it out there and let people do what they want with it. Sort of like how JaMarcus Russell plays football, with the main difference being I don't have a ridiculous first name.

Examples of advice I've given:

"Life's too short to be messing with those crazy women. You gotta kick all that crazy to the curb at the first opportunity, or else you'll wake up one day and find she's carved her name into your chest so you'll always be together, or something equally insane."

"Be nice. Always be nice...until it's time to not be nice. And when it's that time, you'll know." Admittedly, I stole that one from Roadhouse, but it's still good advice.

"A chick that will cheat on someone else with you, will cheat on you with someone else."

"A man who does not treat you well does not love you. If he loved you, he'd treat you well, and you know it."

"If he hit you once, he'll hit you again. It doesn't matter how sorry he is between-times, or what he swears on about not doing it again, all it'll take is one bad day, and POW!, you're wearing sunglasses and telling people you ran into a door again."
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Postby Ermarian » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:09 am

Galloism wrote:I recommend you never give advice.

I don't for very good reason.


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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:27 am

I used to. But people just want to listen to what they want to hear. So I don't like to now.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:35 pm

I try not to give advice unless pressed. When pressed, I drive for a 'Make your own decision' in the nicest possible manner. I'm uncomfortable enough with the results of my own decisions, I'd prefer to not get stressed out about the decisions of others as well.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:40 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:I try not to give advice unless pressed. When pressed, I drive for a 'Make your own decision' in the nicest possible manner. I'm uncomfortable enough with the results of my own decisions, I'd prefer to not get stressed out about the decisions of others as well.

Will you let me make your decisions for you? :twisted:
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Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:41 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:Will you let me make your decisions for you? :twisted:

Well, you see, the thing is, well look at the time, I have to go, looks like you'll have to answer that yourself. *flees*
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:41 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Will you let me make your decisions for you? :twisted:

Well, you see, the thing is, well look at the time, I have to go, looks like you'll have to answer that yourself. *flees*

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Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
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Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

I accuse your precious law class of statutory rape.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:43 pm

I generally refrain from giving clear-cut advice. I prefer to apply maieutics.
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Postby Chrobalta » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:46 pm

I generally give opinionated analysis of the situation, but I usually don't outright tell somebody what they should do.
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Postby Unscrupulous oranges » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:48 pm

Well, my go-to answer for everything is "Kick/bite (him/her/it)!" I will give actual advice if it is requested of me, but I don't really expect anyone to listen. They usually don't, but then I get to say "I told you so" later, which I enjoy.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:52 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:My favorite kind of advice to give is unhelpful advice. :)

Same here. Hilariously bad advice is my favourite kind.
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Postby Regiria » Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:17 pm

Heinleinites wrote:“When people ask for advice, they don’t actually want advice. What they want is for you to rubber-stamp the decision they’ve already made.”
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:22 pm

For a long time I used to feel guilty whenever I gave people what turned out to be bad advice. Or as I like to call it - advice.

Now I just say the first thing that comes to my head. Usually it doesn't make sense, and if it does happen to have any relevance to the issue then anyone who knows me and still asks me for advice pretty much deserves whatever they get.
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