"Ground Zero" mosque approved, Obama supports

[Dass Alte Reich]

Ok... reading your post. Is worse in my opinion than watching Palin or Nikki Haley talk on TV. Capitalism is a bad idea that has been implemented correctly with a Democratic system ensuring that big businesses aren't the governing body who would more than likely strip you of all your rights to ensure that you can't do shit against them.

Communism however, is a good idea that hs been incorrectly implemented with a totalitarian system that did not do what the people wanted. The USSR did strip the people of many of their rights and made sure that the people couldn't challenge the government's authority. You need a Democratic political system to ensure that what the people want is done but the Democracy must be controlled and must have a direct voice from the people to prevent mindless, political infighting from political workers (i.e. the US system).

Communism is an ideal that is impossible simply because you're never going to create a classless society. You can't enforce it without having something backing up the world simply doesn't work perfectly.

Capitalism is an imperfect system that can be ripe for abuse and greed. However it can also allow people to go from being poor to living in luxury. Light Consumerism is a good thing it allows for entertainment and technological advancement.

Heck it's why we have the improvements in computers we have now because some one wanted it and some else thought they could make money off it. Let me ask you this who deserves to make more money the scientist who creates a new drug or the factory worker who manufactures that drug for distribution?

THIS^^^ He's better at using words then I am....but pretty much what I was trying to say with the whole Bill Gates comparison.

[Canada Provinces]

Sorry, but what in the world does this have to do with Communism? We are talking about the decision for the Mosque.....

[Montanaa]

I don't know if this is a very good idea, putting a place of worship for the Muslim community nearby a very sacred ground to some Americans would cause an outrage and it probably wouldn't last long there. Also, isn't their a separation of Church and State? Would this count towards the Mosque to? Should the government really be putting their opinion or standing with this issue out there?

It probably wont last long there? Why? Because someone might attack the mosque? We should avoid it because someone might commit a hate crime?

And sure there's separation of church and state. Obama isn't building the mosque, he isn't mandating its building. He's endorsing that building it there would not be a bad thing, that it represents the truth of America. Separation of church and state means the government can't endorse or favor a religion... it doesn't mean it can't support the freedoms America was built on.

Okay America was built on freedom of Religion, and they have their rights no matter their religion, but still its GROUND ZERO!!!! Not McDonalds on Broadway, or some Toys R Us in the Bronx. This would be a big hit on Obama's part. HE NEEDS to realize that America was attacked by people who believed we are INFIDELS! People think it will tell them, you win. We give up.

It's not being built on the ruins of the WTC. It's being built on top of an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory two city-blocks away.
Also, the people building the new Mosque don't think we're infidels. They're Americans and civilized humans too. How is it a victory for them and we give up because of it?

[Enadail]

I don't know if this is a very good idea, putting a place of worship for the Muslim community nearby a very sacred ground to some Americans would cause an outrage and it probably wouldn't last long there. Also, isn't their a separation of Church and State? Would this count towards the Mosque to? Should the government really be putting their opinion or standing with this issue out there?

It probably wont last long there? Why? Because someone might attack the mosque? We should avoid it because someone might commit a hate crime?

And sure there's separation of church and state. Obama isn't building the mosque, he isn't mandating its building. He's endorsing that building it there would not be a bad thing, that it represents the truth of America. Separation of church and state means the government can't endorse or favor a religion... it doesn't mean it can't support the freedoms America was built on.

Okay America was built on freedom of Religion, and they have their rights no matter their religion, but still its GROUND ZERO!!!! Not McDonalds on Broadway, or some Toys R Us in the Bronx. This would be a big hit on Obama's part. HE NEEDS to realize that America was attacked by people who believed we are INFIDELS! People think it will tell them, you win. We give up.

People will think that if they think Muslims are inherently evil. Obama realizes that America was attacked by terrorists... not Muslims. First, the community center is not at ground zero, its 2 blocks away. Second, the Muslims involved in the community center had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. Lastly, if anything, this say to the extremists that we will not give in to hatred and fear, we will not let these attacks change what America means, that America has always and will always represent freedom for all people, regardless of race, religion, creed, that America is as strong as ever and nothing they can do can defeat us.

Or you could give in to the fear and think that a religious center of American citizens is the problem.

[Canada Provinces]

I don't know if this is a very good idea, putting a place of worship for the Muslim community nearby a very sacred ground to some Americans would cause an outrage and it probably wouldn't last long there. Also, isn't their a separation of Church and State? Would this count towards the Mosque to? Should the government really be putting their opinion or standing with this issue out there?

It probably wont last long there? Why? Because someone might attack the mosque? We should avoid it because someone might commit a hate crime?

And sure there's separation of church and state. Obama isn't building the mosque, he isn't mandating its building. He's endorsing that building it there would not be a bad thing, that it represents the truth of America. Separation of church and state means the government can't endorse or favor a religion... it doesn't mean it can't support the freedoms America was built on.

Okay America was built on freedom of Religion, and they have their rights no matter their religion, but still its GROUND ZERO!!!! Not McDonalds on Broadway, or some Toys R Us in the Bronx. This would be a big hit on Obama's part. HE NEEDS to realize that America was attacked by people who believed we are INFIDELS! People think it will tell them, you win. We give up.

It's not being built on the ruins of the WTC. It's being built on top of an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory two city-blocks away.
Also, the people building the new Mosque don't think we're infidels. They're Americans and civilized humans too. How is it a victory for them and we give up because of it?

First of all I know that its not being built on WTC. But still, we are at war with people of that religion. I am sorry, I will not say those people don't deserve their place of worship, but that would make me very uncomfortable if it was there would it not you?

[Union Soviet Socialist]

Ok... reading your post. Is worse in my opinion than watching Palin or Nikki Haley talk on TV. Capitalism is a bad idea that has been implemented correctly with a Democratic system ensuring that big businesses aren't the governing body who would more than likely strip you of all your rights to ensure that you can't do shit against them.

Communism however, is a good idea that hs been incorrectly implemented with a totalitarian system that did not do what the people wanted. The USSR did strip the people of many of their rights and made sure that the people couldn't challenge the government's authority. You need a Democratic political system to ensure that what the people want is done but the Democracy must be controlled and must have a direct voice from the people to prevent mindless, political infighting from political workers (i.e. the US system).

Communism is an ideal that is impossible simply because you're never going to create a classless society. You can't enforce it without having something backing up the world simply doesn't work perfectly.

Capitalism is an imperfect system that can be ripe for abuse and greed. However it can also allow people to go from being poor to living in luxury. Light Consumerism is a good thing it allows for entertainment and technological advancement.

Heck it's why we have the improvements in computers we have now because some one wanted it and some else thought they could make money off it. Let me ask you this who deserves to make more money the scientist who creates a new drug or the factory worker who manufactures that drug for distribution?

If Communism is unachievable... I would rather attempt to make something like it.

But in aboslute Capitalism where there was no laws to protect workers or people from the power of big businesses, slavery would still greatly be in use. In a true Capitalist society, you would have the few who own businesses and have money and the many how own nothing and work as slaves due to the absentiness of civil rights and worker's rights. I would be a serf or be a subject of forced labour due to the fact that all business look for the cheapiest labour avalible to make the most products for the least amount of money.

Current Capitalist societies are strictly regulated and have many civil and worker's rights due to a Democratic political system that relies on the workers to vote for their leader. In a Socialist or Communist society, everyone would earn the same wage and the entire society would require a team effort to prosper. So to make a Communist or Socialist society work you need to tell them how they can make more money... by working hard and keeping your co-workers on their toes due to the fact they if one worker is not doing his best then he is costing everyone money.

Also... to anwser your last question. If I must choose one or the other, I would choose the worker due to the fact that he actually does the hard part of making the product due to the fact that once a product has been designed and is being produced then there is little more the scientist can due but make a new product. The worker is from then on out making the product non-stop to meet the demand for the product coming from the consumers. A scientist is always looking for something to work on while the worker always has something to do.

[Enadail]

I don't know if this is a very good idea, putting a place of worship for the Muslim community nearby a very sacred ground to some Americans would cause an outrage and it probably wouldn't last long there. Also, isn't their a separation of Church and State? Would this count towards the Mosque to? Should the government really be putting their opinion or standing with this issue out there?

It probably wont last long there? Why? Because someone might attack the mosque? We should avoid it because someone might commit a hate crime?

And sure there's separation of church and state. Obama isn't building the mosque, he isn't mandating its building. He's endorsing that building it there would not be a bad thing, that it represents the truth of America. Separation of church and state means the government can't endorse or favor a religion... it doesn't mean it can't support the freedoms America was built on.

Okay America was built on freedom of Religion, and they have their rights no matter their religion, but still its GROUND ZERO!!!! Not McDonalds on Broadway, or some Toys R Us in the Bronx. This would be a big hit on Obama's part. HE NEEDS to realize that America was attacked by people who believed we are INFIDELS! People think it will tell them, you win. We give up.

It's not being built on the ruins of the WTC. It's being built on top of an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory two city-blocks away.
Also, the people building the new Mosque don't think we're infidels. They're Americans and civilized humans too. How is it a victory for them and we give up because of it?

First of all I know that its not being built on WTC. But still, we are at war with people of that religion. I am sorry, I will not say those people don't deserve their place of worship, but that would make me very uncomfortable if it was there would it not you?

Ok, no, sorry, you're an idiot. We ARE NOT at war with Islam... we never were, we never have been. I am NOT AT ALL uncomfortable with them getting a place to worship... at least no more then I am with any place of worship. They have every right to be there, and I fully support their right to be there, as I would any religious building there. I no more fear Muslims then I do Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, any faith.

[Montanaa]

I don't know if this is a very good idea, putting a place of worship for the Muslim community nearby a very sacred ground to some Americans would cause an outrage and it probably wouldn't last long there. Also, isn't their a separation of Church and State? Would this count towards the Mosque to? Should the government really be putting their opinion or standing with this issue out there?

It probably wont last long there? Why? Because someone might attack the mosque? We should avoid it because someone might commit a hate crime?

And sure there's separation of church and state. Obama isn't building the mosque, he isn't mandating its building. He's endorsing that building it there would not be a bad thing, that it represents the truth of America. Separation of church and state means the government can't endorse or favor a religion... it doesn't mean it can't support the freedoms America was built on.

Okay America was built on freedom of Religion, and they have their rights no matter their religion, but still its GROUND ZERO!!!! Not McDonalds on Broadway, or some Toys R Us in the Bronx. This would be a big hit on Obama's part. HE NEEDS to realize that America was attacked by people who believed we are INFIDELS! People think it will tell them, you win. We give up.

It's not being built on the ruins of the WTC. It's being built on top of an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory two city-blocks away.
Also, the people building the new Mosque don't think we're infidels. They're Americans and civilized humans too. How is it a victory for them and we give up because of it?

First of all I know that its not being built on WTC. But still, we are at war with people of that religion. I am sorry, I will not say those people don't deserve their place of worship, but that would make me very uncomfortable if it was there would it not you?

You seemed to be implying that it was being built on the site, so I answered as such.
Second, your point about us being at war with people who practice Islam factors in how?
Just because some Koreans or Chinese in the Korean War practiced Buddhism the government of then was to keep Buddhist Temples from being built? That's incredibly stupid when you think that people half-way across the world preach violence and claim their religion spurs them, while people in America can't practice their own way peacefully because of that.
And no, it would not make me uncomfortable. It would be just another place of worship for another religion. I would walk by and not give it a second look.

[JJ Place]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10973459

Obama defends right to build mosque near 9/11 site

US President Barack Obama has staunchly defended controversial plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero in New York.

Opponents have protested against the construction of an Islamic cultural centre and mosque several hundred feet away from the site of the Twin Towers.

Mr Obama acknowledged "sensitivities" surround the 9/11 site, but said Muslims have the same right to practise their religion "as anyone else".

"Our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable," Mr Obama said.

Since a New York developer announced plans to build a 13-storey Islamic community centre and mosque about two blocks from the former World Trade Center site, prominent Republican politicians and a host of conservative pundits have attacked the project.

Some relatives of people killed in the terror attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001 are also opposed to the plan.
'Stab in the heart'

In a speech at a White House dinner celebrating Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, Mr Obama waded into the row, saying:

"We must all recognise and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan, Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground. But let me be clear, as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practise their religion as anyone else in this country.
The proposed mosque site in New York The site of the proposed mosque is about two blocks from the former World Trade Center

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community centre on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are."

He told the group of US Congressmen, government officials and foreign dignitaries that America's tradition of religious tolerance distinguishes it from "our enemies".

"Al-Qaeda's cause is not Islam," he said, "it is a gross distortion of Islam".

Until now Mr Obama had not commented on the mosque row, with the White House saying that the matter was a local issue.

In voicing his support for the right to build the centre, Mr Obama joins New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who had been the only prominent politician to endorse it.

Opponents of the building project have called for investigations into its backers and financing. In New York, opponents sought unsuccessfully to have the building currently at the mosque site granted landmark protection status, in an effort to hinder development.

Former US House of Representatives speaker Newt Gingrich dubbed the plan an "assertion of Islamist triumphalism" and has denounced it in speeches.

Former Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin wrote that "to build a mosque at Ground Zero is a stab in the heart of the families of the innocent victims of those horrific attacks".

Proving at last that he is a Kenyan Muslim, Obama publicly disagreed with Republicans and right wing talking-heads while at dinner with his comrade Muslims.

But seriously, was it wise for Obama to weigh in on this? Personally I think that if the White House had kept its mouth shut for too much longer it would start to get questionable. Clearly this story has worked up national attention. Whether this will help or hurt Obama is obviously hard to say. So naturally NSG already knows.

Yes, Obama has the right to his opinion; and I complete agree with him on this one; there is no reason why these people should not be allowed to construct a building with their own money on their own private property.

[Geniasis]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10973459

Obama defends right to build mosque near 9/11 site

US President Barack Obama has staunchly defended controversial plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero in New York.

Opponents have protested against the construction of an Islamic cultural centre and mosque several hundred feet away from the site of the Twin Towers.

Mr Obama acknowledged "sensitivities" surround the 9/11 site, but said Muslims have the same right to practise their religion "as anyone else".

"Our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable," Mr Obama said.

Since a New York developer announced plans to build a 13-storey Islamic community centre and mosque about two blocks from the former World Trade Center site, prominent Republican politicians and a host of conservative pundits have attacked the project.

Some relatives of people killed in the terror attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001 are also opposed to the plan.
'Stab in the heart'

In a speech at a White House dinner celebrating Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, Mr Obama waded into the row, saying:

"We must all recognise and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan, Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground. But let me be clear, as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practise their religion as anyone else in this country.
The proposed mosque site in New York The site of the proposed mosque is about two blocks from the former World Trade Center

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community centre on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are."

He told the group of US Congressmen, government officials and foreign dignitaries that America's tradition of religious tolerance distinguishes it from "our enemies".

"Al-Qaeda's cause is not Islam," he said, "it is a gross distortion of Islam".

Until now Mr Obama had not commented on the mosque row, with the White House saying that the matter was a local issue.

In voicing his support for the right to build the centre, Mr Obama joins New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who had been the only prominent politician to endorse it.

Opponents of the building project have called for investigations into its backers and financing. In New York, opponents sought unsuccessfully to have the building currently at the mosque site granted landmark protection status, in an effort to hinder development.

Former US House of Representatives speaker Newt Gingrich dubbed the plan an "assertion of Islamist triumphalism" and has denounced it in speeches.

Former Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin wrote that "to build a mosque at Ground Zero is a stab in the heart of the families of the innocent victims of those horrific attacks".

Proving at last that he is a Kenyan Muslim, Obama publicly disagreed with Republicans and right wing talking-heads while at dinner with his comrade Muslims.

But seriously, was it wise for Obama to weigh in on this? Personally I think that if the White House had kept its mouth shut for too much longer it would start to get questionable. Clearly this story has worked up national attention. Whether this will help or hurt Obama is obviously hard to say. So naturally NSG already knows.

I read somewhere that the people wanting to build the Mosque don't own the property they want to build it on.

I read somewhere that John McCain was actually a Vietnamese Manchurian candidate.

I read somewhere that that was just one of Obama's secret Muslim schemes.

I read somewhere that Glenn Beck is the bastard son of a Muslim Imam.

[Lathuria]

I agree with Obama's decision, but I think the Muslim's could have picked a different place for the Mosque. They may not mean to do it, but it's kind of like this. "Scoreboard, Scoreboard! Muslims, 2,976! US, 0!"
Also, I think that the white house should have stayed out of this one. The government yet again stands behind another religion..... which should be a choice of the people and of no concern to the fat-cats in office.

[Canada Provinces]

I don't know if this is a very good idea, putting a place of worship for the Muslim community nearby a very sacred ground to some Americans would cause an outrage and it probably wouldn't last long there. Also, isn't their a separation of Church and State? Would this count towards the Mosque to? Should the government really be putting their opinion or standing with this issue out there?

It probably wont last long there? Why? Because someone might attack the mosque? We should avoid it because someone might commit a hate crime?

And sure there's separation of church and state. Obama isn't building the mosque, he isn't mandating its building. He's endorsing that building it there would not be a bad thing, that it represents the truth of America. Separation of church and state means the government can't endorse or favor a religion... it doesn't mean it can't support the freedoms America was built on.

Okay America was built on freedom of Religion, and they have their rights no matter their religion, but still its GROUND ZERO!!!! Not McDonalds on Broadway, or some Toys R Us in the Bronx. This would be a big hit on Obama's part. HE NEEDS to realize that America was attacked by people who believed we are INFIDELS! People think it will tell them, you win. We give up.

It's not being built on the ruins of the WTC. It's being built on top of an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory two city-blocks away.
Also, the people building the new Mosque don't think we're infidels. They're Americans and civilized humans too. How is it a victory for them and we give up because of it?

First of all I know that its not being built on WTC. But still, we are at war with people of that religion. I am sorry, I will not say those people don't deserve their place of worship, but that would make me very uncomfortable if it was there would it not you?

Ok, no, sorry, you're an idiot. We ARE NOT at war with Islam... we never were, we never have been. I am NOT AT ALL uncomfortable with them getting a place to worship... at least no more then I am with any place of worship. They have every right to be there, and I fully support their right to be there, as I would any religious building there. I no more fear Muslims then I do Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, any faith.

Why are we even arguing over this? We aren't going to have any say in the final decision if it happens or not, unless one of you is a politician that has a lot of free time, which I highly doubt. Plus I know we aren't at war with Islam. I was saying we are at war with people who practice that religion,terrorists, not common people on the street. I am NOT an idiot either. I am expressing my feelings on the subject at hand in the words I choose. If you think they are wrong. To bad.

[Geniasis]

First of all I know that its not being built on WTC. But still, we are at war with people of that religion. I am sorry, I will not say those people don't deserve their place of worship, but that would make me very uncomfortable if it was there would it not you?

Extremely hot women make me uncomfortable (because I get nervous and tongue-tied. It happens to a lot of guys. Shut up.) but I would be a fool to ban them.

[The Black Forrest]

I don't know if this is a very good idea, putting a place of worship for the Muslim community nearby a very sacred ground to some Americans would cause an outrage and it probably wouldn't last long there.

Sacred ground? Maybe to the families. There is nothing sacred about it. I never understood this thing about calling death heroic. It was a tragedy and should be remembered as such.

The greater tragedy is throwing away our values because of what happened. If the towers had remained; nobody would have cared the center went up. In fact people would have been happy to see it.

Also, isn't their a separation of Church and State? Would this count towards the Mosque to? Should the government really be putting their opinion or standing with this issue out there?

The Establishment clause would come into play if the President picked up the tab to build the place. The Establishment clause doesn't forbid politicians to have opinions.

Okay America was built on freedom of Religion, and they have their rights no matter their religion, but still its GROUND ZERO!!!! Not McDonalds on Broadway, or some Toys R Us in the Bronx. This would be a big hit on Obama's part. HE NEEDS to realize that America was attacked by people who believed we are INFIDELS! People think it will tell them, you win. We give up.

Ground zero will loose it's meaning in time. The effect will lesson just as it did for the Maine, the Alamo, Pearl Harbor.

Question: Couldn't it be argued we didn't rebuild the towers even bigger than before be an admission of defeat or at the least fear?

First of all I know that its not being built on WTC. But still, we are at war with people of that religion. I am sorry, I will not say those people don't deserve their place of worship, but that would make me very uncomfortable if it was there would it not you?

Of that Religion? Those people?

Your spots are starting to show.

Sorry I don't punish a whole group for the actions of a few.

[Canada Provinces]

I don't know if this is a very good idea, putting a place of worship for the Muslim community nearby a very sacred ground to some Americans would cause an outrage and it probably wouldn't last long there.

Sacred ground? Maybe to the families. There is nothing sacred about it. I never understood this thing about calling death heroic. It was a tragedy and should be remembered as such.

The greater tragedy is throwing away our values because of what happened. If the towers had remained; nobody would have cared the center went up. In fact people would have been happy to see it.

Also, isn't their a separation of Church and State? Would this count towards the Mosque to? Should the government really be putting their opinion or standing with this issue out there?

The Establishment clause would come into play if the President picked up the tab to build the place. The Establishment clause doesn't forbid politicians to have opinions.

Okay America was built on freedom of Religion, and they have their rights no matter their religion, but still its GROUND ZERO!!!! Not McDonalds on Broadway, or some Toys R Us in the Bronx. This would be a big hit on Obama's part. HE NEEDS to realize that America was attacked by people who believed we are INFIDELS! People think it will tell them, you win. We give up.

Ground zero will loose it's meaning in time. The effect will lesson just as it did for the Maine, the Alamo, Pearl Harbor.

Question: Couldn't it be argued we didn't rebuild the towers even bigger than before be an admission of defeat or at the least fear?

First of all I know that its not being built on WTC. But still, we are at war with people of that religion. I am sorry, I will not say those people don't deserve their place of worship, but that would make me very uncomfortable if it was there would it not you?

Of that Religion? Those people?

Your spots are starting to show.

Sorry I don't punish a whole group for the actions of a few.

I'm not either! I am saying do you not think it would make them think we are winning.

[Enadail]

I don't know if this is a very good idea, putting a place of worship for the Muslim community nearby a very sacred ground to some Americans would cause an outrage and it probably wouldn't last long there.

Sacred ground? Maybe to the families. There is nothing sacred about it. I never understood this thing about calling death heroic. It was a tragedy and should be remembered as such.

The greater tragedy is throwing away our values because of what happened. If the towers had remained; nobody would have cared the center went up. In fact people would have been happy to see it.

Also, isn't their a separation of Church and State? Would this count towards the Mosque to? Should the government really be putting their opinion or standing with this issue out there?

The Establishment clause would come into play if the President picked up the tab to build the place. The Establishment clause doesn't forbid politicians to have opinions.

Okay America was built on freedom of Religion, and they have their rights no matter their religion, but still its GROUND ZERO!!!! Not McDonalds on Broadway, or some Toys R Us in the Bronx. This would be a big hit on Obama's part. HE NEEDS to realize that America was attacked by people who believed we are INFIDELS! People think it will tell them, you win. We give up.

Ground zero will loose it's meaning in time. The effect will lesson just as it did for the Maine, the Alamo, Pearl Harbor.

Question: Couldn't it be argued we didn't rebuild the towers even bigger than before be an admission of defeat or at the least fear?

First of all I know that its not being built on WTC. But still, we are at war with people of that religion. I am sorry, I will not say those people don't deserve their place of worship, but that would make me very uncomfortable if it was there would it not you?

Of that Religion? Those people?

Your spots are starting to show.

Sorry I don't punish a whole group for the actions of a few.

I'm not either! I am saying do you not think it would make them think we are winning.

Nope, like I said before, if anything, it shows we won't let them win.

[The Black Forrest]

I'm not either! I am saying do you not think it would make them think we are winning.

It doesn't matter what they think.

It matters that we should not abandon our principles. It matters that people should have the ability to say the Iraq war is bullshit or the US should not be defending Israel. It matters we should be able to move around without living through the scrutiny of others prejudices. It matters that we should not be told to be afraid and to hate.

This so called war can't be won only by soldiers and smart bombs. We will need "those people" to help us deal with people that would do us harm for ideological reasons.

[Canada Provinces]

I'm not either! I am saying do you not think it would make them think we are winning.

It doesn't matter what they think.

It matters that we should not abandon our principles. It matters that people should have the ability to say the Iraq war is bullshit or the US should not be defending Israel. It matters we should be able to move around without living through the scrutiny of others prejudices. It matters that we should not be told to be afraid and to hate.

This so called war can't be won only by soldiers and smart bombs. We will need "those people" to help us deal with people that would do us harm for ideological reasons.

I don't want us to abandon our principles either, I wants us to think about what is happening. This will cause a major problem in the community around Ground Zero. Families will be outraged. What if your family, besides you, where killed in 9/11? Would you want them to put it there?

[The Black Forrest]

I'm not either! I am saying do you not think it would make them think we are winning.

It doesn't matter what they think.

It matters that we should not abandon our principles. It matters that people should have the ability to say the Iraq war is bullshit or the US should not be defending Israel. It matters we should be able to move around without living through the scrutiny of others prejudices. It matters that we should not be told to be afraid and to hate.

This so called war can't be won only by soldiers and smart bombs. We will need "those people" to help us deal with people that would do us harm for ideological reasons.

I don't want us to abandon our principles either, I wants us to think about what is happening. This will cause a major problem in the community around Ground Zero. Families will be outraged. What if your family, besides you, where killed in 9/11? Would you want them to put it there?

Then you should support the Mosque. They are trying to reach out to people and show they aren't the boogie man.

I have family that lives near there. I had friends who worked in the towers. None were lost. I spent a few days guiding an effort to help a Malaysian friend track down his fiance who had business in the towers.

I want them to build on their land.

The ideologues will have won if we allow prejudice and emotion to dictate what people can and can't do. Where they can live and where they can worship......

[Megady]

Obama is a muslim! idc what anyone says!

[Canada Provinces]

I'm not either! I am saying do you not think it would make them think we are winning.

It doesn't matter what they think.

It matters that we should not abandon our principles. It matters that people should have the ability to say the Iraq war is bullshit or the US should not be defending Israel. It matters we should be able to move around without living through the scrutiny of others prejudices. It matters that we should not be told to be afraid and to hate.

This so called war can't be won only by soldiers and smart bombs. We will need "those people" to help us deal with people that would do us harm for ideological reasons.

I don't want us to abandon our principles either, I wants us to think about what is happening. This will cause a major problem in the community around Ground Zero. Families will be outraged. What if your family, besides you, where killed in 9/11? Would you want them to put it there?

Then you should support the Mosque. They are trying to reach out to people and show they aren't the boogie man.

I have family that lives near there. I had friends who worked in the towers. None were lost. I spent a few days guiding an effort to help a Malaysian friend track down his fiance who had business in the towers.

I want them to build on their land.

The ideologues will have won if we allow prejudice and emotion to dictate what people can and can't do. Where they can live and where they can worship......

Well I am happy for you and your friend that you found their fiance, but this isn't about them. This is about the people who where affected. People who where killed in that attack on America. I think personally we should let them decide.

[The Black Forrest]

Obama is a muslim! idc what anyone says!

And did you know he was black?

[The Black Forrest]

I'm not either! I am saying do you not think it would make them think we are winning.

It doesn't matter what they think.

It matters that we should not abandon our principles. It matters that people should have the ability to say the Iraq war is bullshit or the US should not be defending Israel. It matters we should be able to move around without living through the scrutiny of others prejudices. It matters that we should not be told to be afraid and to hate.

This so called war can't be won only by soldiers and smart bombs. We will need "those people" to help us deal with people that would do us harm for ideological reasons.

I don't want us to abandon our principles either, I wants us to think about what is happening. This will cause a major problem in the community around Ground Zero. Families will be outraged. What if your family, besides you, where killed in 9/11? Would you want them to put it there?

Then you should support the Mosque. They are trying to reach out to people and show they aren't the boogie man.

I have family that lives near there. I had friends who worked in the towers. None were lost. I spent a few days guiding an effort to help a Malaysian friend track down his fiance who had business in the towers.

I want them to build on their land.

The ideologues will have won if we allow prejudice and emotion to dictate what people can and can't do. Where they can live and where they can worship......

Well I am happy for you and your friend that you found their fiance, but this isn't about them. This is about the people who where affected. People who where killed in that attack on America. I think personally we should let them decide.

That's why we are supposed to have the Rule of Law. It's supposed to prevent Mob rule and vigilantism.....

There are victims families who support the Mosque.......

[Canada Provinces]

Obama is a muslim! idc what anyone says!

And did you know he was black?

Ok so this is a racism forum now......

[The Black Forrest]

Obama is a muslim! idc what anyone says!

And did you know he was black?

Ok so this is a racism forum now......

I would not wag that finger "those people" and "that Religion"

Mine is nothing more then sarcasm for a troll......