"Ground Zero" mosque approved, Obama supports

[Enadail]

I neighter agree nor disagree, but I can understand why he would want to stand behind the muslim faith, since he was raised to be one.

Prove this... its as big a piece of bull as claiming hes not a natural born citizen...

[American Capitalist]

I'm not really sure why we allow Republicans and Tea Baggers to speak against this Mosque, I mean, I know this country was built on freedom of speech and religion; but come on...

Honestly I'm glad we allow them to speak, it makes it alot easier to point out the idiots among us.

agaain that is not the issue.

you like the idiot mayor of NYC seem to think this is the ONLY mosque in NYC and it HAS to be built at the 9-11 site

It's not being built "at the 9-11 site". It's being built on Park (in fact the site is officially being called Park51 now) 2 blocks away.

Even if it was being built on Ground Zero itself as long as they own the property it would be their right to build a Mosque.

[Techno-Soviet]

The 19 people in those four planes did.

Four planes...not that many.

[Ashmoria]

The 19 people in those four planes did.

Four planes...not that many.

19 men and if you recall binladen laughed at some of them dying without knowing that they were on a suicide mission instead of a standard hijacking. so maybe 8 of them were in on the secret.

[The Lone Alliance]

3. What about the hundreds of other islamic terrorist groups? Al-Qaeda is not the only one.
Your numbers are way off.

Like I said above, Hamas thought the whole thing was moronic and basically had the opinion of "This is so going to backfire" (Heck the Palestineans who weren't cheering were going "Oh **** they're going to be pissed")
Taliban condemned it (But said "Not our fault")
Libya condemned it.
Saddam was a dick about it but later apologized some people.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oc ... fghanistan

The Iranians were completely upset and actually originally helped us in the invasion of Afghanistan.
(Candle light vigil in Iran over 9/11 victims:
http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoes ... gil/2.html
)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 377914.stm
Basically even the ones that DO hate the US had the opinion of "That's crossing the line"

Then Again Al Qaeda really doesn't care, they've killed more Muslims in Iraq than the US soldiers have,
Their master plan basic consists of:
1."Cause violence and fear around the world"
2. ???
3.Global Islamic government (Or as the joke goes "Profit")

[Tekania]

I'm not really sure why we allow Republicans and Tea Baggers to speak against this Mosque, I mean, I know this country was built on freedom of speech and religion; but come on...

Honestly I'm glad we allow them to speak, it makes it alot easier to point out the idiots among us.

I was humorously making a jab relating to Eric Cantor's interview when asked about the Mosque.

That man is a embarrassment to my state.

That man is an embarassment to America as a whole, let alone our state. Of course, it's no surprise considering the region he represents... He certainly isn't my congressman, as I am just outside of his district, and instead am represented by Bobby Scott over in District 3.

[Amigard]

Amazing how well the Terrorists worked.
They're still terrified after all these years.

I think we can safely say that the terrorists have one.
Half the country's scared shitless, completely irrational and ready to show the east exactly why they should hate them.

Well we had to replace the Cold War with something...

[Tekania]

I neighter agree nor disagree, but I can understand why he would want to stand behind the muslim faith, since he was raised to be one.

Or maybe, like many people in here, he simply supports peoples rights to freedom of religious belief and worship.

[Ashmoria]

I'm not really sure why we allow Republicans and Tea Baggers to speak against this Mosque, I mean, I know this country was built on freedom of speech and religion; but come on...

Honestly I'm glad we allow them to speak, it makes it alot easier to point out the idiots among us.

I was humorously making a jab relating to Eric Cantor's interview when asked about the Mosque.

That man is a embarrassment to my state.

That man is an embarassment to America as a whole, let alone our state. Of course, it's no surprise considering the region he represents... He certainly isn't my congressman, as I am just outside of his district, and instead am represented by Bobby Scott over in District 3.

it is a sadness to me that this rather good looking man who has a voice to die for is such a dick.

[New Wallonochia]

Like I said above, Hamas thought the whole thing was moronic and basically had the opinion of "This is so going to backfire" (Heck the Palestineans who weren't cheering were going "Oh **** they're going to be pissed")
Taliban condemned it (But said "Not our fault")
Libya condemned it.
Saddam was a dick about it but later apologized some people.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oc ... fghanistan

The Iranians were completely upset and actually originally helped us in the invasion of Afghanistan.
(Candle light vigil in Iran over 9/11 victims:
http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoes ... gil/2.html
)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 377914.stm
Basically even the ones that DO hate the US had the opinion of "That's crossing the line"

Then Again Al Qaeda really doesn't care, they've killed more Muslims in Iraq than the US soldiers have,
Their master plan basic consists of:
1."Cause violence and fear around the world"
2. ???
3.Global Islamic government (Or as the joke goes "Profit")

None of that matters. What matters is that Muslims are evil murderers who are both willing and able to subjugate the West and impose Sharia law and if we don't destroy Islam they'll destroy us. Anything that contradicts these essential truths is liberal propaganda and is to be ignored.

[Tekania]

I'm not really sure why we allow Republicans and Tea Baggers to speak against this Mosque, I mean, I know this country was built on freedom of speech and religion; but come on...

Honestly I'm glad we allow them to speak, it makes it alot easier to point out the idiots among us.

agaain that is not the issue.

you like the idiot mayor of NYC seem to think this is the ONLY mosque in NYC and it HAS to be built at the 9-11 site

It's not being built "at the 9-11 site". It's being built on Park (in fact the site is officially being called Park51 now) 2 blocks away.

Even if it was being built on Ground Zero itself as long as they own the property it would be their right to build a Mosque.

Well, yeah... I just enjoy correcting people who are attempting to claim it is to garner support (from buffoons).

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I neighter agree nor disagree, but I can understand why he would want to stand behind the muslim faith, since he was raised to be one.

I would rant here, but I would totally get banned.

Then do us all a favor and rant away.

You just don't learn, do you? Take a day off and rethink your approach here. *** 1-day Ban *** for continued baiting.

[Ashmoria]

Like I said above, Hamas thought the whole thing was moronic and basically had the opinion of "This is so going to backfire" (Heck the Palestineans who weren't cheering were going "Oh **** they're going to be pissed")
Taliban condemned it (But said "Not our fault")
Libya condemned it.
Saddam was a dick about it but later apologized some people.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oc ... fghanistan

The Iranians were completely upset and actually originally helped us in the invasion of Afghanistan.
(Candle light vigil in Iran over 9/11 victims:
http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoes ... gil/2.html
)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 377914.stm
Basically even the ones that DO hate the US had the opinion of "That's crossing the line"

Then Again Al Qaeda really doesn't care, they've killed more Muslims in Iraq than the US soldiers have,
Their master plan basic consists of:
1."Cause violence and fear around the world"
2. ???
3.Global Islamic government (Or as the joke goes "Profit")

None of that matters. What matters is that Muslims are evil murderers who are both willing and able to subjugate the West and impose Sharia law and if we don't destroy Islam they'll destroy us. Anything that contradicts these essential truths is liberal propaganda and is to be ignored.

yeah we have to destroy the constitution to save america!

[Mad hatters in jeans]

yeah sure, religious tolerance shouldn't be sidelined for a minority of extremists who hijack religious sentiments.

I'm curious on a different topic, as this isn't really news. what will the big O do with the "war" on drugs? i find this topic more important.

[Mytannion]

Peoples right to worship who they want, and practice their relgions is fine, and should be fine.

However, building this mosque so close to 'Ground Zero' isn't right, in my opinion anyway, because thousands of people lost family, and thousands of people lost their lives. Mainly because of the people who flew the plane into the world trade centre - who were muslims. I've nothing against muslims at all, but killing people, isn't right at all. No matter what they've done to you, there is no reasoning or justification for this. And I feel, Americans deserve to have this site, kept clear, of anything and especially something that represents the people who did this - so they can go and remember their family/friends in peace.

[Tekania]

Like I said above, Hamas thought the whole thing was moronic and basically had the opinion of "This is so going to backfire" (Heck the Palestineans who weren't cheering were going "Oh **** they're going to be pissed")
Taliban condemned it (But said "Not our fault")
Libya condemned it.
Saddam was a dick about it but later apologized some people.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oc ... fghanistan

The Iranians were completely upset and actually originally helped us in the invasion of Afghanistan.
(Candle light vigil in Iran over 9/11 victims:
http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoes ... gil/2.html
)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 377914.stm
Basically even the ones that DO hate the US had the opinion of "That's crossing the line"

Then Again Al Qaeda really doesn't care, they've killed more Muslims in Iraq than the US soldiers have,
Their master plan basic consists of:
1."Cause violence and fear around the world"
2. ???
3.Global Islamic government (Or as the joke goes "Profit")

None of that matters. What matters is that Muslims are evil murderers who are both willing and able to subjugate the West and impose Sharia law and if we don't destroy Islam they'll destroy us. Anything that contradicts these essential truths is liberal propaganda and is to be ignored.

yeah we have to destroy the constitution to save america!

The Bush doctrine, the best way to protect freedom is to vacuum seal it into plastic bags and lock it away where the petty peasants can't get their grubby little hands on it.

[Sarzonia]

I was humorously making a jab relating to Eric Cantor's interview when asked about the Mosque.

That man is a embarrassment to my state.

Not like Ken Cuccinelli is.

And I certainly don't think Eric Cantor is as embarrassing to your state as Ken Phelps is to Kansas.

[Ashmoria]

Peoples right to worship who they want, and practice their relgions is fine, and should be fine.

However, building this mosque so close to 'Ground Zero' isn't right, in my opinion anyway, because thousands of people lost family, and thousands of people lost their lives. Mainly because of the people who flew the plane into the world trade centre - who were muslims. I've nothing against muslims at all, but killing people, isn't right at all. No matter what they've done to you, there is no reasoning or justification for this. And I feel, Americans deserve to have this site, kept clear, of anything and especially something that represents the people who did this - so they can go and remember their family/friends in peace.

NYC is a very big city. you cant even see the mosque site from ground zero.

how far away would it have to be in order for the muslims of that area to worship god "right"?

[Buffett and Colbert]

Peoples right to worship who they want, and practice their relgions is fine, and should be fine.

However, building this mosque so close to 'Ground Zero' isn't right, in my opinion anyway, because thousands of people lost family, and thousands of people lost their lives. Mainly because of the people who flew the plane into the world trade centre - who were muslims. I've nothing against muslims at all, but killing people, isn't right at all. No matter what they've done to you, there is no reasoning or justification for this. And I feel, Americans deserve to have this site, kept clear, of anything and especially something that represents the people who did this - so they can go and remember their family/friends in peace.

Killing people isn't right.

How many Muslims who will visit that centre do you think have murdered?

[Amigard]

Peoples right to worship who they want, and practice their relgions is fine, and should be fine.

However, building this mosque so close to 'Ground Zero' isn't right, in my opinion anyway, because thousands of people lost family, and thousands of people lost their lives. Mainly because of the people who flew the plane into the world trade centre - who were muslims. I've nothing against muslims at all, but killing people, isn't right at all. No matter what they've done to you, there is no reasoning or justification for this. And I feel, Americans deserve to have this site, kept clear, of anything and especially something that represents the people who did this - so they can go and remember their family/friends in peace.

NYC is a very big city. you cant even see the mosque site from ground zero.

how far away would it have to be in order for the muslims of that area to worship god "right"?

/\ this...what sort of protective radius needs to be established around ground zero?

[Tellend]

1. Wikipedia is not a source.
2. The 1,000 membership was from 2001, has definitly grown since then.
3. What about the hundreds of other islamic terrorist groups? Al-Qaeda is not the only one.

Your numbers are way off.

1. I disagree about wikipedia, but several thousand is definitely the high end (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/07/sb-al-qaeda-new-members-badly-needed-1151963690 This is the source for Wikipedia. I'm using that.) I'll stick to wikipedia for the rest.
2. Alright, 100,000 members (No way is it, and those other groups combined that big). that leaves 0.00006%. no wait, 1 million. 0.0006% Still way less than the Nazi percentage (0.8%). I'm pretty sure you couldn't fill Philly with Al-Qaeda.

My numbers are all way off, but they are off in favor of the people who think Muslim=Al-Qaeda, but still come out the other way by a large margin. The exact numbers aren't so much the point as the general idea that Al-Qaeda is smaller compared to muslims than Nazis to Christians in the 1940's. If I really cared enough, I would find the absolute exact numbers, and they would still support my point. My math is probably off too, you should check it.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

I think, personally, that he would have been better off not commenting on it at all. Though religious freedom should extend to ALL religions, this is a center-right country and this issue is going to come off as Obama going against the majority of public opinion. Again.

I dare you to point out something he is doing against the majority of public opinion and be right.

Suing the State of Arizona, for starters? I'm not saying that the lawsuit isn't justified, all I'm saying is that a majority of the public disapproves of the lawsuit. That's one?

I haven't heard of any public opinion polls on that specifically, perhaps you can provide one?

[Pandarchy]

yeah sure, religious tolerance shouldn't be sidelined for a minority of extremists who hijack religious sentiments.

It shouldn't be, but you can bet your bootie that Congressmembers will be elected because they promised to do just that. They won't actually do it (because it's unconstitutional) but they'll do other dumb stuff in their term.

So it's worth arguing against this "ban the Mosque!" BS even if it can't ever happen.

I'm curious on a different topic, as this isn't really news. what will the big O do with the "war" on drugs? i find this topic more important.

Read up on it, and start a thread.

[Tekania]

Peoples right to worship who they want, and practice their relgions is fine, and should be fine.

However, building this mosque so close to 'Ground Zero' isn't right, in my opinion anyway, because thousands of people lost family, and thousands of people lost their lives. Mainly because of the people who flew the plane into the world trade centre - who were muslims. I've nothing against muslims at all, but killing people, isn't right at all. No matter what they've done to you, there is no reasoning or justification for this. And I feel, Americans deserve to have this site, kept clear, of anything and especially something that represents the people who did this - so they can go and remember their family/friends in peace.

1. If you've nothing against Muslims, why oppose the building?
2. You've admitted it isn't on the site, so what is this about "keeping the site clear". It's not "at the site" it is blocks away... Are we supposed to kick everyone out and just demolish every building in a 2-3 block radius? Would you like us to go further, maybe cordon off all of Manhattan Island as a Ground Zero memorial zone?
3. People who are involved in this Mosque also lost family in the towers on 9-11. Why are their dead marginalized by you like this?
4. Many of the people involved in this Mosque project are Americans too, why do you hate America?

[Islamic Hazarastan]

1. Wikipedia is not a source.
2. The 1,000 membership was from 2001, has definitly grown since then.
3. What about the hundreds of other islamic terrorist groups? Al-Qaeda is not the only one.

Your numbers are way off.

1. I disagree about wikipedia, but several thousand is definitely the high end (http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/07/sb-al-qaeda-new-members-badly-needed-1151963690 This is the source for Wikipedia. I'm using that.) I'll stick to wikipedia for the rest.
2. Alright, 100,000 members (No way is it, and those other groups combined that big). that leaves 0.00006%. no wait, 1 million. 0.0006% Still way less than the Nazi percentage (0.8%). I'm pretty sure you couldn't fill Philly with Al-Qaeda.

My numbers are all way off, but they are off in favor of the people who think Muslim=Al-Qaeda, but still come out the other way by a large margin. The exact numbers aren't so much the point as the general idea that Al-Qaeda is smaller compared to muslims than Nazis to Christians in the 1940's. If I really cared enough, I would find the absolute exact numbers, and they would still support my point. My math is probably off too, you should check it.

Yeah but I bet there were allot more Christians killing Nazi's in WWII than there is Muslims killing Al Qaeda terrorists. Also Heil Hitler and the calling him de fuhrer(Lord) goes against a basic tenet of Christianity.

Killing innocents and trying to force religion on others goes against the basic tenets of Islam.

Also, our army attacked terrorists in Pakistan.