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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:09 pm

Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

just like christians and jews?


Not really, there hasn't been any major Jewish or Christian terrorist activity on a worldwide scale, unless you go back a long time ago.
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Postby Tungookska » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:10 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

just like christians and jews?


Not really, there hasn't been any major Jewish or Christian terrorist activity on a worldwide scale, unless you go back a long time ago.

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Postby Tekania » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:10 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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UnitedStatesOfAmerica- wrote:Interesting. Mosque or community center. The name does not matter. It is how it used that matters. If it is intended as a holy site, the government cannot ban it.
I find it interesting that the same people who are whining about the building of a Muslim prayer building have no problems strip clubs right next to ground zero and teen girls going there to prostitute themselves. Nor do they seem to have any problems with people being mugged there.


Strippers and prostitutes aren't known for holy wars and blowing themselves up.


Neither, generally, are Manhattan native Muslims, nor the members of and advisers for the Cordoba Initiative.



All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"


Yes, and from my Seminary Coursework, they're not the only ones who have zealots known for killing a lot of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations".
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:12 pm

Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

just like christians and jews?


Not really, there hasn't been any major Jewish or Christian terrorist activity on a worldwide scale, unless you go back a long time ago.

israel?


Israel carrys out global attacks on multiple country's and civilian targets? I'd like to mention there not out to commit genocide against Islamic followers
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Postby Hegstoria » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:13 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

just like christians and jews?


Not really, there hasn't been any major Jewish or Christian terrorist activity on a worldwide scale, unless you go back a long time ago.

israel?


Israel carrys out global attacks on multiple country's and civilian targets? I'd like to mention there not out to commit genocide against Islamic followers

Gaza Strip? Settlement plans?
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:14 pm

Hegstoria wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

just like christians and jews?


Not really, there hasn't been any major Jewish or Christian terrorist activity on a worldwide scale, unless you go back a long time ago.

israel?


Israel carrys out global attacks on multiple country's and civilian targets? I'd like to mention there not out to commit genocide against Islamic followers

Gaza Strip? Settlement plans?


Gaza they usually leave but then they get shot at so they have to go back into the strip and settlement plans please as if that's a really terrible murderous act, i admit its not very nice but not terrorist lol.
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Postby Bluth Corporation » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:15 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

just like christians and jews?


Not really, there hasn't been any major Jewish or Christian terrorist activity on a worldwide scale, unless you go back a long time ago.

israel?


Israel carrys out global attacks on multiple country's and civilian targets? I'd like to mention there not out to commit genocide against Islamic followers


You mean like sending secret agents into Argentina, without the Argentines' knowledge, to abduct Adolf Eichmann?

Eichmann was hardly a paragon of virtue, but one country sending agents into a second country without the second country's permission to abduct a national of yet a third country is hardly typical behavior.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:17 pm

Bluth Corporation wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

just like christians and jews?


Not really, there hasn't been any major Jewish or Christian terrorist activity on a worldwide scale, unless you go back a long time ago.

israel?


Israel carrys out global attacks on multiple country's and civilian targets? I'd like to mention there not out to commit genocide against Islamic followers


You mean like sending secret agents into Argentina, without the Argentines' knowledge, to abduct Adolf Eichmann?

Eichmann was hardly a paragon of virtue, but one country sending agents into a second country without the second country's permission to abduct a national of yet a third country is hardly typical behavior.


That's not really terrorist behavior many nations have agencys that carry out those kind of operations regularly and if that's the best you got on Israel I'm going to laugh.
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Postby Tungookska » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:19 pm

North Calaveras wrote: Israel carrys out global attacks on multiple country's and civilian targets?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Cle ... _Palestine
North Calaveras wrote: I'd like to mention there not out to commit genocide against Islamic followers

just the palestinians, because their 'holy book' says it is 'their land' or some silly thing like that

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Postby Hegstoria » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:19 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Hegstoria wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

just like christians and jews?


Not really, there hasn't been any major Jewish or Christian terrorist activity on a worldwide scale, unless you go back a long time ago.

israel?


Israel carrys out global attacks on multiple country's and civilian targets? I'd like to mention there not out to commit genocide against Islamic followers

Gaza Strip? Settlement plans?


Gaza they usually leave but then they get shot at so they have to go back into the strip and settlement plans please as if that's a really terrible murderous act, i admit its not very nice but not terrorist lol.

Yeah, it kinda is terrorism. They are inflicting terror into a group of people that they are specifically targeting.
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Postby Hegstoria » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:31 pm

Katganistan wrote:Translation: it's not terroristic if I approve of it.

Basically lol.
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Postby Chrobalta » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:33 pm

Katganistan wrote:Translation: it's not terroristic if I approve of it.

That is how the west has continually functioned. If we do something it is all fine and dandy, but should somebody do the same to us they are considered "terrorists".
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:34 pm

Believe what you want but most places with large percentages of Islamic followers tend to disregard others beliefs or are not very friendly to others. Everyday I hear about women being stoned, bombing attempts, insurgent attacks, beheadings, executions(including public), mass hate towards members of other faiths, the list goes on. There are good muslims out there but I wouldn't say there the majority.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:35 pm

Chrobalta wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Translation: it's not terroristic if I approve of it.

That is how the west has continually functioned. If we do something it is all fine and dandy, but should somebody do the same to us they are considered "terrorists".


says the dude who appears to be communist.
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Postby Whole Conviction » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:40 pm

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Whole Conviction wrote:Those 'provocative' statements, and everything else he's ever said, have been echoed from inside the US by people on the left and the right (including Glenn Beck and, I believe, Ron Paul). They just stick to him more because he's a Muslim, I guess. Well, part of his job is to help create interfaith understanding. You don't do that by being a loyal agent of one side. You have to see both sides, and that necessarily involves seeing flaws and benefits of both.


I'm a US Veteran and I've been making "provocative" statements about out US foreign policy even as far back as 1995 during my active duty time. And share with both Rauf and Beck (at least Beck from April) that our own policies have made us an accessory to the 9/11 attacks. Some on the right may not like to hear it; but it's just speaking truly about it. We spent alot of money and time empowering the people who attacked us, especially under the guise of opposing communism in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

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Postby Whole Conviction » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:42 pm

North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

Certain Islamic sects do. Or rather, certain terrorist cells that claim to be motivated by Islam do. Just because you can't tell the difference between them doesn't mean the difference doesn't exist. It just means you have to look closer.

If I were to judge all Christians by the Westboro Baptist Church, I would be just as wrong. I advise you to recognise that you are committing a logical fallacy and to think again.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:43 pm

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North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

Certain Islamic sects do. Or rather, certain terrorist cells that claim to be motivated by Islam do. Just because you can't tell the difference between them doesn't mean the difference doesn't exist. It just means you have to look closer.

If I were to judge all Christians by the Westboro Baptist Church, I would be just as wrong. I advise you to recognise that you are committing a logical fallacy and to think again.


lol the the westerboro baptist church is how many people strong again? and How many terrorist acts have they commited? and how many governments have supported them?
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Postby Whole Conviction » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:04 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Whole Conviction wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

Certain Islamic sects do. Or rather, certain terrorist cells that claim to be motivated by Islam do. Just because you can't tell the difference between them doesn't mean the difference doesn't exist. It just means you have to look closer.

If I were to judge all Christians by the Westboro Baptist Church, I would be just as wrong. I advise you to recognise that you are committing a logical fallacy and to think again.


lol the the westerboro baptist church is how many people strong again? and How many terrorist acts have they commited? and how many governments have supported them?

*sighs* I'll take that as a no. Look, that's a difference of degree, not kind. The qeustion is not 'how many of them are there', but 'how is THIS group related to THAT group'.

The church downt he road is not related to WBC. To make the judgement of how good they are, I'd have to go and check them out. It's a lot more effort, and I need to know something about Christian theology to do so, but if I just assume that because they both call themselves Christian they're the same... I'd be wrong.

Similarly, the way to resolve this is to actually find out about this group, instead of assuming 'they call themselves Muslim, therefore they are the same as these other people who call themselves Muslim'....

It's a logical fallacy and you're caught up in it. I actually feel somewhat distressed for you.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:13 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Chrobalta wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Translation: it's not terroristic if I approve of it.

That is how the west has continually functioned. If we do something it is all fine and dandy, but should somebody do the same to us they are considered "terrorists".


says the dude who appears to be communist.


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Postby North Suran » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:09 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Chrobalta wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Translation: it's not terroristic if I approve of it.

That is how the west has continually functioned. If we do something it is all fine and dandy, but should somebody do the same to us they are considered "terrorists".


says the dude who appears to be communist.

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Postby DaWoad » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:39 pm

North Suran wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Chrobalta wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Translation: it's not terroristic if I approve of it.

That is how the west has continually functioned. If we do something it is all fine and dandy, but should somebody do the same to us they are considered "terrorists".


says the dude who appears to be communist.

The next time someone asks me for the definition of an ad hominem, I'll just quote this.

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Postby Zephie » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:42 pm

DaWoad wrote:
North Suran wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Chrobalta wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Translation: it's not terroristic if I approve of it.

That is how the west has continually functioned. If we do something it is all fine and dandy, but should somebody do the same to us they are considered "terrorists".


says the dude who appears to be communist.

The next time someone asks me for the definition of an ad hominem, I'll just quote this.

If you can't attack the argument attack the poster!

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Postby Whole Conviction » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:14 am

Zephie wrote:
DaWoad wrote:
North Suran wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Chrobalta wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Translation: it's not terroristic if I approve of it.

That is how the west has continually functioned. If we do something it is all fine and dandy, but should somebody do the same to us they are considered "terrorists".


says the dude who appears to be communist.

The next time someone asks me for the definition of an ad hominem, I'll just quote this.

If you can't attack the argument attack the poster!

It's like MTG.

North Suran's life pool is looking pretty healthy after the attack!
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:51 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Whole Conviction wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:All im saying is that Islam has the nasty habit of killing lots of people and causing problems over "misinterpretations"

Certain Islamic sects do. Or rather, certain terrorist cells that claim to be motivated by Islam do. Just because you can't tell the difference between them doesn't mean the difference doesn't exist. It just means you have to look closer.

If I were to judge all Christians by the Westboro Baptist Church, I would be just as wrong. I advise you to recognise that you are committing a logical fallacy and to think again.


lol the the westerboro baptist church is how many people strong again? and How many terrorist acts have they commited? and how many governments have supported them?

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