"Ground Zero" mosque approved, Obama supports

[Augarundus]

1. It's not a mosque, it's an interfaith community center than houses a Mosque.
2. Supports Hamas? Source.
3. Believes jews were responsible for 9/11? Source. I know someone he used to employ said that, after they fled the US... but not Mr. Rauf
4. OMG, he has associations with... two college professors.
5. OMG they are sending an aid boat to Gaza, along with a shit load of support from alot of well respected peace and Veterans organizations.

1) It's a place of prayer. The difference between that and a mosque is the difference between a chapel and a church.

2) I provided a source...

3) Sorry, that was his employee and friend who said that (I don't think he fled the US, though).

4) ... Two terrorists who bombed the Pentagon, dozens of banks, and plotted, through the Weather Underground, to facilitate a communist revolution, overthrow the US government, and kill 10% of the population (all the 'die hard capitalists' as they called them).

5) You honestly believe that the flotilla before, which had weapons, HAMAS members, and no aid whatsoever (and the members on board were beating Israeli soldiers with pipes), and was organized by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (unrepentant terrorists who, at least in the case of Ayers, wish they "could have done more"... meaning, bomb more buildings and start a communist takeover) was an AID FLOTILLA?

[Gift-of-god]

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2) I provided a source...

...that showed he was a neighbour to groups that are suspected of being tied to Hamas.

[East Canuck]

This is a slap to the faces of those who went through that bombing and lost their loved ones.

I didn't think anyone died in the bombing.....

There should be a line drawn with the religious freedoms part of this country.

Why do you hate the constitution?

I meant a slap in the face to those who lost their loved ones.

I don't hate the constitution. I don't like the current goverment that controls our constitution.
It's just disrespectful and selfish in my own opinion.

I'm taking your post as an example, I don't have anything agaisnt you personnaly.

Those who use that argument, where were they when president Bush used their loved ones to launch a war? Where were they when Bush & co. used the memory of their loved ones to remove many rights for "security", where are they when people like Beck use the memory of their loved ones topush their ideology?

If you have to be upset about someone using ground zero, I don't think they should get upset about a community center 9 years after the fact. If their wounds are still raw, it's because their government keep harping about it every month.

It's a little late to become upset all of a sudden.

[Ifreann]

Didn't I already ask you for a load of sources on this kind of thing? I don't remember you getting back to me on that....

Imam is a radical.

My god! A group he's associated with shares office space with CAIR! How is he not in prison, he's obviously responsible for the deaths of billions of Americans!

He's friends with this guy.

So?

And the Audacity of Hope sets sail in September.

I don't see what that has to do with Feisal Abdul Rauf.

[Ifreann]

This is a slap to the faces of those who went through that bombing and lost their loved ones.

I didn't think anyone died in the bombing.....

There should be a line drawn with the religious freedoms part of this country.

Why do you hate the constitution?

I meant a slap in the face to those who lost their loved ones.

I got that. But I don't think anyone died in the bombing.

I don't hate the constitution. I don't like the current goverment that controls our constitution.
It's just disrespectful and selfish in my own opinion.

Yes you do. You want to draw a line with religious freedoms, in blatant opposition to the US Constitution. You can't pin that on Obama, that's all you.

[Tekania]

1) It's a place of prayer. The difference between that and a mosque is the difference between a chapel and a church.

By that definition, the US Pentagon is a Mosque.

2) I provided a source...

Renting an adjacent office does not equate to "support".

3) Sorry, that was his employee and friend who said that (I don't think he fled the US, though).

He fled the US after the 9/11 attacks.

4) ... Two terrorists who bombed the Pentagon, dozens of banks, and plotted, through the Weather Underground, to facilitate a communist revolution, overthrow the US government, and kill 10% of the population (all the 'die hard capitalists' as they called them).

One former terrorist. The other guy isn't a terrorist and never was.

5) You honestly believe that the flotilla before, which had weapons, HAMAS members, and no aid whatsoever (and the members on board were beating Israeli soldiers with pipes), and was organized by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (unrepentant terrorists who, at least in the case of Ayers, wish they "could have done more"... meaning, bomb more buildings and start a communist takeover) was an AID FLOTILLA?

The other flotilla had fucking aid, what fucking alternate universe have you been living in, it's certainly not ours.

[Horsefish]

1. It's not a mosque, it's an interfaith community center than houses a Mosque.
2. Supports Hamas? Source.
3. Believes jews were responsible for 9/11? Source. I know someone he used to employ said that, after they fled the US... but not Mr. Rauf
4. OMG, he has associations with... two college professors.
5. OMG they are sending an aid boat to Gaza, along with a shit load of support from alot of well respected peace and Veterans organizations.

1) It's a place of prayer. The difference between that and a mosque is the difference between a chapel and a church.

2) I provided a source...

3) Sorry, that was his employee and friend who said that (I don't think he fled the US, though).

4) ... Two terrorists who bombed the Pentagon, dozens of banks, and plotted, through the Weather Underground, to facilitate a communist revolution, overthrow the US government, and kill 10% of the population (all the 'die hard capitalists' as they called them).

5) You honestly believe that the flotilla before, which had weapons, HAMAS members, and no aid whatsoever (and the members on board were beating Israeli soldiers with pipes), and was organized by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (unrepentant terrorists who, at least in the case of Ayers, wish they "could have done more"... meaning, bomb more buildings and start a communist takeover) was an AID FLOTILLA?

4)Because your a friends with people who are terroists doesn't make you one. The friends of serial killers aren't held to account for their crimes so why should he?

5) I'd like to see proof for that. It's my understanding that the israeli soldiers fired first, whilst conducting an illegal boarding action and some of the group acted in defence.

And seriously wheres all this communism bullshit coming from? Islamic militants aren't genrally communist sympathesiers.

[Ifreann]

5) You honestly believe that the flotilla before, which had weapons, HAMAS members, and no aid whatsoever (and the members on board were beating Israeli soldiers with pipes), and was organized by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (unrepentant terrorists who, at least in the case of Ayers, wish they "could have done more"... meaning, bomb more buildings and start a communist takeover) was an AID FLOTILLA?

Unless Rauf is captaining one of the boats in that flotilla then I don't see what relevance its cargo has to this thread.

[Tekania]

1. It's not a mosque, it's an interfaith community center than houses a Mosque.
2. Supports Hamas? Source.
3. Believes jews were responsible for 9/11? Source. I know someone he used to employ said that, after they fled the US... but not Mr. Rauf
4. OMG, he has associations with... two college professors.
5. OMG they are sending an aid boat to Gaza, along with a shit load of support from alot of well respected peace and Veterans organizations.

1) It's a place of prayer. The difference between that and a mosque is the difference between a chapel and a church.

2) I provided a source...

3) Sorry, that was his employee and friend who said that (I don't think he fled the US, though).

4) ... Two terrorists who bombed the Pentagon, dozens of banks, and plotted, through the Weather Underground, to facilitate a communist revolution, overthrow the US government, and kill 10% of the population (all the 'die hard capitalists' as they called them).

5) You honestly believe that the flotilla before, which had weapons, HAMAS members, and no aid whatsoever (and the members on board were beating Israeli soldiers with pipes), and was organized by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (unrepentant terrorists who, at least in the case of Ayers, wish they "could have done more"... meaning, bomb more buildings and start a communist takeover) was an AID FLOTILLA?

4)Because your a friends with people who are terroists doesn't make you one. The friends of serial killers aren't held to account for their crimes so why should he?

5) I'd like to see proof for that. It's my understanding that the israeli soldiers fired first, whilst conducting an illegal boarding action and some of the group acted in defence.

And seriously wheres all this communism bullshit coming from? Islamic militants aren't genrally communist sympathesiers.

On the last part its quite the opposite actually. In fact, it's more likely for Islamic Militants to ally themselves with a capitalist nation than a communist one. Just take a look at the Afghan/Soviet War... the Islamic militants were allied with the US (said Militants grew up to be the 9/11 terrorists). Young pups like this dude may not realize this, as they have been living under rocks getting lies fed to them by asshats like Beck.

[Ifreann]

You know, a threadjack was just shut down, we really don't need to turn this into an Israel thread, guys.

[North Suran]

I know I will get shit for it -- but as much as I feel the symbolism of the Twin Towers was important -- they were pretty, shall we say, utilitarian upended shoe-boxy?

The funny thing is every architect and their mother loathed the design of the Twin Towers.

If they hadn't been destroyed by terrorists, they'd just be remembered as "those fugly twin filing cabinets".

[North Suran]

You know, a threadjack was just shut down, we really don't need to turn this into an Israel thread, guys.

Oh, but we must.

[Whole Conviction]

There's a lot of misinformation around about this guy. Any time a muslim cleric opens his mouth and says something not 100% supportive of America, he's a 'radical imam!' Even if he is 100% supportive of America, then he's just biding his time, obviously.

Take Glenn Beck. Another poster alluded to this. Beck attacked him for saying that the US' actions contributed to 9/11. Well, only a few months ago, the same sentiment was uttered... bY GLENN BECK. In fact, it was said in PRECISELY the same terms: that the US' alliances with despots and meddling in the affairs of other nations was one of the causes of 9/11. This did not mean that the US deserved to be attacked (a phrase echoed by Feisal), but that its own policies and actions made the attacks more likely.

Think twice, read more than one source, don't trust anything that doesn't provide direct quotes and links to its own sources.

[The Rich Port]

I know I will get shit for it -- but as much as I feel the symbolism of the Twin Towers was important -- they were pretty, shall we say, utilitarian upended shoe-boxy?

You probably will, but I remember watching a documentary about the towers before they were destroyed that pretty much said the same thing and how, when they were build, New Yorkers bitched about just how goddamn ugly they were and lacked style to go in their city.

Much like with musicians, despite any valid criticisms in "life," in "death" they are beyond reproach. If you think otherwise, you're an ebil muslim terrorist freedom hater.

... Did Bin Laden do New Yorkers a favor?

[Whole Conviction]

I know I will get shit for it -- but as much as I feel the symbolism of the Twin Towers was important -- they were pretty, shall we say, utilitarian upended shoe-boxy?

You probably will, but I remember watching a documentary about the towers before they were destroyed that pretty much said the same thing and how, when they were build, New Yorkers bitched about just how goddamn ugly they were and lacked style to go in their city.

Much like with musicians, despite any valid criticisms in "life," in "death" they are beyond reproach. If you think otherwise, you're an ebil muslim terrorist freedom hater.

... Did Bin Laden do New Yorkers a favor?

Doesn't look like it from here. Once upon a time they could just complain about them, now they have to put up with people having the image on bumper stickers and pretend like it's a holy site. It's like when MJ died and we had to pretend he was still relevant.

Edit: fuck, I mean, just look at me there. 'MJ'. I'd never even HEARD of him referred to by just the initials until he died, then suddenly it was everywhere. He'd transcended from a mere mortal into a ROCK GOD, able to be known only by his initials.

You know the really odd thing? Exactly one year prior to the 9/11 attacks, we had protests in Melbourne outside the World Trade Organisation metting. It was in our own World Trade Centre, on September 11 2000. To this day, I say 'Yeah, I was at the World Trade Centre protest on September 11' just to see what sort of odd looks I get.

[The Rich Port]

Doesn't look like it from here. Once upon a time they could just complain about them, now they have to put up with people having the image on bumper stickers and pretend like it's a holy site. It's like when MJ died and we had to pretend he was still relevant.

XDDDD He still is, ya know. We just have to pretend he wasn't a pedophile.

[Belfras]

It's not even at the bloody site anyway, it's a few blocks away!

it even says in the BIBLE to be tolerant and to show equality.

[North Suran]

Imam is a radical.

Wow.

You picked out the most biased source you could possibly find and it still didn't prove anything other than he was once in a office close to a CAIR building.

He's friends with this guy.

A Wikipedia article that doesn't even mention the Imam being friends with Khalidi is not a source.

And the Audacity of Hope sets sail in September.

Again, you pick out the worst, most biased sources you can find (Glenn Beck? "godless Israel-haters"? Really?) and neither of them even support your claim that Hamas is running this flotilla or Hamas members are taking part. Wow.

I see you have failed to even attempt to source the other claims in your original post; that the Imam supports Hamas, is a friend of Bill Ayers and believes the Jews were responsible for 9/11. Which is basically an admission that you pulled said claims straight out of your rectum.

[Ifreann]

It's not even at the bloody site anyway, it's a few blocks away!

it even says in the BIBLE to be tolerant and to show equality.

I very much doubt many people in opposition to this really care what the Bible says.

[The Rich Port]

It's not even at the bloody site anyway, it's a few blocks away!

it even says in the BIBLE to be tolerant and to show equality.

I very much doubt many people in opposition to this really care what the Bible says.

But they'll claim they sleep with it under their pillows. Naturally.

[Ifreann]

It's not even at the bloody site anyway, it's a few blocks away!

it even says in the BIBLE to be tolerant and to show equality.

I very much doubt many people in opposition to this really care what the Bible says.

But they'll claim they sleep with it under their pillows. Naturally.

Hard to read something under your pillow *nods*

[Dempublicents1]

1) It's a place of prayer. The difference between that and a mosque is the difference between a chapel and a church.

It is already a place of prayer. In the proposed building, only a small portion will be a place of prayer. The rest will house a gym, pool, library, restaurant, culinary school, auditorium, exhibit space, etc.

Right now, it is a mosque. If the plans are allowed to go forward, it will be much, much more.

[Enadail]

1) It's a place of prayer. The difference between that and a mosque is the difference between a chapel and a church.

It is already a place of prayer. In the proposed building, only a small portion will be a place of prayer. The rest will house a gym, pool, library, restaurant, culinary school, auditorium, exhibit space, etc.

Right now, it is a mosque. If the plans are allowed to go forward, it will be much, much more.

Right now, its a Burlington Coat Factory

[Dempublicents1]

1) It's a place of prayer. The difference between that and a mosque is the difference between a chapel and a church.

It is already a place of prayer. In the proposed building, only a small portion will be a place of prayer. The rest will house a gym, pool, library, restaurant, culinary school, auditorium, exhibit space, etc.

Right now, it is a mosque. If the plans are allowed to go forward, it will be much, much more.

Right now, its a Burlington Coat Factory

No, it isn't. It is a building that used to be a Burlington Coat Factory (and still has the signs to prove it) and currently houses a place of prayer.

[Enadail]

1) It's a place of prayer. The difference between that and a mosque is the difference between a chapel and a church.

It is already a place of prayer. In the proposed building, only a small portion will be a place of prayer. The rest will house a gym, pool, library, restaurant, culinary school, auditorium, exhibit space, etc.

Right now, it is a mosque. If the plans are allowed to go forward, it will be much, much more.

Right now, its a Burlington Coat Factory

No, it isn't. It is a building that used to be a Burlington Coat Factory (and still has the signs to prove it) and currently houses a place of prayer.

Haha, I know, I was just joking around.