"Ground Zero" mosque approved, Obama supports

[Whole Conviction]

You mean likeSagrada Familia Cathedral fits into Barcelona?

Totally different. That's Jesus.

You have to admit: it's pretty fucking badass ostentatious.

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Fugly is how I'd put it....

It looks like something termites spat out.

That is SERIOUSLY over-carved.

There are some truly beautiful buildings in that style. That particular one? Not so much. It just 'yeah, like those others, but 100% more carvings and 200% taller'.

[North Suran]

That is SERIOUSLY over-carved.

There are some truly beautiful buildings in that style. That particular one? Not so much. It just 'yeah, like those others, but 100% more carvings and 200% taller'.

It's Gaudi. You should be thankful the building wasn't upside down or on fire.

[Whole Conviction]

That is SERIOUSLY over-carved.

There are some truly beautiful buildings in that style. That particular one? Not so much. It just 'yeah, like those others, but 100% more carvings and 200% taller'.

It's Gaudi. You should be thankful the building wasn't upside down or on fire.

Well, the anarchists did try -- they valiantly tried -- to disrupt it by burning the blueprints.

[Inland cheeze]

I may not know much, But isn't it a constitute-given right?



Just because terrorists are Islam and muslam, doesn't mean every muslam and islam are extremists.

[Enadail]

I may not know much, But isn't it a constitute-given constitutional (besides, the word you want is the constitution, not the constitute) right?

Just because terrorists are Islam and muslam Muslim, doesn't mean every muslam Muslim and Islam are extremists.

Please note that Islam is a religion, Muslims are followers of Islam... its not two separate categories. So not every terrorist is Muslim.

And yes, religious freedom is a constitutional right, and while not of the constitution, they own the land and have the correct permits to build on the land, so its legal.

[Tekania]

You mean likeSagrada Familia Cathedral fits into Barcelona?

Totally different. That's Jesus.

You have to admit: it's pretty fucking badass ostentatious.

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Fugly is how I'd put it....

It looks like something termites spat out.

It looks sort of like a Zerg Lair.

[Arkinesia]

http://www.northjersey.com/news/opinions/kelly/95748769_On_this_ground__zero_tolerance.html?page=all

This has got to be one of the most idiotic protests I’ve seen lately coming from the tea-party movement here in the States. Those that were there had claimed that “It’s not a question of building a mosque. It’s where they’re building it..” Even if this may be the case for this particular individual, it would seem this is not shared by others protesting there. This can be seen where a protester was carrying a sign with a toilet on it, the message with it said: “This is a Mosque. Do You Want it Built at Ground Zero?” Ironically, though, is that the mosque isn’t being built at Ground Zero, rather is being built two blocks away, on Park Place, at the site of a former Burlington Coat Factory.

Another idiotic thing that took place there was where the tea-party protesters began attacking two Egyptian christians who were there to protest as well, but the racist protesters took them as “Muslims” instead:

At one point, a portion of the crowd menacingly surrounded two Egyptian men who were speaking Arabic and were thought to be Muslims.

“Go home,” several shouted from the crowd.

“Get out,” others shouted.

In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called “The Way.” Both said they had come to protest the mosque.

“I’m a Christian,” Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.

But it was no use. The protesters had become so angry at what they thought were Muslims that New York City police officers had to rush in and pull Nassralla and El Masry to safety.

“I flew nine hours in an airplane to come here,” a frustrated Nassralla said afterward.

The incident underscores how contentious — and, perhaps, how irrational — the debate over the mosque has become.

It’s amazing on how far these racist, irrational tea-party protesters will go in order to promote their views. I truly believe the world will be much better off without these psychopaths.

They're such retards that they couldn't tell a North African from an Arab, I mean come on…

[Intangelon]

It's design is a glass and steel block like most of the rest of Manhattan. About the same hight as the building covering the opposite side of the block, and smaller and shorter than the buildings covering the next two blocks approaching "Ground Zero"., it would end up being the fourth largest building in those three blocks after the aforementioned three. There is already a Muslim religious service being held on the present property inside the old Burlington Coat Factory building. So what is really going on here, is Cordoba is going to tear down the existing property, build the new building, who will house both the existing group of muslims who have been meeting at that location, and provide much additional space for community outreach services and programs.

It's also hideous, you forgot to mention that.

See I feel this is a much more legitimate argument against the building than the whole Muslim angle. It really will be an eyesore, totally out of place with the buildings around it. It really is arrogant of the architects to not even try to integrate the building into the neighborhood.

[Katganistan]

It's design is a glass and steel block like most of the rest of Manhattan. About the same hight as the building covering the opposite side of the block, and smaller and shorter than the buildings covering the next two blocks approaching "Ground Zero"., it would end up being the fourth largest building in those three blocks after the aforementioned three. There is already a Muslim religious service being held on the present property inside the old Burlington Coat Factory building. So what is really going on here, is Cordoba is going to tear down the existing property, build the new building, who will house both the existing group of muslims who have been meeting at that location, and provide much additional space for community outreach services and programs.

It's also hideous, you forgot to mention that.

See I feel this is a much more legitimate argument against the building than the whole Muslim angle. It really will be an eyesore, totally out of place with the buildings around it. It really is arrogant of the architects to not even try to integrate the building into the neighborhood.

I know I will get shit for it -- but as much as I feel the symbolism of the Twin Towers was important -- they were pretty, shall we say, utilitarian upended shoe-boxy?

And seriously, glass and steel in Manhattan? How out of place.

http://www.amnh.org/rose/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Seagrambuilding.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hearstowernyc.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CitigroupCenter2.jpg

[NERVUN]

I know I will get shit for it -- but as much as I feel the symbolism of the Twin Towers was important -- they were pretty, shall we say, utilitarian upended shoe-boxy?

You probably will, but I remember watching a documentary about the towers before they were destroyed that pretty much said the same thing and how, when they were build, New Yorkers bitched about just how goddamn ugly they were and lacked style to go in their city.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

I know I will get shit for it -- but as much as I feel the symbolism of the Twin Towers was important -- they were pretty, shall we say, utilitarian upended shoe-boxy?

You probably will, but I remember watching a documentary about the towers before they were destroyed that pretty much said the same thing and how, when they were build, New Yorkers bitched about just how goddamn ugly they were and lacked style to go in their city.

Much like with musicians, despite any valid criticisms in "life," in "death" they are beyond reproach. If you think otherwise, you're an ebil muslim terrorist freedom hater.

[Tekania]

It's design is a glass and steel block like most of the rest of Manhattan. About the same hight as the building covering the opposite side of the block, and smaller and shorter than the buildings covering the next two blocks approaching "Ground Zero"., it would end up being the fourth largest building in those three blocks after the aforementioned three. There is already a Muslim religious service being held on the present property inside the old Burlington Coat Factory building. So what is really going on here, is Cordoba is going to tear down the existing property, build the new building, who will house both the existing group of muslims who have been meeting at that location, and provide much additional space for community outreach services and programs.

It's also hideous, you forgot to mention that.

See I feel this is a much more legitimate argument against the building than the whole Muslim angle. It really will be an eyesore, totally out of place with the buildings around it. It really is arrogant of the architects to not even try to integrate the building into the neighborhood.

I know I will get shit for it -- but as much as I feel the symbolism of the Twin Towers was important -- they were pretty, shall we say, utilitarian upended shoe-boxy?

And seriously, glass and steel in Manhattan? How out of place.

http://www.amnh.org/rose/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Seagrambuilding.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hearstowernyc.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CitigroupCenter2.jpg

You know, in cases like that one should just be allowed to pull a John Stewart and picspam your point. Kinda like when he will talk about something Glenn Beck recently says about what someone else says to paint them as a terrorist sympathizer, then shows another video of Beck from 3-4 months earlier saying exactly what the other guy was saying who he just accused of being a terrorist sympathizer, and just get to sit there in silence with that look... because there is just simply no commentary needed to convey the other idiocy of the opposing side.

[Inland cheeze]

I may not know much, But isn't it a constitute-given constitutional (besides, the word you want is the constitution, not the constitute) right?

Just because terrorists are Islam and muslam Muslim, doesn't mean every muslam Muslim and Islam are extremists.

Please note that Islam is a religion, Muslims are followers of Islam... its not two separate categories. So not every terrorist is Muslim.

And yes, religious freedom is a constitutional right, and while not of the constitution, they own the land and have the correct permits to build on the land, so its legal.

I posted that at 3:00 in the morning, sorry.

[Augarundus]

A victory for the freedom of expression of religion has occurred, despite all the xenophobia and mindless hatred aimed at Muslims.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 09300.html

Wow, nice strawman.

Some people might have a problem not with a mosque itself, but this particular mosque, which is led by a Imam that supports Hamas, believes that the Jews were responsible for 9/11 (and he is either a friend of Bill Ayers or Rashid Khalidi... who are both friends; I have forgotten which... they are sending another flotilla to Gaza this September, with Hamas members, known as the "Audacity of Hope"...).

I don't have a legal problem with a mosque there.

I have a problem with this Imam.

[Ifreann]

A victory for the freedom of expression of religion has occurred, despite all the xenophobia and mindless hatred aimed at Muslims.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 09300.html

Wow, nice strawman.

Some people might have a problem not with a mosque itself, but this particular mosque, which is led by a Imam that supports Hamas, believes that the Jews were responsible for 9/11 (and he is either a friend of Bill Ayers or Rashid Khalidi... who are both friends; I have forgotten which... they are sending another flotilla to Gaza this September, with Hamas members, known as the "Audacity of Hope"...).

I don't have a legal problem with a mosque there.

I have a problem with this Imam.

Didn't I already ask you for a load of sources on this kind of thing? I don't remember you getting back to me on that....

[Maxlada]

This is a slap to the faces of those who went through that bombing and lost their loved ones.

There should be a line drawn with the religious freedoms part of this country.

[Ifreann]

This is a slap to the faces of those who went through that bombing and lost their loved ones.

I didn't think anyone died in the bombing.....

There should be a line drawn with the religious freedoms part of this country.

Why do you hate the constitution?

[Horsefish]

This is a slap to the faces of those who went through that bombing and lost their loved ones.

There should be a line drawn with the religious freedoms part of this country.

Surely the only ones who can claim it's a slap in the face are the people who lost loved ones in the attack.

edit: Damn grammar.

[Augarundus]

Didn't I already ask you for a load of sources on this kind of thing? I don't remember you getting back to me on that....

Imam is a radical.

He's friends with this guy.

And the Audacity of Hope sets sail in September.

[Jervak]

A victory for the freedom of expression of religion has occurred, despite all the xenophobia and mindless hatred aimed at Muslims.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 09300.html

Wow, nice strawman.

Not a strawman.

At one point, a portion of the crowd menacingly surrounded two Egyptian men who were speaking Arabic and were thought to be Muslims.

“Go home,” several shouted from the crowd.

“Get out,” others shouted.

In fact, the two men – Joseph Nassralla and Karam El Masry — were not Muslims at all. They turned out to be Egyptian Coptic Christians who work for a California-based Christian satellite TV station called “The Way.” Both said they had come to protest the mosque.

“I’m a Christian,” Nassralla shouted to the crowd, his eyes bulging and beads of sweat rolling down his face.

But it was no use. The protesters had become so angry at what they thought were Muslims that New York City police officers had to rush in and pull Nassralla and El Masry to safety.

“I flew nine hours in an airplane to come here,” a frustrated Nassralla said afterward.

The incident underscores how contentious — and, perhaps, how irrational — the debate over the mosque has become.

Yes the Imam has some irrational thinking, but that doesn't mean it can't be built

[Tekania]

A victory for the freedom of expression of religion has occurred, despite all the xenophobia and mindless hatred aimed at Muslims.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/ameri ... 09300.html

Wow, nice strawman.

Some people might have a problem not with a mosque itself, but this particular mosque, which is led by a Imam that supports Hamas, believes that the Jews were responsible for 9/11 (and he is either a friend of Bill Ayers or Rashid Khalidi... who are both friends; I have forgotten which... they are sending another flotilla to Gaza this September, with Hamas members, known as the "Audacity of Hope"...).

I don't have a legal problem with a mosque there.

I have a problem with this Imam.

1. It's not a mosque, it's an interfaith community center than houses a Mosque.
2. Supports Hamas? Source.
3. Believes jews were responsible for 9/11? Source. I know someone he used to employ said that, after they fled the US... but not Mr. Rauf
4. OMG, he has associations with... two college professors.
5. OMG they are sending an aid boat to Gaza, along with a shit load of support from alot of well respected peace and Veterans organizations.

[Maxlada]

This is a slap to the faces of those who went through that bombing and lost their loved ones.

I didn't think anyone died in the bombing.....

There should be a line drawn with the religious freedoms part of this country.

Why do you hate the constitution?

I meant a slap in the face to those who lost their loved ones.

I don't hate the constitution. I don't like the current goverment that controls our constitution.
It's just disrespectful and selfish in my own opinion.

[Gift-of-god]

Didn't I already ask you for a load of sources on this kind of thing? I don't remember you getting back to me on that....

Imam is a radical.

He's friends with this guy.

And the Audacity of Hope sets sail in September.

Your "evidence" that he is a radical seems to rest on the fact that he had an office next to an organisation that the FBI believes is associated with Hamas.

The person sitting beside me is Cree. Is that evidence that I am a Canadian aboriginal?

[Gift-of-god]

I meant a slap in the face to those who lost their loved ones.

.....

Can the feelings of Muslims who lost loved ones on 9/11 be ignored?

[Pandarchy]

There should be a line drawn with the religious freedoms part of this country.

The "religious freedoms part" being the First Amendment, right? You want to draw a line through it?