Yeah, another obesity thread

[The Comments Section]

First before anything, we've got to make people realize their situation, and despite cultural norms about obesity, it's got to be something presented scientifically or medically.

It's despicable to say it, but decreasing Obesity will also decrease health costs in general, which would be a great plus, allieviating the insurance controversey, as they can charge less.

[Fantasy Encounter]

First before anything, we've got to make people realize their situation, and despite cultural norms about obesity, it's got to be something presented scientifically or medically.

It's despicable to say it, but decreasing Obesity will also decrease health costs in general, which would be a great plus, allieviating the insurance controversey, as they can charge less.

Or the insurance companies can make more money!

[Fantasy Encounter]

I just found this interesting article that explains why some people can eat anything and not gain a pound while others are always struggling with their weight.

[The Comments Section]

First before anything, we've got to make people realize their situation, and despite cultural norms about obesity, it's got to be something presented scientifically or medically.

It's despicable to say it, but decreasing Obesity will also decrease health costs in general, which would be a great plus, allieviating the insurance controversey, as they can charge less.

Or the insurance companies can make more money!

Insurance Companies can only make money if they aren't surrmounted with masses of obesity costs, of course arguably to take out this "appease the corporation" ideal, government intervention, planned correctly, could be an aid.

[Nazistisches Reich]

Sorry, I'm just a little obsessed with this problem right now. It's not a problem with easy solutions. And ridiculing and mocking obese people doesn't help them, it tends to make the problem worse.

I'm making my own personal effort to fight the problem - in my own life, but what would you do? Please, no "fatties are teh losers and need to die" posts. It's a real problem affecting real people and the solution(s) are not going to be immediate. You (purported) skinny people here can offer solutions - for instance, what, in your life style helps you to remain skinny (in this instance, while genetics may be helpful for you, it doesn't help the rest of us.

Remember the fat didn't come on in a day and it won't come off in a day. Also, remember, there are issues other than just eating too much and moving too little.

http://www.thatsfit.com/2010/08/04/70-m ... olution%2F

Well the first problem is excercise, not enough people are getting it. Also theres the food thats made today, if you ever actually look on the back of a hot pocket or a pot pie or french fries their horrible. They have high amounts of saturated fats and are just unhealthy. I think people should give up their fancy Tvs and other stuff they dont need so they can afford to buy healthy natural food like turkey burgers, and or veggie burgers which are not bad as you think. And other healthy foods, soda and fastfoods also make people obese. Things are so fast paced in todays life that people just eat fast food since its easy and on the way. Also people who are skinny and eat what ever they want can be obese on the inside.

Visceral Fat is fat that build up on the organs rather than on the outside under the skin o its very hard to lose and is worse than outside fat so if your skinny and you eat what ever you want, chances are you have fat on thei nside around your organs which is very deadly.

[Nazistisches Reich]

I just found this interesting article that explains why some people can eat anything and not gain a pound while others are always struggling with their weight.

Thats easy the metabolism...if someone has a fast metabolism they can eat anything they want and not gain a pound which is the ectomorphs then you have the people with semi fast metabolisms can put on muscle fast if they work out and then you have the stock build which have slow metabolisms which anything they eat will put on pounds.

[New Caldaris]

Im not sure if anyone said this but its a clever idea. Buy smaller plates, so when you eat and lets say your plate is full in reality your not getting as much as you would with a bigger plate that is full but your mind still thinks your getting alot because the plate is full. Also having the plate NOT full helps to lol. Also as said running and simple choices such as walking instead of using the elevator can always help to. And don't eat fast foods, not only do they make you gain wait if they can afford to sell stuff for 1 dollar on the dollar menu and STILL make a profit... what are they putting in it to make it THAT cheap?!?!?!

[Moronius]

..there are issues other than just eating too much and moving too little...

I hate to burst your bubble, but that's exactly what it's about. Wonky metabolisms can play weird tricks on your body, but it can't make your body grow fat from nothing. (what goes in) - (what goes out) = (what gets left behind).

Anyways, don't fall for any "don't eat fats" or "don't eat carbs" diets; you need some of everything for proper metabolic function. The main thing is just portion control and eating foods that aren't "empty calories" (processed stuff). Also, cut out all beverages. Water is the way to go. If you absolutely have to drink something other than water go with coffee or tea (with no sugar). Human bodies didn't evolve to consume fluids with high calories; sugary drinks are probably the biggest culprit in poor diet. Furthermore, drinking a lot of water will reduce your hunger.

As far as exercise goes, try to find a fun outdoor activity rather than joining a gym, such as kayaking, swimming, hiking, or playing some sort of sport with friends. It's a lot easier to stick to a workout schedule if you actually enjoy it.

[New Caldaris]

Portion control to.. as they say Quality over Quantity. (granted somethings that are smaller can contain higher carbs/calories/fats/sugars)

[Imsogone]

..there are issues other than just eating too much and moving too little...

I hate to burst your bubble, but that's exactly what it's about. Wonky metabolisms can play weird tricks on your body, but it can't make your body grow fat from nothing. (what goes in) - (what goes out) = (what gets left behind).

Anyways, don't fall for any "don't eat fats" or "don't eat carbs" diets; you need some of everything for proper metabolic function. The main thing is just portion control and eating foods that aren't "empty calories" (processed stuff). Also, cut out all beverages. Water is the way to go. If you absolutely have to drink something other than water go with coffee or tea (with no sugar). Human bodies didn't evolve to consume fluids with high calories; sugary drinks are probably the biggest culprit in poor diet. Furthermore, drinking a lot of water will reduce your hunger.

As far as exercise goes, try to find a fun outdoor activity rather than joining a gym, such as kayaking, swimming, hiking, or playing some sort of sport with friends. It's a lot easier to stick to a workout schedule if you actually enjoy it.

Actually, when I was talking about other issues, I wasn't referencing metabolic/physiological issues. I was talking about emotional/psychological issues - which play just as important a role in obesity as the more concrete issues.

[Andaluciae]

..there are issues other than just eating too much and moving too little...

I hate to burst your bubble, but that's exactly what it's about. Wonky metabolisms can play weird tricks on your body, but it can't make your body grow fat from nothing. (what goes in) - (what goes out) = (what gets left behind).

Anyways, don't fall for any "don't eat fats" or "don't eat carbs" diets; you need some of everything for proper metabolic function. The main thing is just portion control and eating foods that aren't "empty calories" (processed stuff). Also, cut out all beverages. Water is the way to go. If you absolutely have to drink something other than water go with coffee or tea (with no sugar). Human bodies didn't evolve to consume fluids with high calories; sugary drinks are probably the biggest culprit in poor diet. Furthermore, drinking a lot of water will reduce your hunger.

While my diet still has a metric fuckton of awful in it, that may be one of the biggest things that have gone--soft drinks (definitely not alcohol, though ). I can probably count the sodas I've had over the past ten months on one hand.

Of course, I also drink a gallon of iced tea every ten minutes, so who knows

[Lackadaisical2]

Also, a lot of foods or processed foods come from Genetically Modified fruits and vegetables. There's even meat in the food supply that is from cloned animals.

Cloned animals would be no more unhealthy than a normal one, although I seriously question if they're cloning animals for consumption, it doesn't seem cost effective.

I dont think obesity is a problem that society needs to tackle - mostly people are obese due to there own faults so now they should deal with it.

Blame the victim.

Victim? thats a bit extreme...

[Hassett]

Learn mitosis and split yourself in two

That would only work if you're single celled.

Its a possibility nonetheless...

[Moronius]

I was talking about emotional/psychological issues - which play just as important a role in obesity as the more concrete issues.

Fair enough. To combat emotional/psychological issues, when looking for a fun, physical activity, find a group of people instead of going at it alone. Groups who workout together have more fun doing it and will encourage each other. It also taps into your sense of obligation; now you're not just going for yourself, you have others who are relying on you to help them out.

[Lackadaisical2]

Eat less, eat smaller portions, and eat healthy. Without exceptions. It seems obvious, but you'd be surprised how many people will 'treat' themselves on a regular basis for being so good about their diet, and then wonder why the diet isn't working.

Also, driving less in favor of walking, using stairs instead of elevators where you can, and light exercise- not enough to make you too hungry, but enough for a decent workout.

^this

also using smaller plates when making meals is also supposed to help, basically you're forced to put less on your plate.

going for a walk everyday (like an hour) is usually a good idea if more strenuous exercise is too much.

One more I'd add. Don't watch TV/play with your computer while you eat, also eat slowly. You'll notice you're full earlier than if you're distracted/eat too fast. So my advice is to chew eat bite a lot.

Maybe those old people were onto something

[Nazistisches Reich]

Also, a lot of foods or processed foods come from Genetically Modified fruits and vegetables. There's even meat in the food supply that is from cloned animals.

Cloned animals would be no more unhealthy than a normal one, although I seriously question if they're cloning animals for consumption, it doesn't seem cost effective.

I dont think obesity is a problem that society needs to tackle - mostly people are obese due to there own faults so now they should deal with it.

Blame the victim.

Victim? thats a bit extreme...

Greta Nepal I dont think you have a clue about Science Nutrition. First of all its not the "Victims" fault, if your skinny and eat what ever you want I got news for you. You probably have visceral fat which is more seiouse than outside fat. Also a person cant help it if they have a fast paced life style and eat thos e microwaveable meals or fast food. Teh fastfood industry will never go away its to large and to many people wont give it up.

Also how would you like it if you had a slow metabolism and were obese and someone said "Well its the victims own fault so now he should deal with it".

[Sertooth]

Blame the victim.

I agree.

[Andaluciae]

MSG

So, what? There's really not been any statistical evidence to prove a linkage between MSG and...anything.

Also, a lot of foods or processed foods come from Genetically Modified fruits and vegetables. There's even meat in the food supply that is from cloned animals.

And that evokes a solid "so, what?" statement out of me. I've not seen any reputable evidence that GM foods or cloned animals are worse for you than unmodified. In fact, I've seen evidence that some GM fruits and vegetables are actually substantially better for you, as they have a high nutritional content--especially of some of the trace minerals people need.

I dont think obesity is a problem that society needs to tackle - mostly people are obese due to there own faults so now they should deal with it.

Blame the victim.

Meh. I didn't lose weight until I actually started to do something about it--it seems reasonably ration to me to blame the "victim." I mean, I'm certainly not thin, and there are certainly things I could do that would be better for my health

[Nazistisches Reich]

I was talking about emotional/psychological issues - which play just as important a role in obesity as the more concrete issues.

Fair enough. To combat emotional/psychological issues, when looking for a fun, physical activity, find a group of people instead of going at it alone. Groups who workout together have more fun doing it and will encourage each other. It also taps into your sense of obligation; now you're not just going for yourself, you have others who are relying on you to help them out.

that doesnt always work, I know obese people more active than me and their still obese. Just because you workout doesnt mean shit. You could lose weight without working out, its not good to do since its probably muscle mass and water weight your losing but its possible. Anyway you need a healthy diet because yea you may be in good shape on the outside for being active but on the inside you could be horrible and have a stroke or heart attack at te age 30 or 40. Also dont eat sugar free things they have aspartame which can kill you in excessive amounts. What they put in dead people ro preserve them is what aspartame turns into when it enters your system.

[Lackadaisical2]

Too bad much water in the U.S is drugged.

Then get natural spring water(bottled). Still a goddamn lot cheaper than soda, so you're not only losing weight but also saving money.

Better yet, just put a water filter on your faucet. That way you don't have to worry about the fluoride sapping your precious bodily fluids and it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than bottled water.

Neither of those actions would save you from 'ebil fluoridation', I'd bet any drink has fluoride in it, except pure, not from concentrate juices, maybe milk and if you won your own well.

[Nazistisches Reich]

The way I look at it is the government wants to kill us off to keep the pop down, hence why the supposedly havent found a cure for cancer yet the rainforests have many cures but they bulldoze the rainforests which might be to cover up evidence. I think the government purposely allows copanys to give us shit food so we die off at age 40 of a heart attack and then in return the country doesnt over populate like china.

[Grave_n_idle]

Too bad much water in the U.S is drugged.

Then get natural spring water(bottled). Still a goddamn lot cheaper than soda, so you're not only losing weight but also saving money.

Better yet, just put a water filter on your faucet. That way you don't have to worry about the fluoride sapping your precious bodily fluids and it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than bottled water.

Neither of those actions would save you from 'ebil fluoridation', I'd bet any drink has fluoride in it, except pure, not from concentrate juices, maybe milk and if you won your own well.

Fluoride occurs naturally. You'd have to have your well tested.

There's also fluoridated milk, but it's less popular in the US than it is in other parts of the world.

[Grave_n_idle]

The way I look at it is the government wants to kill us off to keep the pop down, hence why the supposedly havent found a cure for cancer yet the rainforests have many cures but they bulldoze the rainforests which might be to cover up evidence. I think the government purposely allows copanys to give us shit food so we die off at age 40 of a heart attack and then in return the country doesnt over populate like china.

Overpopulation isn't a problem, per se. If every generation is substantially larger than the previous one, you can actually borrow against it - which is why social security was suddenly fucked hard when the generation after the baby boomers didn't boom.

What cures are being bulldozed in the rainforests?

[Caninope]

Too bad much water in the U.S is drugged.

Then get natural spring water(bottled). Still a goddamn lot cheaper than soda, so you're not only losing weight but also saving money.

Better yet, just put a water filter on your faucet. That way you don't have to worry about the fluoride sapping your precious bodily fluids and it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than bottled water.

Neither of those actions would save you from 'ebil fluoridation', I'd bet any drink has fluoride in it, except pure, not from concentrate juices, maybe milk and if you won your own well.

I always had well water growing up, so city water tastes funny to me.

[Lackadaisical2]

Also, a lot of foods or processed foods come from Genetically Modified fruits and vegetables. There's even meat in the food supply that is from cloned animals.

Cloned animals would be no more unhealthy than a normal one, although I seriously question if they're cloning animals for consumption, it doesn't seem cost effective.

I dont think obesity is a problem that society needs to tackle - mostly people are obese due to there own faults so now they should deal with it.

Blame the victim.

Victim? thats a bit extreme...

Greta Nepal I dont think you have a clue about Science Nutrition. First of all its not the "Victims" fault, if your skinny and eat what ever you want I got news for you. You probably have visceral fat which is more seiouse than outside fat. Also a person cant help it if they have a fast paced life style and eat thos e microwaveable meals or fast food. Teh fastfood industry will never go away its to large and to many people wont give it up.

I'm not "Greta Nepal".

Most your post doesn't address mine at all either.

Also how would you like it if you had a slow metabolism and were obese and someone said "Well its the victims own fault so now he should deal with it".

fine? Although I'd ask them why the hell they were calling me a victim. When I die from alcohol poisoning I'm not going to blame it on the beer, or society driving me to drink.