Yeah, another obesity thread

[Lackadaisical2]

Neither of those actions would save you from 'ebil fluoridation', I'd bet any drink has fluoride in it, except pure, not from concentrate juices, maybe milk and if you won your own well.

Fluoride occurs naturally. You'd have to have your well tested.

so does lead and a million other things, I tried to be careful by saying fluoridation, but then went ahead and said fluoride anyway...

There's also fluoridated milk, but it's less popular in the US than it is in other parts of the world.

Sounds weird.

[Lackadaisical2]

Too bad much water in the U.S is drugged.

Then get natural spring water(bottled). Still a goddamn lot cheaper than soda, so you're not only losing weight but also saving money.

Better yet, just put a water filter on your faucet. That way you don't have to worry about the fluoride sapping your precious bodily fluids and it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than bottled water.

Neither of those actions would save you from 'ebil fluoridation', I'd bet any drink has fluoride in it, except pure, not from concentrate juices, maybe milk and if you won your own well.

I always had well water growing up, so city water tastes funny to me.

Water tastes different from one city to another, although theres likely more of a taste difference between well and surface sources.

[Grave_n_idle]

so does lead and a million other things, I tried to be careful by saying fluoridation, but then went ahead and said fluoride anyway...

Ah. I was just pre-empting whatever conspiracy theory was about to come down the line from someone arguing the government was spying on us (poisoning us, leeching our precious body fluids... whatever it is this week) with fluoride - by pointing out that there's often fluoride in the water in your domestic wells (if you have them).

Heck, there are places out west where they have to treat the water to get the fluoride to a low enough level that they can legally pump it to domestic supplies.

[The Black Plains]

I dont think obesity is a problem that society needs to tackle - mostly people are obese due to there own faults so now they should deal with it.

Make love to me.

[Lackadaisical2]

I dont think obesity is a problem that society needs to tackle - mostly people are obese due to there own faults so now they should deal with it.

Make love to me.

Thats a disturbing image, probably a good way to lose weight really... *throws up*

[The Steel Fraternity]

Im not sure if anyone said this but its a clever idea. Buy smaller plates, so when you eat and lets say your plate is full in reality your not getting as much as you would with a bigger plate that is full but your mind still thinks your getting alot because the plate is full. Also having the plate NOT full helps to lol. Also as said running and simple choices such as walking instead of using the elevator can always help to. And don't eat fast foods, not only do they make you gain wait if they can afford to sell stuff for 1 dollar on the dollar menu and STILL make a profit... what are they putting in it to make it THAT cheap?!?!?!

Actually, all-you-can-eat buffets do that small plate thing. Since less food fits on the plate, you are forced to stop eating sooner to go back for more, so you get full sooner. That's why they can make money at practical prices.

1) Or people could be held responsible for their own damn health. The cheapest food is made from scratch, and there's no reason you can't do that healthily.

2) I don't know about anywhere else, but at my high school, they were. They were only required for two years, but plenty of people (myself included) took extra PE courses.

3) Or they could just, you know, start the day with work, and not waste company time and money on something the employees should be responsible for themselves.

Well, you seem pissed.

1)I'm not trying to legislate away obesity. I'm simply suggesting that the government make it more affordable to eat healthy.

2)Where I went, they were required for two semesters, and I was too busy to take extra courses.

3)Why wouldn't the company want its employees to be happier and more efficient? And simple calisthenics do not cost money or much time. They would more than pay for themselves through increased morale and efficiency.

I do tend to get a little pissed when I hear people suggesting public action for private problems.

[The Black Plains]

Im not sure if anyone said this but its a clever idea. Buy smaller plates, so when you eat and lets say your plate is full in reality your not getting as much as you would with a bigger plate that is full but your mind still thinks your getting alot because the plate is full. Also having the plate NOT full helps to lol. Also as said running and simple choices such as walking instead of using the elevator can always help to. And don't eat fast foods, not only do they make you gain wait if they can afford to sell stuff for 1 dollar on the dollar menu and STILL make a profit... what are they putting in it to make it THAT cheap?!?!?!

Actually, all-you-can-eat buffets do that small plate thing. Since less food fits on the plate, you are forced to stop eating sooner to go back for more, so you get full sooner. That's why they can make money at practical prices.

Also cuz they cook the food in mass with cheap ingredients.

[Seytstone]

To any that say that they are too busy to make lunch and hence takeout is faster: this is a lie. it takes just as long to slap together a sandwich as it does to to drive to and then stand in line for McDonald's. I know this because I work at a McDonald's. If you find yourself having a problem with sticking to this, leave your money at home.

As for obesity, there are people who can't help it, I grant it, but those are more due to thyroid disorders or people who have to take steroids as a treatment for a disease. Everyone else can help it.

I am one of those people who do not feel full until after about fifteen minutes after I have finished my meal. What I recommend in this case is portion control. Have a set portion that is slightly beneath the size that you would eat normally. Then you wait until the time that your stomach tells you how full you are and eat a bit more if you can.

The only other thing that I can advise is to exercise regularly. I usually go for a 45 minute long bike ride about three times a week.

[Ryadn]

I dont think obesity is a problem that society needs to tackle - mostly people are obese due to there own faults so now they should deal with it.

Make love to me.

Thats a disturbing image, probably a good way to lose weight really... *throws up*

Told you.

[DEFCON-1]

I think people underestimate the necessity of exercise. We're evolved (or designed, whatever) like every other animal, to have to be active to get food and survive. We live a sedentary lifestyle, largely, and our diets are very different from 10,000 years ago when agriculture was developed. We're not designed for a modern lifestyle. Keep in mind, the earliest hominids appeared 3-4 million years ago, so 10,000 years is nothing in an evolutionary sense.

[Great Nepal]

Well, you seem pissed.

1)I'm not trying to legislate away obesity. I'm simply suggesting that the government make it more affordable to eat healthy.

Yea cos its taxpayers responsibility right?

[Aushart]

Weight gain is mainly caused by high carbohydrate consumption. Carbohydrates raise your blood sugar, which increases the release of insulin as a mechanism of homeostasis. Insulin is a hormone that, among other things, tells your body to store fat. Carbohydrates are a very efficient source of energy, and with so much available your body is not going to bother to try burning its fat storages. Instead, you've trained your body to be a sugar-burning machine. Calories in versus calories out is a false hypothesis. Calories in versus calories out is a false hypothesis. So nice, I had to say it twice. I recommend the book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes (lame title, incredible source of information) as well as the documentary "Fat Head."

[Rus-Alla]

I'd wager, by and large (see what I did there?) the burden of responsibility lies on the individual. However, as important as that is, I believe that it's necessary to acknowledge the problem of obesity as just that; A PROBLEM. Increasingly, there are support groups, government programs, activists or lobbyists all demanding that obese people are "normal", that it's unavoidable and these people just need "help". Well, there's a bit of a problem with that line of thinking;

Fat people aren't normal. They are an aberration resulting from the societal comfort of food on a whim. Yes, this may be compounded by thyroid issues or (possibly) weaker metabolisms, but that doesn't excuse the fact that ultimately, it boils down to what someone puts in their body; It is their responsibility. This would, of course, apply to parents who feed their children two Big Macs with fries and a large coke every day.

Obesity is not something natural to the human condition, it is a result of a number of societal and personal issues; Laziness, a lack of personal responsibility and moderation, excessive indulgence, and a lifestyle of gross, corpulent excess without thought or care for the results.

Now, please don't take this at straight "Fat people are subhuman" value. Quite the contrary; I believe that obesity is a major, humanity-crippling problem that needs to be addressed. Ultimately, that's the point that I'm getting to.


In order to combat obesity, we need to acknowledge, publicly and loudly, that NO! Being a fattie is not okay. Being obese is NOT okay. While it is, debatably, not always the obese person's fault, we must also agree that obesity is, by and large, a result of personal responsibility. The government cannot control what you put in your body, so you HAVE to. Monitor your intake and accept your own hand in shaping your highly moldy, malleable body into something better than you are through sheer (and apparently-lost notion of) hard work and determination. NO, don't let the fat kids sit out at High School Gym class, make the little porkers get off their hamburger-laden asses and get their Cheeto-stained hands dirty. NO, don't give someone a pass because they're fat; If they take up two seats on means of transportation, make them pay appropriately. NO, don't have the government coddle and coo at these overgrown monstrosities, and most importantly, NO! Do not ever, never, under any circumstances EVER let anyone say that being obese is an ok thing with such garbage as FatIsBeautiful.com, Fat beauty pageants, the like. When's the last time you saw a "Most Beautiful STD" pageant? Obesity isn't beautiful; it's corpulence. These sort of things only enable and encourage an actively harmful lifestyle, and if we wish to combat obesity at one of it's more baseline levels, these enabling activities and notions must be eradicated.

(( NOTE: I'd be considered a fattie, m'self; Not a matter of pride, but I'm down from 340-ish to 219 after two years of one-big-meal-a-day, and about an hour and a half's exercise a day [split into two 45-minute sessions], ending with a light jog. Just sayin'. If a guy with an underactive thyroid condition can do it on willpower alone...))

[Lackadaisical2]

Calories in versus calories out is a false hypothesis. Calories in versus calories out is a false hypothesis. So nice, I had to say it twice. I recommend the book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes (lame title, incredible source of information) as well as the documentary "Fat Head."

Not at all, its quite true and saying it twice doesn't make your statement any less false. Mass and energy balance must be preserved, that pretty much holds for everything. What it doesn't mean is that there aren't strategies or foods which affect your metabolism as well.

[Miklesia]

Well, you seem pissed.

1)I'm not trying to legislate away obesity. I'm simply suggesting that the government make it more affordable to eat healthy.

Yea cos its taxpayers responsibility right?

Wrong. No new money would be spent; we'd simply stop subsidizing fast food and start subsidizing healthy food. It's that frikkin' simple.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Well, you seem pissed.

1)I'm not trying to legislate away obesity. I'm simply suggesting that the government make it more affordable to eat healthy.

Yea cos its taxpayers responsibility right?

Wrong. No new money would be spent; we'd simply stop subsidizing fast food and start subsidizing healthy food. It's that frikkin' simple.

government subsidises fast food?

wut?

[Miklesia]

government subsidises fast food?

wut?

Yes.
http://www.acton.org/commentary/545_too ... rnment.php

[Mad hatters in jeans]

government subsidises fast food?

wut?

Yes.
http://www.acton.org/commentary/545_too ... rnment.php

that's just daft.
is this a case of one hand doesn't know what the other is doing or is it intentional?

If nothing else i don't see how fast food even needs subsidies.

[Great Nepal]

Well, you seem pissed.

1)I'm not trying to legislate away obesity. I'm simply suggesting that the government make it more affordable to eat healthy.

Yea cos its taxpayers responsibility right?

Wrong. No new money would be spent; we'd simply stop subsidizing fast food and start subsidizing healthy food. It's that frikkin' simple.

Government subside for corn is high - and I bet corn is healthy. (of course unhealthy foods can be produced form it - but however corn itslef is healthy)

[Miklesia]

What's daft? And i agree, fast food thrives so well on its own that I can't see why we should spend more tax dollars on it. If we're going to subsidize food, then it should be healthy food.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

What's daft? And i agree, fast food thrives so well on its own that I can't see why we should spend more tax dollars on it. If we're going to subsidize food, then it should be healthy food.

daft=nonsensical or unthinkable.

[Miklesia]

What's daft? And i agree, fast food thrives so well on its own that I can't see why we should spend more tax dollars on it. If we're going to subsidize food, then it should be healthy food.

daft=nonsensical or unthinkable.

Not what I meant! I meant to ask what you thought was daft.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Your obsession with obesity has lead me to one conclusion: You're Michelle Obama. Say hi to Barry for me!

Anyway, I think children are the most vulnerable when it comes to obesity and if the children develop this "culture," they'll pass it down to their kids and so on. So I think there must be stricter regulations as to what food children have access to in school. There should be limits as to what can be advertised to children, etc.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

What's daft? And i agree, fast food thrives so well on its own that I can't see why we should spend more tax dollars on it. If we're going to subsidize food, then it should be healthy food.

daft=nonsensical or unthinkable.

Not what I meant! I meant to ask what you thought was daft.

oh right, prettymuch the whole idea of subsidising fast food.

[Great Nepal]

Your obsession with obesity has lead me to one conclusion: You're Michelle Obama. Say hi to Barry for me!

Anyway, I think children are the most vulnerable when it comes to obesity and if the children develop this "culture," they'll pass it down to their kids and so on. So I think there must be stricter regulations as to what food children have access to in school. There should be limits as to what can be advertised to children, etc.

What next? - Keep age ratting on foods and ask for ID when buying foods?