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Banning Water, good idea or ...?

Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:46 am

I mean, banning bottled water. Sorry for any confusion there. ;)

A town in Australia has banned the sale of bottled water.

The central New South Wales community of Bundanoon has voted overwhelmingly in favour of a ban on bottled water.

More than 350 people turned out at a public meeting at the town hall tonight to vote on the motion.

Only one local resident voted against the proposal, along with a representative from the bottled water industry.

The Bundy on Tap campaign will see the sale of pre-packaged bottled water banned in local shops in favour of reusable plastic bottles that can be filled up for free.


ABC news, NSW town bans bottled water

Amusingly, to most Australians "Bundy" means Bundaberg rum.

What WAS the town of Bundanoon thinking? Trying to poach Schoolies Week from the Gold Coast?

H2-WHOA! Australian town bans bottled water sales

By KRISTEN GELINEAU

SYDNEY (AP) — Residents of a rural Australian town hoping to protect the earth and their wallets have voted to ban the sale of bottled water, the first community in the country — and possibly the world — to take such a drastic step in the growing backlash against the industry.

Residents of Bundanoon cheered after their near-unanimous approval of the measure at a town meeting Wednesday.

*snip*

First popularized in the 1980s as a convenient, healthy alternative to sugary drinks, bottled water today is often criticized as an environmental menace, with bottles cluttering landfills and requiring large amounts of energy to produce and transport.

Over the past few years, at least 60 cities in the United States and a handful of others in Canada and the United Kingdom have agreed to stop spending taxpayer dollars on bottled water,

*snip*

Bundanoon's battle against the bottle has been brewing for years, ever since a Sydney-based beverage company announced plans to build a water extraction plant in the town. Residents were furious over the prospect of an outsider taking their water, trucking it up to Sydney for processing and then selling it back to them. The town is still fighting the company's proposal in court.

Then in March, Huw Kingston, who owns the town's combination cafe and bike shop, had a thought: If the town was so against hosting a water bottling company, why not ban the end product?

To prevent lost profit in the 10-or-so town businesses that sell bottled water, Kingston suggested they instead sell reusable bottles for about the same price. Residents will be able to fill the bottles for free at public water fountains, or pay a small fee to fill them with filtered water kept in the stores.

The measure will not impose penalties on those who don't comply when it goes into effect in September. Still, all the business owners voluntarily agreed to follow it, recognizing the financial and environmental drawbacks of bottled water, Kingston said.

On Wednesday, 356 people turned up for a vote — the biggest turnout ever at a town meeting.

Only two people voted no. One said he was worried banning bottled water would encourage people to drink sugary beverages. The other was Geoff Parker, director of the Australasian Bottled Water Institute — which represents the bottled water industry. "Bundy on Tap" could attract some desperate types to the sleepy tourist town Bundanoon.

*snip*

On Thursday, Parker blasted the ban as unfair, misguided and ineffective.

He said the bottled water industry is a leader in researching ways to minimize bottled beverage impact on the environment. Plus, he said, the ban removes consumer choice.

"To take away someone's right to choose possibly the healthiest option in a shop fridge or a vending machine we think doesn't embrace common sense," he said.

*snip*


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So what do you think, NSG?

Is this a great step forward for the environment? Or a threat to public health?


Also, is a public meeting on a wednesday night, without privacy of the vote, the right way to make a "democratic" community decision?
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:50 am

Let's take it a step further and ban DHMO altogether.

Anyway, banning bottled water is stupid - expecially in the limited territory of a town: people who want bottled water will just drive their gas-guzzlers to the next town and buy it there.

Maybe the best thing to encourage the use of tap water would be raising nationwide taxes on bottled water AND using the income from those taxes to improve aqueducts, reservoirs, water treatment and desalinisation (if any).
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Postby Molested Sock » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:54 am

Oh shit, I really thought someone other than a German Green Party was wanting to ban water... :roll:

"Bundy on Tap" could attract some desperate types to the sleepy tourist town Bundanoon.
So what do you think, NSG?

When I saw this on the news, I thought of Bundaberg rum, it made perfect sense for Bundaberg to ban anything but rum.

Is this a great step forward for the environment? Or a threat to public health?
Medium step for the environment and if some dropkickers die of dehydration because they fail to understand how a kitchen tap works, no loss there.

Also, is a public meeting on a wednesday night, without privacy of the vote, the right way to make a "democratic" community decision?
Wednesday, yes, privacy is overrated, 1 person objected to it, surely aussies are not sheep?
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Postby Delator » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:57 am

I'd take a more drastic step.

While there are drawbacks, I'd mandate the use of glass over aluminum or plastic whenever possible. Easier to recycle in terms of energy and resource use, and there are far fewer potential health issues.

Granted, there are certain things you do NOT want to use glass for (shampoo bottles for instance: broken glass in the shower = BAD), but whenever possible we should be using glass.

If you want bottled water, fine, but it should be a glass bottle.

Not that that will ever happen, but it's nice to dream. :p
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:08 am

I think its funny when I see bottled water costing more than petrol.

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Postby Lapse » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:12 am

I for one use disposable water bottles multiple time. I at any time have about 4 or more full bottles of water floating around in the back of my car (a hangup from when I drove a car that would randomly overheat every couple of hours).

If they want to do something for the environment they could think of far better ways to do it. I'm pretty sure it is just because of a grudge against a bottled water mob that tried to destroy the community once :eyebrow:

EDIT: many smaller communities (Sarina shire near mackay is one that springs to mind) have terrible tasting water aswell! My folks only drink prepackaged water now! (albeit in 10L plus containers)
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:13 am

Risottia wrote:*snip*

Maybe the best thing to encourage the use of tap water would be raising nationwide taxes on bottled water AND using the income from those taxes to improve aqueducts, reservoirs, water treatment and desalinisation (if any).


I'm not sure how it is where you live, but bottled water is hardly any cheaper than "soft-drink" (soda-pop, lolly water, whatever it is called.) And it is plainly a much healthier option.

Taxing water specifically, makes bottled water less competitive with lolly-water. Whoa!
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Postby The Phoenix Milita » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:14 am

good on Bundanoon, most bottled water is tap water anyway and its overpriced

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Postby Baycosa » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:15 am

Unless you are living in the third world there is no reason to buy water on a bottle, most of it is tap water anyways with a fancy sticker. If the water is bubble or flavoured ok, but if it is just plain water use the plumbing system!
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Postby Ledarre » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:25 am

Although I do not agree with the price of bottled water, banning it altogether just seems to extreame. As for the enviromental issues raised in the artical, last time I checked plastic was recyclable.
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:29 am

Delator wrote:I'd take a more drastic step.

While there are drawbacks, I'd mandate the use of glass over aluminum or plastic whenever possible. Easier to recycle in terms of energy and resource use, and there are far fewer potential health issues.

Granted, there are certain things you do NOT want to use glass for (shampoo bottles for instance: broken glass in the shower = BAD), but whenever possible we should be using glass.


I've never really understood that.

Melting point of glass (to reform the bottles) is HIGHER than that of aluminium ... and there is massively more weight and volume of the material, to form a bottle?

So it must be something about washing glass bottles for safe re-use, which does not apply to aluminium?
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:36 am

Ledarre wrote:Although I do not agree with the price of bottled water, banning it altogether just seems to extreame. As for the enviromental issues raised in the artical, last time I checked plastic was recyclable.


I think they mean the "local" environment. Garbage lying around, basically.

Not so good for the "ye quainte olde worlde towne" thing Bundanoon is trying to brand itself with.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:45 am

BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:
Risottia wrote:*snip*

Maybe the best thing to encourage the use of tap water would be raising nationwide taxes on bottled water AND using the income from those taxes to improve aqueducts, reservoirs, water treatment and desalinisation (if any).


I'm not sure how it is where you live, but bottled water is hardly any cheaper than "soft-drink" (soda-pop, lolly water, whatever it is called.) And it is plainly a much healthier option.

Italy. And yes, here mineral bottled water is way cheaper than soft drinks. Btw, the tap water here in Milan is almost perfect - it's just a bit too hard (a lot of calcium ions). And in Italy you can't sell tap water as "mineral water" - which is the only kind of bottled water we Italians drink.

In the Czech Republic, iirc, beer is cheaper than mineral water, which in turn is cheaper than soft drinks.

Taxing water specifically, makes bottled water less competitive with lolly-water. Whoa!

Add same taxes to sodas. Done!
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:55 am

Lapse wrote:I for one use disposable water bottles multiple time. I at any time have about 4 or more full bottles of water floating around in the back of my car (a hangup from when I drove a car that would randomly overheat every couple of hours).


Hmm. Queenslander, eh? :eyebrow:

Got any comment on the wisdom/foolishness of calling their council campaign "Bundy on Tap" ...?

EDIT: many smaller communities (Sarina shire near mackay is one that springs to mind) have terrible tasting water aswell! My folks only drink prepackaged water now! (albeit in 10L plus containers)


There are definitely places you don't want to drink the tap-water.

Is a filtering service, where you bring your own container, and get drinkable filtered water at a minimal price (or none at all) a good idea in those places?
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Postby Tubbsalot » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:09 am

Awesome. I hate bottled water, it's like crystallising consumer gullibility into an environmentally unfriendly package.
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Ostronopolis wrote:Liberal Countries - :palm:


What does this have to do with... anything, really?

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Them durned liberals hate honest hard-working producers of bottled water, donchaknow.
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Postby Kusatsu » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:25 am

If the people actually voted directly for such a law to be enacted, then its all good in my book, no matter who complains.
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Postby Molested Sock » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:50 am

Risottia wrote:-snip-
In the Czech Republic, iirc, beer is cheaper than mineral water, which in turn is cheaper than soft drinks.

Beer used to be safer to drink than water, some say it still is.
Taxing water specifically, makes bottled water less competitive with lolly-water. Whoa!

Add same taxes to sodas. Done![/quote]
Lapse wrote:I for one use disposable water bottles multiple time. I at any time have about 4 or more full bottles of water floating around in the back of my car (a hangup from when I drove a car that would randomly overheat every couple of hours).

If they want to do something for the environment they could think of far better ways to do it. I'm pretty sure it is just because of a grudge against a bottled water mob that tried to destroy the community once :eyebrow:

EDIT: many smaller communities (Sarina shire near mackay is one that springs to mind) have terrible tasting water aswell! My folks only drink prepackaged water now! (albeit in 10L plus containers)

I have at least 4 also, though all grades of plastic water bottle are nw recyclable so desposing of them shouldn't be an issue, the issue is that people do not despose of them like they should, too many time they are littered or put in the rubbish, instead of being dropped in a recycling bin or left on the curb with other plastics on garbage day.

The company is using that towns water source to produce it's water and then selling it back to the people, it's just not cricket.

Indeed some areas of the world do need bottled water to supply their populace, but as a trendy pop culture symbol it is unacceptable when in major cities that which can supply drinkable tap water are shunned.
Though I do admit that many cities and countries seem to be unable to supply quality drinking water, I'm thankful that mine does, but really that is something that should be fixed, clean water is a right almost everyone should have.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:47 am

I wonder how much money I could make selling bottles of water just outside the town......
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Postby Mushtachemushroom » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:11 am

I'm not really sure about it,but i'm leaning towards agreeing: Instead of making people pay for bottled water the city is putting up water fountians,wich are free and can be used by everyone more often. Tap water tastes no different than bottled water, most of the bottled water that " comes from a mountain spring" comes from where all the rest of the water comes from. The chemicals in the bottles are sometimes harmful and those bottles themselves take years to break down in a landfill.However, on the side of bottled water, sometimes tap water is not filtered,has all sorts of chemichals in it and sometimes carries pathogens,viruses and bacteria (ex:E.coli)

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Postby Baycosa » Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:07 am

Ifreann wrote:I wonder how much money I could make selling bottles of water just outside the town......


If you sell them to people stuck in traffic or morning, midday communters, quite a bundle I reckon if it's cold water.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:08 am

Baycosa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I wonder how much money I could make selling bottles of water just outside the town......


If you sell them to people stuck in traffic or morning, midday communters, quite a bundle I reckon if it's cold water.

Naturally. Warm water is for washing and swimming, not drinking.
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Postby Eriscia » Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:12 am

I think that's stupid. I mean, if you want to do that in some communist nation or something, whatever. But to do it in a "free" nation is absurd. People have the right to buy bottled water if they want without interference from the government. If they really want to do the world a favor, ban ALL bottled products. Pop, juice, anything that comes in a bottle should be outted. Instead of making bottled water ILLEGAL, why not give the people alternatives, i.e.: set-up CLEAN drinking fountains, start making it easier for local people to get those big jug of waters, or even push towards people getting those Brita things.

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