ADL Statement on Ground Zero Mosque

[The Bleeding Roses]

Debating isn't about compromise people...

[Sun Aut Ex]

Sun Aut Ex seems to think making baseless accusation against all Muslims needs no proof, therefore in my book he fails at debating.

You're asking for the impossible. I can't go out and poll every single Muslim. But I can look at the world, see the many, many, MANY and frequent atrocities commit in the name of Islam, and for me, that's enough to conclude that these guys are not friendly guys.

[Seculartopia]

Debating isn't about compromise people...

Who said it was?

[Seculartopia]

Sun Aut Ex seems to think making baseless accusation against all Muslims needs no proof, therefore in my book he fails at debating.

You're asking for the impossible. I can't go out and poll every single Muslim. But I can look at the world, see the many, many, MANY and frequent atrocities commit in the name of Islam, and for me, that's enough to conclude that these guys are not friendly guys.

Did you care to notice that the majority of muslims in the Middle East itself are rather against radicalism?

[Sun Aut Ex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws ... n_violence

Whoa. Eight murders in sixteen years. What an epidemic.

[Katganistan]

Riiight, because Jews are no longer being brought up being told that they are god's chosen people, and Christians are NEVER holier-than-thou towards non-Christians.

Apart from a tiny deluded minority, they're not running around screaming it. And they're certainly not using force.

Right. Like when they kill doctors who preform abortions.

Right, how often does that happen, again?

When's the last time an extremist tried to crash a plane into a tower?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/us/19crash.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/05/t ... index.html
Damn their Muslim eyes.

[Galiria]

Sun Aut Ex seems to think making baseless accusation against all Muslims needs no proof, therefore in my book he fails at debating.

You're asking for the impossible. I can't go out and poll every single Muslim. But I can look at the world, see the many, many, MANY and frequent atrocities commit in the name of Islam, and for me, that's enough to conclude that these guys are not friendly guys.

And I can look at the MANY MANY MANY MANY atrocities commited by the white race, and by Christians, and by Asians, and by Africans, and by fish and concluded that these guys are not friendly guys, and thus must have their rights taken away.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Did you care to notice that the majority of muslims in the Middle East itself are rather against radicalism?

Proof? I've seen enough to conclude otherwise.

[The Bleeding Roses]

Debating isn't about compromise people...

Who said it was?

"No, but he appears to be refusing to argue sensibly or take into account Canadai's posts and points until Canadai agrees with him. In my books that's failing at the whole 'debate' thing."

[Seculartopia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence
http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws ... n_violence

Whoa. Eight murders in sixteen years. What an epidemic.

Its still widespread and blatant violence. I could say that Christians are violent, and therefore we should restrict Christianity as Domestic Terrorism.

[Seculartopia]

Debating isn't about compromise people...

Who said it was?

"No, but he appears to be refusing to argue sensibly or take into account Canadai's posts and points until Canadai agrees with him. In my books that's failing at the whole 'debate' thing."

"Taking into account" does not mean compromise. It means "to notice and to present evidence against".

[Sun Aut Ex]

And I can and have looked at the MANY MANY MANY MANY atrocities commited by the white race, and by Christians, and by Asians, and by Africans, and by fish and concluded that these guys are not friendly guys, and thus must have their rights taken away.

Really? I don't terrorism commuted every day by Christians in the name of Christianity.

Argue contemporary and argue relevant.

[Galiria]

Debating isn't about compromise people...

Who said it was?

"No, but he appears to be refusing to argue sensibly or take into account Canadai's posts and points until Canadai agrees with him. In my books that's failing at the whole 'debate' thing."

I'm not saying compromise, but don't ignore the other side. That's all I'm saying, he seems to think ignoring Canadai's argument rather than refuting it means he will win, that is failing as far as I'm concerned.

[Seculartopia]

And I can and have looked at the MANY MANY MANY MANY atrocities commited by the white race, and by Christians, and by Asians, and by Africans, and by fish and concluded that these guys are not friendly guys, and thus must have their rights taken away.

Really? I don't terrorism commuted every day by Christians in the name of Christianity.

Argue contemporary and argue relevant.

Thats because, again, you do not hear about it as much.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Its still widespread and blatant violence. I could say that Christians are violent, and therefore we should restrict Christianity as Domestic Terrorism.

And you'd be wrong. Eight murders in 16 year isn't anything. There've been more murders over Cheez Whiz in the same period of time.

[The Bleeding Roses]

Debating isn't about compromise people...

Who said it was?

"No, but he appears to be refusing to argue sensibly or take into account Canadai's posts and points until Canadai agrees with him. In my books that's failing at the whole 'debate' thing."

"Taking into account" does not mean compromise. It means "to notice and to present evidence against".

"until Canadai agrees with him."

I would rather not have to define this simple phrase to you.

[Galiria]

And I can and have looked at the MANY MANY MANY MANY atrocities commited by the white race, and by Christians, and by Asians, and by Africans, and by fish and concluded that these guys are not friendly guys, and thus must have their rights taken away.

Really? I don't terrorism commuted every day by Christians in the name of Christianity.

Argue contemporary and argue relevant.

Argue relevant? Very well,
All women should have their rights taken away. So should the French.

[Seculartopia]

Its still widespread and blatant violence. I could say that Christians are violent, and therefore we should restrict Christianity as Domestic Terrorism.

And you'd be wrong. Eight murders in 16 year isn't anything. There've been more murders over Cheez Whiz in the same period of time.

Thats just on Anti-Abortion Violence.

And Domestic Terrorism is Domestic Terrorism. Id say if Muslims did it, youd be back on square one with this point again.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Thats because, again, you do not hear about it as much.

If Christians did nearly as much killing in the name of their religion as Muslims did, I'm sure it'd fucking come up.

[Seculartopia]

Debating isn't about compromise people...

Who said it was?

"No, but he appears to be refusing to argue sensibly or take into account Canadai's posts and points until Canadai agrees with him. In my books that's failing at the whole 'debate' thing."

"Taking into account" does not mean compromise. It means "to notice and to present evidence against".

"until Canadai agrees with him."

I would rather not have to define this simple phrase to you.

Thats saying that Sun is basically ignoring Canadai's posts and awaits Canadai to just agree with him rather than feel the need to challenge anything.

[Galiria]

Debating isn't about compromise people...

Who said it was?

"No, but he appears to be refusing to argue sensibly or take into account Canadai's posts and points until Canadai agrees with him. In my books that's failing at the whole 'debate' thing."

"Taking into account" does not mean compromise. It means "to notice and to present evidence against".

"until Canadai agrees with him."

I would rather not have to define this simple phrase to you.

So what we get is

"No, but he appears to be refusing to argue sensibly or "to notice and to present evidence against" Canadai's posts and points until Canadai agrees with him. In my books that's failing at the whole 'debate' thing"

which makes perfect sense and is not compromise.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Argue relevant? Very well,
All women should have their rights taken away. So should the French.

A) She's clearly crazy.
B) You don't get to choose being female or French. You do get to choose being Muslim.

And Domestic Terrorism is Domestic Terrorism. Id say if Muslims did it, youd be back on square one with this point again.

If Muslims did it... it'd just be part of the statistic.

[Karsol]

Thats because, again, you do not hear about it as much.

If Christians did nearly as much killing in the name of their religion as Muslims did, I'm sure it'd fucking come up.

Or not, because they have the God-Given right to kill people in the new-holy land of America.

Or that is what I get from Glenn Beck.

[Baltenstein]

Sun Aut Ex seems to think making baseless accusation against all Muslims needs no proof, therefore in my book he fails at debating.

You're asking for the impossible. I can't go out and poll every single Muslim. But I can look at the world, see the many, many, MANY and frequent atrocities commit in the name of Islam, and for me, that's enough to conclude that these guys are not friendly guys.

And I can look at the MANY MANY MANY MANY atrocities commited by the white race, and by Christians, and by Asians, and by Africans, and by fish and concluded that these guys are not friendly guys, and thus must have their rights taken away.

Biggest mass murderers in the world have to be the Blue Whales. An adult Blue Whale eats up to 3,5 tons of krill per day - that's the equivalent of 40 million krill individuals. In other words, he kills 40 millions sentient beings on a DAILY BASIS. By digesting them, no less.
The Japanese aren't doing enough to end this krillocaust madness.

[The Bleeding Roses]

Your statement still lacks any merit if it contains the "until Canadai agrees with him".
A debate cannot simply be failed by wishing for the other party to agree with them.

Remove that bit and it makes perfect sense.