ADL Statement on Ground Zero Mosque

[Katganistan]

Freedom of religion stops the moment that religion poses a threat to national security.

Right. Well, where are the mass deportations of Muslims? the concentration --er, sorry, relocation camps for Muslims? I don't think I've seen any of them forced to wear the crescent moon and star on their clothes yet.....

And really, was there a huge outcry against Christianity when Timothy McVeigh did the OK City Federal Building? No? I mean he WAS from a Catholic family....

[Sun Aut Ex]

He was saying that the attack was the result of years of idiotic foreign policy in the mid-east.

Yep, that innocent family, including the four year old girl, had it coming.

[Katganistan]

Freedom of religion stops the moment that religion poses a threat to national security.

Last time I check, 9/11 wasn't an attack by Islam, it was an attack by a radical group that used Islam as justification for their attacks and Anti-American Sentiments.

Also, I wasn't aware that the 1st amendment had a clause that we could suspend Freedom of Religion when we want to.

Sorry, but I'm no longer buying that you are a "law" student, because you seem pretty damn ignorant about the law.

Islam is a radical institution, take a look at the world around you.
That being said, the first amendment protections for religion do not allow for construction of buildings wherever the hell one wants. Surely you can recognize that.

No, but the building codes for NYC do, and guess what? They're within the restrictions the law set out.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Which came on after Europe attacked them? It went back and forth a lot.

Yeah... no. You just made that up. Muslims started it by invading Europe.

[Karsol]

Christians are not running around screaming about how everyone who doesn't do what they say is going to hell? Seriously, where do you live? I want to go there.

Face it, Christians and Muslims are the same, they insist everyone followed their rules or else. If, as you seem to think, there are no moderate Muslims who keep to themselves, then clearly there are no moderate Christians who keep to themselves either. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are just three sides of the same coin (with the Jews being the edge naturally, since they're the smallest group .)

Christianity: You know, if you don't believe in Jesus, you'll end up in hell one day from the end of a noose...specially if you are Afro-Caribbean/American
Islam: You know, if you don't believe in Allah, you'll end up in hell. Now. Via an AK-47.

[Karsol]

Which came on after Europe attacked them? It went back and forth a lot.

Yeah... no. You just made that up. Muslims started it by invading Europe.

In Spain... half the world away...

[The Bleeding Roses]

Freedom of religion stops the moment that religion poses a threat to national security.

Right. Well, where are the mass deportations of Muslims? the concentration --er, sorry, relocation camps for Muslims? I don't think I've seen any of them forced to wear the crescent moon and star on their clothes yet.....

And really, was there a huge outcry against Christianity when Timothy McVeigh did the OK City Federal Building? No? I mean he WAS from a Catholic family....

It doesn't take much to be able to pinpoint a practicing Muslim in a crowd...

That being said, there are far too many liberal apologists in office for us to take the steps we need to in order to deal with the problem.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Considering how many your "God" fearing Americans killed with their helicopters during the initial invasion, you've got a fuckload to answer for.

This has nothing, NOTHING to do with the American invasion. How can "America started it" ever justify a terrorist attacking an innocent family?

Because that's what you're doing.

[Katganistan]

Two words, Property Rights.

Two more words. Building Codes.

Progress again. The building codes allow their planned construction. Hence barring it would be on the basis of what, exactly?

[Wilgrove]

Which came on after Europe attacked them? It went back and forth a lot.

Yeah... no. You just made that up. Muslims started it by invading Europe.

Actually Christianity started by invading Europe. Charlemagne slaughtered thousands of Germanic people in the name of Christ.

[Sun Aut Ex]

In Spain... half the world away...

And?

[The Bleeding Roses]

Freedom of religion stops the moment that religion poses a threat to national security.

Last time I check, 9/11 wasn't an attack by Islam, it was an attack by a radical group that used Islam as justification for their attacks and Anti-American Sentiments.

Also, I wasn't aware that the 1st amendment had a clause that we could suspend Freedom of Religion when we want to.

Sorry, but I'm no longer buying that you are a "law" student, because you seem pretty damn ignorant about the law.

Islam is a radical institution, take a look at the world around you.
That being said, the first amendment protections for religion do not allow for construction of buildings wherever the hell one wants. Surely you can recognize that.

No, but the building codes for NYC do, and guess what? They're within the restrictions the law set out.

I take it you are 3 pages behind in the discussion. I have already mentioned that building codes in NYC can, and have, been modified to prohibit certain building types.

[Karsol]

In Spain... half the world away...

And?

Wouldn't it of made sense to..you know... unify against the Berbers,and not the Arabs?

[Sun Aut Ex]

Actually Christianity started by invading Europe. Charlemagne slaughtered thousands of Germanic people in the name of Christ.

And this is relevant to the current discussion how?

Islam: If you keep invading my homeland where you have no business being, I will defend myself without caring about collateral damage.

Got it on record. "Spain: Islamic homeland. Give it back."

[Katganistan]

There isn't one in the books that would prevent such construction yet but there certainty can be one.

Also, I have ALWAYS been a supporter of building codes. Keeping low class shit out of good neighborhoods and ugly buildings out of nice areas is a way to keep property values high and to maintain good demographics in an area.

That has nothing to do with building codes and all to do with the fair housing laws, created just to bar the kind of "we don't want your kind in our neighborhood" bullshit you're talking about.

[Katganistan]

There isn't one in the books that would prevent such construction yet but there certainty can be one.

Also, I have ALWAYS been a supporter of building codes. Keeping low class shit out of good neighborhoods and ugly buildings out of nice areas is a way to keep property values high and to maintain good demographics in an area.

Translation, I support deregulation and Property Rights, as long as the darkies and brownies know their place and stay there.

Who the Hel is going to hire you as a lawyer, the Ku Klux Klan?

Good demographics is referring to class, not race. A trailer park is just as damaging to a community as a Newports and 40s shop.

Good thing they're building neither there.

[Sun Aut Ex]

The same way THE MUSLIMS STARTED IT justified the crusades.

The Crusades were directly caused by the Muslim invasion of Europe. Some guy blowing up an innocent family in Iraq was not directly cause by the US invasion. See the difference?

[Wilgrove]

Actually Christianity started by invading Europe. Charlemagne slaughtered thousands of Germanic people in the name of Christ.

And this is relevant to the current discussion how?

Eh the same way that the discussion on who started the Crusades is relevant.

[Krytenia]

What is wrong with this? I see nothing wrong? They should be able to build a mosque wherever they damn please.

Muslims blew those buildings down and killed 3,000 people there. Muslims shouldn't be allowed to make such a pro-terroristic statement as building a mosque on the spot.

Fundamentalist, foaming-at-the-mouth Muslims blew those buildings down and killed 3,000 people there.

Muslim =/= terrorist.

Now put. The cookie. Down.

[Katganistan]

There isn't one in the books that would prevent such construction yet but there certainty can be one.

Also, I have ALWAYS been a supporter of building codes. Keeping low class shit out of good neighborhoods and ugly buildings out of nice areas is a way to keep property values high and to maintain good demographics in an area.

Translation, I support deregulation and Property Rights, as long as the darkies and brownies know their place and stay there.

Who the Hel is going to hire you as a lawyer, the Ku Klux Klan?

Good demographics is referring to class, not race. A trailer park is just as damaging to a community as a Newports and 40s shop.

Yea, you're still coming off as a racist Islamophobe, sorry. The simple fact is, that as long as the Mosque complies with all the building codes in NYC (and I don't see why they wouldn't, despite the secret wet dreams of some posters on here), they have the right to build on that property. IE, Property Rights.

New York has passed similar legislation before. Times Square used to be a redlight district till Guilianni rezoned it and prohibited pornographic theaters from operating within 500 feet of a home.

Because porn theaters, drug users and hookers = mosques and Muslim American families.

[Sun Aut Ex]

I was talking about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and whoever else the Americans are raping, but nice try.

None of which the US was in when 9/11 occurred.

Nice try.

[Galiria]

Christians are not running around screaming about how everyone who doesn't do what they say is going to hell? Seriously, where do you live? I want to go there.

Face it, Christians and Muslims are the same, they insist everyone followed their rules or else. If, as you seem to think, there are no moderate Muslims who keep to themselves, then clearly there are no moderate Christians who keep to themselves either. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are just three sides of the same coin (with the Jews being the edge naturally, since they're the smallest group .)

Christianity: You know, if you don't believe in Jesus, you'll end up in hell one day.
Islam: You know, if you don't believe in Allah, you'll end up in hell. Now. Via an AK-47.

No, seriously, where do you live? Not only does the Quran not mention AK-47s, but most Muslims won't even threaten you with a blade of grass, let alone a gun.

[Karsol]

Actually Christianity started by invading Europe. Charlemagne slaughtered thousands of Germanic people in the name of Christ.

And this is relevant to the current discussion how?
Makes you look a Hypocrite?

Islam: If you keep invading my homeland where you have no business being, I will defend myself without caring about collateral damage.

Got it on record. "Spain: Islamic homeland. Give it back."

[Vervaria]

I was talking about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and whoever else the Americans are raping, but nice try.

None of which the US was in when 9/11 occurred.

Nice try.

Because Iraq totally had anything to do with 9/11, right?

[Sun Aut Ex]

Eh the same way that the discussion on who started the Crusades is relevant.

It's relevant because the Muslims triggered the Crusades by invading Europe, and their attitude hasn't changed since.

Actually, it's gotten worse.

Because porn theaters, drug users and hookers = mosques and Muslim American families.

If you can use the law to keep one thing out, you can use it on another thing.