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Weathergeeks wrote: why bother when you REALLY think having the RIGHT to own a handgun is somehow going to stop the next 9-11 like attacl or invasion by a hostile power....

Handguns wouldn't be very helpful, but in a guerilla war rifles would be.

Handguns would be more useful against your local orcs.

Weathergeeks wrote:

Intangelon wrote:

Tergnitz wrote:

Intangelon wrote:

Tergnitz wrote:"They're socialists, they assume that what they want to do is necessarily the best thing for everyone else. They have to save us from ourselves."

So it was socialists who passed the USA PATRIOT Act, then?

When it's "national security" (whether it actually is or not), that's just peachy. Got it.

National security is a different matter. The individual citizen can't protect themselves from terrorist groups or a hostile state. However, when it comes to their choice of healthcare, education and employment, this is when socialists try and step in and dictate to their citizens as to how they should act / what they should do. Got that?

I can't protect myself from a terrorist? What about all that Second Amendment bluster?

Also, choice of healthcare COVERAGE is exactly what the recent legislation has offered. Education is free, as it should be, and employment, I'm not sure what you're on about there.

As far as I can see, there's nothing keeping anyone from educating themselves, defending themselves, insuring themselves or employing themselves.

So no, unless all I was supposed to "get" was that you're all bluster and no relevance, I don't got it. Care to try again?

why bother when you REALLY think having the RIGHT to own a handgun is somehow going to stop the next 9-11 like attacl or invasion by a hostile power....

and the healthcare thing which I support BTW ... the way it is done is clearly unconstitutional since the fed govt is essentially forcing the individual to BUY healthcare.

You honestly think a bunch of terrorist cowards is going to enjoy the prospect of invading the US as a gun-happy and relentlessly xenophobic society? The "next 9-11" WAS thwarted by vigilant passengers who stopped the "shoe bomber" before he could blow up the plane he was on. The only weapon effective against paranoid vigilance is time, and the terrorists are certainly that patient. But don't think for a moment that a nation armed is going to sit back and let bin Laden's goons get away with anything.

As to your second point, unconstitutional? The burden of proof is on you, sir.

Weathergeeks wrote:

Chrobalta wrote:Were not arrogant because we are correct. We are arrogant because we like to rub in the fact that we are usually correct.

classic left wing kook-ism

What's a kook? And where can I get one?

Buffett and Colbert wrote:

Weathergeeks wrote:

Chrobalta wrote:Were not arrogant because we are correct. We are arrogant because we like to rub in the fact that we are usually correct.

classic left wing kook-ism

What's a kook? And where can I get one?

Israel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Isaac_Kook

A quiet majority of people are actually conservative, not liberal. Though many people THINK they are liberal.

Kalibarr wrote:

Buffett and Colbert wrote:

Weathergeeks wrote:

Chrobalta wrote:Were not arrogant because we are correct. We are arrogant because we like to rub in the fact that we are usually correct.

classic left wing kook-ism

What's a kook? And where can I get one?

Israel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Isaac_Kook

Cronne wrote:A quiet majority of people are actually conservative, not liberal. Though many people THINK they are liberal.

>.>
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I think I'm liberal, so does that mean I'm really conservative? And if so, do I get kicked out of the liberal cabal of doom and mayhem?

Cronne wrote:A quiet majority of people are actually conservative, not liberal. Though many people THINK they are liberal.

Ahh yes, the ol' "Most people think the same as me, they just don't know it!" routine.

Intangelon wrote:a bunch of terrorist cowards

How are terrorists cowards? As opposed to, say, the brave men who gallantly bomb weddings from miles up.

Cronne wrote:A quiet majority of people are actually conservative, not liberal. Though many people THINK they are liberal.

Is that what they call the "Silent Majority"?

The Rich Port wrote:

Cronne wrote:A quiet majority of people are actually conservative, not liberal. Though many people THINK they are liberal.

Is that what they call the "Silent Majority"?

Meh

Cronne wrote:

Kalibarr wrote:

Buffett and Colbert wrote:

Weathergeeks wrote:

Chrobalta wrote:Were not arrogant because we are correct. We are arrogant because we like to rub in the fact that we are usually correct.

classic left wing kook-ism

What's a kook? And where can I get one?

Israel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Isaac_Kook

it really wasn't that funny...

Honestly, this is nothing more than a thread generalizing about leftists on this forum without any backing evidence. I could just as easily state "all rightists on this forum have poor grammar and love Sarah Palin" and my assertion would be equally valid. Maybe there is some arrogance on the left, there is on the right as well...there are arrogant people period.

One last thing, I don't like Michael Moore being equated with Glenn Beck. Moore at least truly believes in the ideas he puts forth, even if he fudges with the data and is somewhat misleading in his movies, Glenn Beck is nothing more than an opportunist who spouts right wing propoganda in an attempt to elevate himself to godlike status (and make a pretty penny in the process). Sorry, just annoys me to see someone who is actually genuine lumped in with someone who is clearly not. Now compare Moore with someone like Ben Stein and I'm more willing to agree. This has absolutely nothing to do with the thread so...

Our L Lawliet wrote:

Cronne wrote:A quiet majority of people are actually conservative, not liberal. Though many people THINK they are liberal.

Ahh yes, the ol' "Most people think the same as me, they just don't know it!" routine.

Ahh yes, the ol' "I don't have a real answer" routine.

Click and Stand wrote:Honestly, this is nothing more than a thread generalizing about leftists on this forum without any backing evidence. I could just as easily state "all rightists on this forum have poor grammar and love Sarah Palin" and my assertion would be equally valid. Maybe there is some arrogance on the left, there is on the right as well...there are arrogant people period.

One last thing, I don't like Michael Moore being equated with Glenn Beck. Moore at least truly believes in the ideas he puts forth, even if he fudges with the data and is somewhat misleading in his movies, Glenn Beck is nothing more than an opportunist who spouts right wing propoganda in an attempt to elevate himself to godlike status (and make a pretty penny in the process). Sorry, just annoys me to see someone who is actually genuine lumped in with someone who is clearly not. Now compare Moore with someone like Ben Stein and I'm more willing to agree. This has absolutely nothing to do with the thread so...

Everyone is equally arrogant, damn, why do you have to be right!?
Honestly, including yours truly, every ideology is fairly arrogant. Regarding Michael Moore, he's a fucking pussy.

Tokos wrote:

Intangelon wrote:a bunch of terrorist cowards

How are terrorists cowards? As opposed to, say, the brave men who gallantly bomb weddings from miles up.

The Taliban recruit child terrorists to strap bombs to themselves and destroy buildings. They do qualify as cowards. You don't see Osama bin Ladin blowing himself up! At least Bush was in the National Guard! Course he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, granted.
I am pissed...

The Ben Boys wrote:

Tokos wrote:

Intangelon wrote:a bunch of terrorist cowards

How are terrorists cowards? As opposed to, say, the brave men who gallantly bomb weddings from miles up.

The Taliban recruit child terrorists to strap bombs to themselves and destroy buildings. They do qualify as cowards. You don't see Osama bin Ladin blowing himself up! At least Bush was in the National Guard! Course he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, granted.
I am pissed...

Would you blow yourself up for a cause?

I in no way condone what terrorists do, but a suicide bomber does have courage.

Person012345 wrote:

The Ben Boys wrote:

Tokos wrote:

Intangelon wrote:a bunch of terrorist cowards

How are terrorists cowards? As opposed to, say, the brave men who gallantly bomb weddings from miles up.

The Taliban recruit child terrorists to strap bombs to themselves and destroy buildings. They do qualify as cowards. You don't see Osama bin Ladin blowing himself up! At least Bush was in the National Guard! Course he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, granted.
I am pissed...

Would you blow yourself up for a cause?

I in no way condone what terrorists do, but a suicide bomber does have courage.

Agreed, they have a lot more courage then a lot of people in the West are usually willing to give them. Then again you would need balls of steel to take on a gigantic military power with nothing more then an AK-47 and some prayers.

Heh, this thread seems arrogant...irony, anyone?

Click and Stand wrote:Honestly, this is nothing more than a thread generalizing about leftists on this forum without any backing evidence. I could just as easily state "all rightists on this forum have poor grammar and love Sarah Palin" and my assertion would be equally valid. Maybe there is some arrogance on the left, there is on the right as well...there are arrogant people period.

One last thing, I don't like Michael Moore being equated with Glenn Beck. Moore at least truly believes in the ideas he puts forth, even if he fudges with the data and is somewhat misleading in his movies, Glenn Beck is nothing more than an opportunist who spouts right wing propoganda in an attempt to elevate himself to godlike status (and make a pretty penny in the process). Sorry, just annoys me to see someone who is actually genuine lumped in with someone who is clearly not. Now compare Moore with someone like Ben Stein and I'm more willing to agree. This has absolutely nothing to do with the thread so...

Wrong, not that I'm a fan of Glenn Beck but his reasons for spouting his propaganda are one and the same with Micheal Moore's, Micheal Moore is rich, very rich, does that not absolutely contradict his own philosophies of capitalism is bad. At least Glenn Beck isn't a hypocrite.

Tokos wrote:

Intangelon wrote:a bunch of terrorist cowards

How are terrorists cowards? As opposed to, say, the brave men who gallantly bomb weddings from miles up.

Ah, the Bill Maher argument.

Cowardice comes in all flavors, and I don't think it's cowardly to follow orders inside a jet that takes years to qualify in. It's not brave to brainwash simple-minded poor folk into thinking they're going to get laid by virgins in heaven (that's a good thing?) by blowing up non-combatants on the bus. If we can have varying levels of murder in the justice system, there can be levels of most anything else, including cowardice.

So, following orders and flying a jet = cowardice 5.
Convincing someone with no life and no hope of advancement to do something that will give his family money but cost him his own life and kill innocent people = cowardice 1.

The Adrian Empire wrote:

Click and Stand wrote:Honestly, this is nothing more than a thread generalizing about leftists on this forum without any backing evidence. I could just as easily state "all rightists on this forum have poor grammar and love Sarah Palin" and my assertion would be equally valid. Maybe there is some arrogance on the left, there is on the right as well...there are arrogant people period.

One last thing, I don't like Michael Moore being equated with Glenn Beck. Moore at least truly believes in the ideas he puts forth, even if he fudges with the data and is somewhat misleading in his movies, Glenn Beck is nothing more than an opportunist who spouts right wing propoganda in an attempt to elevate himself to godlike status (and make a pretty penny in the process). Sorry, just annoys me to see someone who is actually genuine lumped in with someone who is clearly not. Now compare Moore with someone like Ben Stein and I'm more willing to agree. This has absolutely nothing to do with the thread so...

Wrong, not that I'm a fan of Glenn Beck but his reasons for spouting his propaganda are one and the same with Micheal Moore's, Micheal Moore is rich, very rich, does that not absolutely contradict his own philosophies of capitalism is bad. At least Glenn Beck isn't a hypocrite.

But Micheal Moore isn't a mormon, so it's all even.

Penguton wrote:Heh, this thread seems arrogant...irony, anyone?

♪ Wah wah wah ♪

CHILD SOLDIERS, does anyone get that? They take us on because they think that it's for Allah, but they are actually dishonoring Islam. The CHILD SOLDIERS don't even know what they're doing! The only people that are worse are the Nazis, and it's a close call.

The Ben Boys wrote:CHILD SOLDIERS, does anyone get that? They take us on because they think that it's for Allah, but they are actually dishonoring Islam. The CHILD SOLDIERS don't even know what they're doing! The only people that are worse are the Nazis, and it's a close call.

I'm pretty sure we're not talking about Islam here...

The Rich Port wrote:

The Ben Boys wrote:CHILD SOLDIERS, does anyone get that? They take us on because they think that it's for Allah, but they are actually dishonoring Islam. The CHILD SOLDIERS don't even know what they're doing! The only people that are worse are the Nazis, and it's a close call.

I'm pretty sure we're not talking about Islam here...

Barack HUSSEIN Obama (AKA The Kenyan Moslem) proves that leftism and radical Islam are intrinsically linked. They both hate America's Freedoms and work hard to destroy them.