Leftist Arrogance

[Intangelon]

Despite the laws of the land where said "unwashed" live? And this thread is about the arrogance of the left?

Leftists are just as fond of holding "the masses" in contempt. Prop 8…

Not sure how that example aids your point. I hold anyone in contempt who seeks to abrogate the rights of an entire group of people. Such ignorant reactionary behavior deserves little else but contempt.

When someone says "the great unwashed" shouldn't get to vote, I think that's one hell of a lot more arrogant than saying "those who did vote for divisive and unnecessary scaremongering like Prop 8 are contemptuous". At least the latter aren't claiming that they should be disenfranchised for voting for a choice unfavorable to them.

[Intangelon]

"They're socialists, they assume that what they want to do is necessarily the best thing for everyone else. They have to save us from ourselves."

So it was socialists who passed the USA PATRIOT Act, then?

When it's "national security" (whether it actually is or not), that's just peachy. Got it.

[Novariea]

There are arrogant people and there are reasonable people. Ideology doesn't come into it.

Personally I'm a leftist. I've seen a lot of arrogant right-wingers, but I'm not going to pretend there isn't any arrogance on my side of the political spectrum, because there certainly is.

The fact is, there is always going to be some measure of arrogance in politics because, like religion, it's a topic that people usually take very seriously and have very strong beliefs about. And when you believe very strongly about something, it's often very difficult to understand that you may be wrong and that there are other opinions that can be equally valid.

[Concordeia]

The left on NSG operate by means of a bandwagon. One poster does the wok and and the rest reiterate the same nonsense in symphony whereas those of us on the right hate/distrust everyone equally, our fellow right wingers included.

Yeah, pretty much.

Cry me a river there are more Right Wingers here then there are Fascists.

Okay...I'm not really broken up about it. I don't really especially care. At least you don't have hordes of idiots every once in a while claiming to be right wingers that really just spew mindless bullshit and make your positions look bad. At least no one mistakes the people claiming to be fascists as actual fascists unlike with the pseudo-right wingers that are usually populists.

I never see anyone claim to be Fascist. I see a lot of Neo-Nazis claiming to be National Socialists and other nonsense like that but I rarely ever see anyone claim to be fascist who isn't at least.

You don't know about GWO?

[Weathergeeks]

One thing I notice a lot on NS is that in the political section you will find many leftists commenting,
In fact it seems they are in the majority of NS debaters. One thing I notice is that they always seems to feel like any opinion other than theirs is ignorant or wrong, and often cut people off from debating any further.
This is not to say other Ideologies are perfect, oh no do not get me wrong on that, there are plenty of Anarcho Capitalists, Right wing Bible Readers, and Authoritarians who are arrogant and cut people off, but it to me just seems that leftists are the worst offenders.
Thoughts?

yes every idea that some left wing kook here does like Has to be racist or fascist.

they cant just disaagree

[Weathergeeks]

wha ta pathetic apologist you are

The reason I asked is because of the multi-dimensional levels of political ideology. It would be possible to be on the far-right, but still have some leftist views, or vice versa. Myself, for example. I advocate a state-managed, democratically run, nationally-organized social corporatist economy, I don't really care what you do in your personal life (but I hate drug and alcohol use), and I advocate a strong and large military. So I would technically be 1/3 leftist, 1/3 centrist, and 1/3 rightist, but I still consider myself to be a leftist.

YUGH... If only countries were run by something OTHER than politics... I wonder what a Buddhist state would be like...

You don't like my politic?

Well, for a Buddhist state, look at Tibet. Overrun by Maoist China. Even before, they were limited in economic power and international standing.

Tibet before China was a feudal society with the Lama class at the head of the table, handing out very meager scraps to those serving the Lama class. Save Tibet? Already done, comparatively speaking regarding the underclasses.

[Intangelon]

wha ta pathetic apologist you are

The reason I asked is because of the multi-dimensional levels of political ideology. It would be possible to be on the far-right, but still have some leftist views, or vice versa. Myself, for example. I advocate a state-managed, democratically run, nationally-organized social corporatist economy, I don't really care what you do in your personal life (but I hate drug and alcohol use), and I advocate a strong and large military. So I would technically be 1/3 leftist, 1/3 centrist, and 1/3 rightist, but I still consider myself to be a leftist.

YUGH... If only countries were run by something OTHER than politics... I wonder what a Buddhist state would be like...

You don't like my politic?

Well, for a Buddhist state, look at Tibet. Overrun by Maoist China. Even before, they were limited in economic power and international standing.

Tibet before China was a feudal society with the Lama class at the head of the table, handing out very meager scraps to those serving the Lama class. Save Tibet? Already done, comparatively speaking regarding the underclasses.

Uh...okay. If you say so. Usually I like a little fact with my unnecessary abuse, but hey.

[Tergnitz]

"They're socialists, they assume that what they want to do is necessarily the best thing for everyone else. They have to save us from ourselves."

So it was socialists who passed the USA PATRIOT Act, then?

When it's "national security" (whether it actually is or not), that's just peachy. Got it.

National security is a different matter. The individual citizen can't protect themselves from terrorist groups or a hostile state. However, when it comes to their choice of healthcare, education and employment, this is when socialists try and step in and dictate to their citizens as to how they should act / what they should do. Got that?

[The Rich Port]

"They're socialists, they assume that what they want to do is necessarily the best thing for everyone else. They have to save us from ourselves."

So it was socialists who passed the USA PATRIOT Act, then?

When it's "national security" (whether it actually is or not), that's just peachy. Got it.

National security is a different matter. The individual citizen can't protect themselves from terrorist groups or a hostile state. However, when it comes to their choice of healthcare, education and employment, this is when socialists try and step in and dictate to their citizens as to how they should act / what they should do. Got that?

You forget: individual citizens compose the Armed Forces. The citizenship CREATED the Armed Forces in an effort to organize the defense of their homes and land from the British and from Native Americans. And if not the citizenship, the people they elect. You also forget governments are composed of individual citizens... So, I dunno. Just something to keep in mind: the government is not this big, scary thing you don't have any power against. The government exists because individual citizens allow it to.

[Katganistan]

Two words.

Glenn Beck.

Michael Moore.

Sean Hannity.
Rush Limbaugh.
Mark Levin.

[Katganistan]

The real question is how arrogant and uppity is that Panzerjaeger fellow?

Who?


I jest, I jest.

[The Rich Port]

Two words.

Glenn Beck.

Michael Moore.

Sean Hannity.
Rush Limbaugh.
Mark Levin.

*counts on fingers*

That's more like 6 words...

[Seperate Vermont]

Two words.

Glenn Beck.

Michael Moore.

Sean Hannity.
Rush Limbaugh.
Mark Levin.

George W Bush
Justin Bieber
Kim Jong Il

[Chrobalta]

Were not arrogant because we are correct. We are arrogant because we like to rub in the fact that we are usually correct.

[The Rich Port]

Were not arrogant because we are correct. We are arrogant because we like to rub in the fact that we are usually correct.

*slashes hand across throat repeatedly, mouthing NOT NOW, NOT NOW*

[Katganistan]

majority of leftists have no lives and spend most or all their time on the internet so... not at all surprised.

As opposed to the rightists who are not on the internet at all?

Really, now, haven't you a better argument than playground insults?

[Katganistan]

The left on NSG operate by means of a bandwagon. One poster does the wok and and the rest reiterate the same nonsense in symphony whereas those of us on the right hate/distrust everyone equally, our fellow right wingers included.

Yeah, pretty much.

I can't be the only one who thought this post was hysterical.

I'ma thinking about my acquaintances Pot and Kettle.

[Katganistan]

The left on NSG operate by means of a bandwagon. One poster does the wok and they all bandwagon and the rest reiterate the same nonsense in symphony whereas those of us on the right hate/distrust everyone equally, our fellow right wingers included.

It's funny, because that never happens come Election Day.

Obama was elected on a wave of ooh charisma, not because the left got together and got organized. They wouldn't be the left if that happened

What are you talking about? Obama's campaign was very well organised, as well as proving that political power really should not be given to the great unwashed.

Despite the laws of the land where said "unwashed" live? And this thread is about the arrogance of the left?

Yeah.... wasn't it the Constitution that delineated all that stuff?

[Katganistan]

Two words.

Glenn Beck.

Michael Moore.

Sean Hannity.
Rush Limbaugh.
Mark Levin.

George W Bush
Justin Bieber
Kim Jong Il

Off topic much?

[Intangelon]

"They're socialists, they assume that what they want to do is necessarily the best thing for everyone else. They have to save us from ourselves."

So it was socialists who passed the USA PATRIOT Act, then?

When it's "national security" (whether it actually is or not), that's just peachy. Got it.

National security is a different matter. The individual citizen can't protect themselves from terrorist groups or a hostile state. However, when it comes to their choice of healthcare, education and employment, this is when socialists try and step in and dictate to their citizens as to how they should act / what they should do. Got that?

I can't protect myself from a terrorist? What about all that Second Amendment bluster?

Also, choice of healthcare COVERAGE is exactly what the recent legislation has offered. Education is free, as it should be, and employment, I'm not sure what you're on about there.

As far as I can see, there's nothing keeping anyone from educating themselves, defending themselves, insuring themselves or employing themselves.

So no, unless all I was supposed to "get" was that you're all bluster and no relevance, I don't got it. Care to try again?

[First of Two]

Two words.

Glenn Beck.

Michael Moore.

Sean Hannity.
Rush Limbaugh.
Mark Levin.

Al Franken.
Dennis Kucinich.
Rosie O'Donnell.
Maxine Walters.
Charles Rangel.
Cynthia McKinney.

We can keep this up as long as your persecution complex lasts, or you can go back, read my first post on this thread, and try desperately to get some perspective rather than proving the OP's point for him.

[The Rich Port]

Two words.

Glenn Beck.

Michael Moore.

Sean Hannity.
Rush Limbaugh.
Mark Levin.

Al Franken.
Dennis Kucinich.
Rosie O'Donnell.
Maxine Walters.
Charles Rangel.
Cynthia McKinney.

We can keep this up as long as your persecution complex lasts, or you can go back, read my first post on this thread, and try desperately to get some perspective rather than proving the OP's point for him.

What the hell does Rosie O'Donnell have to do with liberlals? She's a talk show host, fer Crissakes...

[First of Two]

What the hell does Rosie O'Donnell have to do with liberlals? She's a talk show host, fer Crissakes...

There was her whole hysterical anti-gun (but I have my own armed security guards) phase.

If we're including people who use their talk shows to advance a political agenda, then she's fair game.

[The Rich Port]

What the hell does Rosie O'Donnell have to do with liberlals? She's a talk show host, fer Crissakes...

There was her whole hysterical anti-gun (but I have my own armed security guards) phase.

If we're including people who use their talk shows to advance a political agenda, then she's fair game.

Not to mention the fact she WAS a talk show host. Didn't she retire or something?

And you have to admit, if guns were a bit more regulated in the U.S., there wouldn't be as many illegal firearms on the market.

[SaintB]

I think the vast majority of posters on NS are rather arrogant if you think about it, ideology doesn't matter. Also, people of one ideology tend to think of the opposite as arrogant.