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Are Leftists the most arrogant?

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No
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Every Ideology is equally arrogant
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Leftism is a flawless ideology
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Other
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Postby Risottia » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:22 pm

North cavan wrote:One thing I notice is that they always seems to feel like any opinion other than theirs is ignorant or wrong, and often cut people off from debating any further.

This poster obviously will be turned to stone by sunlight.

but it to me just seems that leftists are the worst offenders.

Solutions:
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2.Find better arguments to persuade people of your own opinions.
3.Grow a skin.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:22 pm

Seriously there are valid claims of arrogance. Meh. Some people are that way.

However there are many claims of arrogance by people who repeat arguments that have been trashed and are simply dismissed outright.....
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:22 pm

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Postby First of Two » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:24 pm

Seculartopia wrote:Arrogance is shortly judging something.

Arrogance isnt refusing to take hold of an idea , its not tolerating it.


Conversely, I find myself under no obligation to tolerate an idea I have examined and found wanting. (Or in some cases, plain stupid.) I don't have to tolerate people who believe in Astrology, or the Nibiru Death Planet, or Young-Earth Creationism, or 9-11 Truthers, or Birthers, for just that reason.

Not all ideas are equally valid.

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:25 pm

Conservative Alliances wrote:Now that I think about it, it may have been on the other forums. I am talking more about the "LOLiareFASCIST!!!LOL" people that pop up.

I haven't really seen that much recently here it is mostly "LOLiareNAZI!!!!!LOL" now though I blame that on the summer letting kids out of school. :p
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Postby Lemonius » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Who's New Nicksyllvania?

The man with the Biker Hussars.


:palm:

You will learn soon enough, when hordes of Nicksyllvania's bayonet charge you while their batshit insane, monocle wearing leader laughs at your pain.
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Postby Conservative Alliances » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:27 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:Now that I think about it, it may have been on the other forums. I am talking more about the "LOLiareFASCIST!!!LOL" people that pop up.

I haven't really seen that much recently here it is mostly "LOLiareNAZI!!!!!LOL" now though I blame that on the summer letting kids out of school. :p

The same reason commies show up this time of year...
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Conservative Alliances wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:Now that I think about it, it may have been on the other forums. I am talking more about the "LOLiareFASCIST!!!LOL" people that pop up.

I haven't really seen that much recently here it is mostly "LOLiareNAZI!!!!!LOL" now though I blame that on the summer letting kids out of school. :p

The same reason commies show up this time of year...

Pretty much. I remember when I used to be a communist joined the Party and the Young Communist League the whole nine. Only to make something awkward by saying the withering away of the State was utter nonsense. I guess communists believe that seriously I then realized I was far too much of a Statist to ever be a communist. :lol2:
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Postby Seperate Vermont » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:29 pm

Conservative Alliances wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:Now that I think about it, it may have been on the other forums. I am talking more about the "LOLiareFASCIST!!!LOL" people that pop up.

I haven't really seen that much recently here it is mostly "LOLiareNAZI!!!!!LOL" now though I blame that on the summer letting kids out of school. :p

The same reason commies show up this time of year...

Oh, Please. The trend of relating "under aged" as the "under educated" to policies you disagree with is rather arrogant in my book.
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Postby Ermarian » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:29 pm

North cavan wrote:One thing I notice a lot on NS is that in the political section you will find many leftists commenting,
In fact it seems they are in the majority of NS debaters. One thing I notice is that they always seems to feel like any opinion other than theirs is ignorant or wrong, and often cut people off from debating any further.
This is not to say other Ideologies are perfect, oh no do not get me wrong on that, there are plenty of Anarcho Capitalists, Right wing Bible Readers, and Authoritarians who are arrogant and cut people off, but it to me just seems that leftists are the worst offenders.
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Every ideology does that. It just seems to be worst in the group you disagree with most.

For example, I find the most arrogance and resistance to open debate to come from conservatives. This is probably because conservatives are the ones I most often oppose in debates here.
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Postby The Resurgent Dream » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:30 pm

First of Two wrote:Would people hate Twilight as much if its' most noticeable fans were NOT bubbleheaded screechy twelve-year-old girls? I don't think so.


I would. The books are utter trash in their own right.

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:32 pm

Seperate Vermont wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:Now that I think about it, it may have been on the other forums. I am talking more about the "LOLiareFASCIST!!!LOL" people that pop up.

I haven't really seen that much recently here it is mostly "LOLiareNAZI!!!!!LOL" now though I blame that on the summer letting kids out of school. :p

The same reason commies show up this time of year...

Oh, Please. The trend of relating "under aged" as the "under educated" to policies you disagree with is rather arrogant in my book.

A lot of communists are rather young though and that is from my experience on both sites like Soviet Empire and RevLeft as well as in political organizations. I wouldn't say they are uneducated at all some are rather well to do humorously enough. I would say it is the Idealistic nature of youth more then anything that attracts people to Communism. Whereas it is the rebelliousness of youth that attracts them to things like Neo-Nazism and various types of ethnic nationalism.
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Postby Conservative Alliances » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:33 pm

Seperate Vermont wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:Now that I think about it, it may have been on the other forums. I am talking more about the "LOLiareFASCIST!!!LOL" people that pop up.

I haven't really seen that much recently here it is mostly "LOLiareNAZI!!!!!LOL" now though I blame that on the summer letting kids out of school. :p

The same reason commies show up this time of year...

Oh, Please. The trend of relating "under aged" as the "under educated" to policies you disagree with is rather arrogant in my book.

The what now? I never said people are undereducated or under aged. I only said that a lot of communists show up when school is out. Twice. Some may be immature, but I won't hold that against them unless they are disruptive. Why are you making up reasons to criticize me?
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Postby First of Two » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:34 pm

The Resurgent Dream wrote:
First of Two wrote:Would people hate Twilight as much if its' most noticeable fans were NOT bubbleheaded screechy twelve-year-old girls? I don't think so.


I would. The books are utter trash in their own right.


Yes, but there are millions of books out there that are utter trash, but much more easily ignored because their fanbase is not loud and annoying (unless you wrk in retail and have to deal with people who think romance novels are high art.)

Would you still hate them? Possibly, but probably not in the same way.

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Postby MisanthropicPopulism » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:34 pm

Can we rename the thread "rightist paranoia"
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Postby Seperate Vermont » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:34 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Seperate Vermont wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:Now that I think about it, it may have been on the other forums. I am talking more about the "LOLiareFASCIST!!!LOL" people that pop up.

I haven't really seen that much recently here it is mostly "LOLiareNAZI!!!!!LOL" now though I blame that on the summer letting kids out of school. :p

The same reason commies show up this time of year...

Oh, Please. The trend of relating "under aged" as the "under educated" to policies you disagree with is rather arrogant in my book.

A lot of communists are rather young though and that is from my experience on both sites like Soviet Empire and RevLeft as well as in political organizations. I wouldn't say they are uneducated at all some are rather well to do humorously enough. I would say it is the Idealistic nature of youth more then anything that attracts people to Communism. Whereas it is the rebelliousness of youth that attracts them to things like Neo-Nazism and various types of ethnic nationalism.

Conservative Alliances wrote:
Seperate Vermont wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:Now that I think about it, it may have been on the other forums. I am talking more about the "LOLiareFASCIST!!!LOL" people that pop up.

I haven't really seen that much recently here it is mostly "LOLiareNAZI!!!!!LOL" now though I blame that on the summer letting kids out of school. :p

The same reason commies show up this time of year...

Oh, Please. The trend of relating "under aged" as the "under educated" to policies you disagree with is rather arrogant in my book.

The what now? I never said people are undereducated or under aged. I only said that a lot of communists show up when school is out. Twice. Some may be immature, but I won't hold that against them unless they are disruptive. Why are you making up reasons to criticize me?


I was simply following a common trend. It doesnt seem you were doing anything different.
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Postby Acadzia » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:34 pm

Canadai wrote:Two words.

Glenn Beck.


I think this is what the OP meant.

Rather than respond, you just picked an easy target and responded in a smarmy manner.

Disclaimer: I'm mostly leftist. But OP, you're right and it irritates me to no end when I'm at a rally or march or something, and everyone is like that.
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Postby Lordieth » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:34 pm

The way people talk here sometimes you'd think the whole forum was populated with Communists and Fascists.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:35 pm

Acadzia wrote:
Canadai wrote:Two words.

Glenn Beck.


I think this is what the OP meant.

Rather than respond, you just picked an easy target and responded in a smarmy manner.

Disclaimer: I'm mostly leftist. But OP, you're right and it irritates me to no end when I'm at a rally or march or something, and everyone is like that.

Hating Glenn Beck isn't just a Leftist thing. ;)
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:36 pm

Lordieth wrote:The way people talk here sometimes you'd think the whole forum was populated with Communists and Fascists.

I get the communists but Fascists? There are not that many here.
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Greater Americania wrote:lol "No Comrade Ivan! Don't stick your head in there! That's the wood chi...!"

New Kereptica wrote:Fascism: because people are too smart nowadays.

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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:36 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Conservative Alliances wrote:
The Bleeding Roses wrote:The left on NSG operate by means of a bandwagon. One poster does the wok and and the rest reiterate the same nonsense in symphony whereas those of us on the right hate/distrust everyone equally, our fellow right wingers included.

Yeah, pretty much.

Cry me a river there are more Right Wingers here then there are Fascists.


Sadly true. The world, and especially the NS world could do with some more fascists.
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Postby The Bleeding Roses » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:37 pm

MisanthropicPopulism wrote:Can we rename the thread "rightist paranoia"

Way to confirm the OP!
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Postby First of Two » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:38 pm

MisanthropicPopulism wrote:Can we rename the thread "rightist paranoia"


Not until the "Bush is gonna start a War with Iran and stay in power forever" theory fades from everyone's memory.*

So, no, not as long as I'm around to beat paranoid leftists over the head with it.


*Of course, this followed the "Clinton is gonna [insert loony thing here] and stay in power forever" theory... which just goes to prove my real point that neither arrogance NOR paranoia is the sole property of any one side.

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Postby Zephie » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:38 pm

Acadzia wrote:
Canadai wrote:Two words.

Glenn Beck.


I think this is what the OP meant.

Rather than respond, you just picked an easy target and responded in a smarmy manner.

Disclaimer: I'm mostly leftist. But OP, you're right and it irritates me to no end when I'm at a rally or march or something, and everyone is like that.

I held up Ron Paul signs during primaries and Hillary voters were shaking their heads at me :P
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:39 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Lordieth wrote:The way people talk here sometimes you'd think the whole forum was populated with Communists and Fascists.

I get the communists but Fascists? There are not that many here.


Again, sadly true.
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