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Honor in the World?

Postby Lizardiar » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:37 pm

Is there any honor in the world anymore?

It should be common sense that a man should never hit a woman, yet it happens all the time.
People should never hit a kid in anger, yet it still happens.

So, I ask you NSG.
Is there any honor in the world anymore?
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Postby Phenia » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:38 pm

Lizardiar wrote:Is there any honor in the world anymore?

It should be common sense that a man should ]never hit a woman, yet it happens all the time.
People should never hit a kid in anger, yet it still happens.

So, I ask you NSG.
Is there any honor in the world anymore?


By saying "anymore" you make it sound as if one time in the world, men would never hit a woman.

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Re: Honor in the World?

Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:40 pm

Phenia wrote:
Lizardiar wrote:Is there any honor in the world anymore?

It should be common sense that a man should never hit a woman, yet it happens all the time.
People should never hit a kid in anger, yet it still happens.

So, I ask you NSG.
Is there any honor in the world anymore?


By saying "anymore" you make it sound as if one time in the world, men would never hit a woman.

Indeed. Men weren't supposed to hit women but they did all the time.

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Re: Honor in the World?

Postby Klonor » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:45 pm

Now hold on for a sec, I think there's an important questions here: Why should a man never hit a woman?

No, this is a serious question, not snarkiness. Assuming we are not subscribing to the belief that women are either superior or inferior to men (Both of which preclude hitting them, since you should never strike someone weaker than you, and you shouldn't hit someone better than you, either) then why should their gender have any impact, either positive or negative, on if they should or should not be hit?

I, personally, subscribe to the belief that you should never hit anyone, but that's from a general sense of pacifism that finds violence abhorrent. If something were to happen to get me to strike someone, man or woman, then they'd damn well deserve it, and their gender should not serve as a protection from their just rewards.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:47 pm

Klonor wrote:Now hold on for a sec, I think there's an important questions here: Why should a man never hit a woman?

No, this is a serious question, not snarkiness. Assuming we are not subscribing to the belief that women are either superior or inferior to men (Both of which preclude hitting them, since you should never strike someone weaker than you, and you shouldn't hit someone better than you, either) then why should their gender have any impact, either positive or negative, on if they should or should not be hit?

I, personally, subscribe to the belief that you should never hit anyone, but that's from a general sense of pacifism that finds violence abhorrent. If something were to happen to get me to strike someone, man or woman, then they'd damn well deserve it, and their gender should not serve as a protection from their just rewards.

This is NSG. We are snarkiness incarnate.

You're right, though, no one should hit anyone else, save in defense and to prevent physical injury to one's self. Gender should not have anything to do with the matter.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:52 pm

Phenia wrote:By saying "anymore" you make it sound as if one time in the world, men would never hit a woman.


I agree. This is a horrible, dastardly thing, but it isn't uncommon.
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Re: Honor in the World?

Postby Lizardiar » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:52 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Klonor wrote:Now hold on for a sec, I think there's an important questions here: Why should a man never hit a woman?

No, this is a serious question, not snarkiness. Assuming we are not subscribing to the belief that women are either superior or inferior to men (Both of which preclude hitting them, since you should never strike someone weaker than you, and you shouldn't hit someone better than you, either) then why should their gender have any impact, either positive or negative, on if they should or should not be hit?

I, personally, subscribe to the belief that you should never hit anyone, but that's from a general sense of pacifism that finds violence abhorrent. If something were to happen to get me to strike someone, man or woman, then they'd damn well deserve it, and their gender should not serve as a protection from their just rewards.

This is NSG. We are snarkiness incarnate.

You're right, though, no one should hit anyone else, save in defense and to prevent physical injury to one's self. Gender should not have anything to do with the matter.


So if a woman slaps you, you would slug her?
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Postby Parthenon » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:53 pm

What do you mean by hitting a kid in anger? Does that include spanking for disciplinary purposes?
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Postby Desperate Measures » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:53 pm

I'm often forced to duel when strange men walk up and punch my wife right in the goddamned face.
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Postby Lizardiar » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:55 pm

Parthenon wrote:What do you mean by hitting a kid in anger? Does that include spanking for disciplinary purposes?



No, not as discipline, I meant that the kid did something you didn't like, not breaking any rules, and you choke the child or just beat him/her.
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Postby Tarlachia » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:59 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:I'm often forced to duel when strange men walk up and punch my wife right in the goddamned face.


That's certainly a moment of you standing over your wife for a moment, "What the hell did you do to deserve that?" before knocking out the offending asshole.

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Postby Exilia and Colonies » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:11 pm

I must admit, being a Brit I rarely encounter honor.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:17 pm

Lizardiar wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Klonor wrote:Now hold on for a sec, I think there's an important questions here: Why should a man never hit a woman?

No, this is a serious question, not snarkiness. Assuming we are not subscribing to the belief that women are either superior or inferior to men (Both of which preclude hitting them, since you should never strike someone weaker than you, and you shouldn't hit someone better than you, either) then why should their gender have any impact, either positive or negative, on if they should or should not be hit?

I, personally, subscribe to the belief that you should never hit anyone, but that's from a general sense of pacifism that finds violence abhorrent. If something were to happen to get me to strike someone, man or woman, then they'd damn well deserve it, and their gender should not serve as a protection from their just rewards.

This is NSG. We are snarkiness incarnate.

You're right, though, no one should hit anyone else, save in defense and to prevent physical injury to one's self. Gender should not have anything to do with the matter.


So if a woman slaps you, you would slug her?

No, would you?
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:17 pm

honor is a means not an ends.
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Postby Phenia » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:18 pm

Lizardiar wrote:
Parthenon wrote:What do you mean by hitting a kid in anger? Does that include spanking for disciplinary purposes?



No, not as discipline, I meant that the kid did something you didn't like, not breaking any rules, and you choke the child or just beat him/her.


So choking and/or beating is OK as long as its not done while angry and the child broke a rule?

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:18 pm

I think there is some honor left in the world. Not much, but some is left.
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Postby Haken Rider » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:21 pm

Lizardiar wrote:Is there any honor in the world anymore?

It should be common sense that a man should never hit a woman, yet it happens all the time.
People should never hit a kid in anger, yet it still happens.

So, I ask you NSG.
Is there any honor in the world anymore?

Well if we're going by those exemples, we're living in the most honorable time as of yet. And so far it seems it's only going to improve more.

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Postby Lizardiar » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:22 pm

Phenia wrote:
Lizardiar wrote:
Parthenon wrote:What do you mean by hitting a kid in anger? Does that include spanking for disciplinary purposes?



No, not as discipline, I meant that the kid did something you didn't like, not breaking any rules, and you choke the child or just beat him/her.


So choking and/or beating is OK as long as its not done while angry and the child broke a rule?



No it's never right to do that to a kid.

As in discipline, I meant smacking the hands and saying "No!"
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:25 pm

Lizardiar wrote:Is there any honor in the world anymore?

It should be common sense that a man should never hit a woman, yet it happens all the time.
People should never hit a kid in anger, yet it still happens.

So, I ask you NSG.
Is there any honor in the world anymore?

It should be common sense that PEOPLE should never hit OTHER PEOPLE.

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Postby Katganistan » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:28 pm

Lizardiar wrote:So if a woman slaps you, you would slug her?


Why should a woman get a free pass for slapping someone?

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Postby NERVUN » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:28 pm

Just out of curisoity, how does honor relate to hitting anybody? I mean, unless we're dealing with Klingons (At which case smaking your woman arround is not only acceptable, but the start of a wonderful relationship), I'm not too sure how you're tying the idea of honor into DV.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:29 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Lizardiar wrote:So if a woman slaps you, you would slug her?


Why should a woman get a free pass for slapping someone?

So you automatically hit back? No.
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Postby NERVUN » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:29 pm

Lizardiar wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Klonor wrote:Now hold on for a sec, I think there's an important questions here: Why should a man never hit a woman?

No, this is a serious question, not snarkiness. Assuming we are not subscribing to the belief that women are either superior or inferior to men (Both of which preclude hitting them, since you should never strike someone weaker than you, and you shouldn't hit someone better than you, either) then why should their gender have any impact, either positive or negative, on if they should or should not be hit?

I, personally, subscribe to the belief that you should never hit anyone, but that's from a general sense of pacifism that finds violence abhorrent. If something were to happen to get me to strike someone, man or woman, then they'd damn well deserve it, and their gender should not serve as a protection from their just rewards.

This is NSG. We are snarkiness incarnate.

You're right, though, no one should hit anyone else, save in defense and to prevent physical injury to one's self. Gender should not have anything to do with the matter.


So if a woman slaps you, you would slug her?

If she was attacking me, yes.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:30 pm

Parthenon wrote:What do you mean by hitting a kid in anger? Does that include spanking for disciplinary purposes?


You don't spank in anger...
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Postby NERVUN » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:31 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
Lizardiar wrote:So if a woman slaps you, you would slug her?


Why should a woman get a free pass for slapping someone?

So you automatically hit back? No.

Uh... Kat IS a woman you know. She'd probably have no qualms about hitting back.

I mean, look at that poor police horse.

I'm gonna get hit now, aren't I?
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