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Postby Jusela » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:08 am

Several weeks ago, i watched Lawrence of Arabia, a three and a half long hour movie about the exploits and adventures of the said person. The movie was really, i kid you not, stunning. It had an awesome plot, set in a time that no longer exists, and what's best is that there's no CGI. That's right. No fancy CGI. Yet the movie was so visually stunning sometimes, some scenes, combined with the excellent composed music just made me go like "awesome!".

But most importantly, the movie had somesort of meaning and symbolism, and most of all, it felt real, it wasn't all fancy plastic special effects like the movies we have nowadays, where the actors stand infront of a bluescreen, and the background gets added later.

Is it just me, or are most of the movies produced in recent times (10's, 00's), just CGI with lacking storylines?
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Postby North Suran » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:11 am

To be honest, I think Lawrence of Arabia's lack of CGI was more down to the distinct lack of computers than a purposeful artistic choice of the director.
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Postby Jusela » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:11 am

North Suran wrote:To be honest, I think Lawrence of Arabia's lack of CGI was more down to the distinct lack of computers than a purposeful artistic choice of the director.


Still they managed to produce scenes that were visually awesome.

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Postby Southern Patriots » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:12 am

In 80 years when movies are downloaded straight to a person's brain, the kids will probably say, "These movies lack any story. The ones back from the 10s and 00s had artistic cgi and original plots."

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Postby The Bleeding Roses » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:14 am

It's the culture. A 3+ hour movie just doesn't work in this day and age, no profit for theaters who have to cut their showings by half.

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Postby Mostly armless » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:14 am

I'd have to agree with you. In old films the special effects are obvious compared to the ones now and that's what makes them seem so fake.

You can tell if an older film was made with spec. effects and that's what seems to add to the charm of it.
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Postby La Habana » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:15 am

Jusela wrote:Movies ain't what it used to be?


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Postby Bei Song » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:19 am

Jusela wrote:Is it just me, or are most of the movies produced in recent times (10's, 00's), just CGI with lacking storylines?


There are plenty of good movies with good storylines out there. Obviously there are films like Avatar which are just about the CGI (which was still a great movie), but there are plenty of movies with good plots.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:21 am

North Suran wrote:To be honest, I think Lawrence of Arabia's lack of CGI was more down to the distinct lack of computers than a purposeful artistic choice of the director.

What would you computer-generate in Lawrence of Arabia? Make Peter O'Toole's eyes bluer?
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Postby Jusela » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:23 am

The Bleeding Roses wrote:It's the culture. A 3+ hour movie just doesn't work in this day and age, no profit for theaters who have to cut their showings by half.

Intermissions are long gone.


Im not talking about the length of a movie, im talking about the quality. Most older movies were shot either on-site, or in a studio, while modern movies mostly involves actors standing infront of a bluescreen, with the CGI added later.

Mostly armless wrote:I'd have to agree with you. In old films the special effects are obvious compared to the ones now and that's what makes them seem so fake.

You can tell if an older film was made with spec. effects and that's what seems to add to the charm of it.


Personally, it doesn't really bother me if special effects are added later, it just bothers me when entire backgrounds are CGI etc.
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Jusela wrote:Is it just me, or are most of the movies produced in recent times (10's, 00's), just CGI with lacking storylines?


There are plenty of good movies with good storylines out there. Obviously there are films like Avatar which are just about the CGI (which was still a great movie), but there are plenty of movies with good plots.


Yeah i do agree with you there. Shutters Island, Iron Man 2, Avatar, those were quite good movies produced recently. But it is still a rare find.
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Postby Rambhutan » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:24 am

The Bleeding Roses wrote:It's the culture. A 3+ hour movie just doesn't work in this day and age, no profit for theaters who have to cut their showings by half.

Intermissions are long gone.


If anything films have got longer. In the 60s and 70s the average length of a film was about 90 minutes, nowadays a film is likely to be 120 minutes plus. That said if CGI had been available David Lean would probably have made use of it.
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Postby Mostly armless » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:26 am

Jusela wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:I'd have to agree with you. In old films the special effects are obvious compared to the ones now and that's what makes them seem so fake.

You can tell if an older film was made with spec. effects and that's what seems to add to the charm of it.


Personally, it doesn't really bother me if special effects are added later, it just bothers me when entire backgrounds are CGI et.

Yes, I find that annoying as well. Why can't they just film on location? Is it so hard?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:36 am

Mostly armless wrote:
Jusela wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:I'd have to agree with you. In old films the special effects are obvious compared to the ones now and that's what makes them seem so fake.

You can tell if an older film was made with spec. effects and that's what seems to add to the charm of it.


Personally, it doesn't really bother me if special effects are added later, it just bothers me when entire backgrounds are CGI et.

Yes, I find that annoying as well. Why can't they just film on location? Is it so hard?

It's expensive, you have to schlep everyone out to some God-forsaken place, house them, feed them, get power to the spot. It's a pain. And anyway, backgrounds were blue-screened into old movies, too.
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Postby Illotheum » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:38 am

Watch Plan Nine From Outer Space and see if you still agree with this argument ;)
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Postby Jusela » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:39 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:
Jusela wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:I'd have to agree with you. In old films the special effects are obvious compared to the ones now and that's what makes them seem so fake.

You can tell if an older film was made with spec. effects and that's what seems to add to the charm of it.


Personally, it doesn't really bother me if special effects are added later, it just bothers me when entire backgrounds are CGI et.

Yes, I find that annoying as well. Why can't they just film on location? Is it so hard?

It's expensive, you have to schlep everyone out to some God-forsaken place, house them, feed them, get power to the spot. It's a pain,


Yeah it is probably a pain to organise everything, but the end result would be better than having some CGI as background.
Farnhamia wrote:And anyway, backgrounds were blue-screened into old movies, too.


Really? I didn't know they had CGI backgrounds back in the 80's...

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Farnhamia wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:
Jusela wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:I'd have to agree with you. In old films the special effects are obvious compared to the ones now and that's what makes them seem so fake.

You can tell if an older film was made with spec. effects and that's what seems to add to the charm of it.


Personally, it doesn't really bother me if special effects are added later, it just bothers me when entire backgrounds are CGI et.

Yes, I find that annoying as well. Why can't they just film on location? Is it so hard?

It's expensive, you have to schlep everyone out to some God-forsaken place, house them, feed them, get power to the spot. It's a pain. And anyway, backgrounds were blue-screened into old movies, too.

Compared to the money they make from the films, it's not really much.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:39 am

I hardly watch movies anymore. The older ones are just too cheesy, and the newer ones just plain suck.
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Postby Rambhutan » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:39 am

Mostly armless wrote:Yes, I find that annoying as well. Why can't they just film on location? Is it so hard?


If the film is set on a moon of Jupiter or in second century Athens it probably is quite hard.
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Postby Mostly armless » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:45 am

Rambhutan wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:Yes, I find that annoying as well. Why can't they just film on location? Is it so hard?


If the film is set on a moon of Jupiter or in second century Athens it probably is quite hard.

Then you build a set.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:50 am

Mostly armless wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:
Jusela wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:I'd have to agree with you. In old films the special effects are obvious compared to the ones now and that's what makes them seem so fake.

You can tell if an older film was made with spec. effects and that's what seems to add to the charm of it.


Personally, it doesn't really bother me if special effects are added later, it just bothers me when entire backgrounds are CGI et.

Yes, I find that annoying as well. Why can't they just film on location? Is it so hard?

It's expensive, you have to schlep everyone out to some God-forsaken place, house them, feed them, get power to the spot. It's a pain. And anyway, backgrounds were blue-screened into old movies, too.

Compared to the money they make from the films, it's not really much.

It's still a pain. Don't get me wrong, I think on-location shooting does add something to a film, but I quite understand why it isn't done as much as it might be. Poorly done blue-screening or CGI detracts from quality, obviously. Even if the money made - and, without having looked it up, I think it's far less than you imagine - pays for the expense, it's still a pain to drag the cast and crew to some far-off location.
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Postby Veblenia » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:05 am

There are lots of good movies being made these days; you just shouldn't expect to find them at one of those idiot multiplexes. Here are a few of my favorites from recent years:

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Postby Mostly armless » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:07 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:
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Jusela wrote:
Mostly armless wrote:I'd have to agree with you. In old films the special effects are obvious compared to the ones now and that's what makes them seem so fake.

You can tell if an older film was made with spec. effects and that's what seems to add to the charm of it.


Personally, it doesn't really bother me if special effects are added later, it just bothers me when entire backgrounds are CGI et.

Yes, I find that annoying as well. Why can't they just film on location? Is it so hard?

It's expensive, you have to schlep everyone out to some God-forsaken place, house them, feed them, get power to the spot. It's a pain. And anyway, backgrounds were blue-screened into old movies, too.

Compared to the money they make from the films, it's not really much.

It's still a pain. Don't get me wrong, I think on-location shooting does add something to a film, but I quite understand why it isn't done as much as it might be. Poorly done blue-screening or CGI detracts from quality, obviously. Even if the money made - and, without having looked it up, I think it's far less than you imagine - pays for the expense, it's still a pain to drag the cast and crew to some far-off location.

I suppose for smaller films it is: it costs a lot. But with bigger budget films it's not much of a problem.
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Postby Marshmellowstan » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:10 am

The Bleeding Roses wrote:It's the culture. A 3+ hour movie just doesn't work in this day and age, no profit for theaters who have to cut their showings by half.

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