Racism entering Schools?

[Ryadn]

Ryadn:
1) I had $50 and the clothes on my back when I left home. I'm not saying I'm rich now, but I'm sure as hell not poor either. And I don't take a dime in aid from the federal, state, or local government.
2) It's been show throughout history that what a child is named has an influence over how they will be in life. Also, consider that a name that is seen as awkward may be more of an issue than the race of the person who holds it? Who wants to interview an applicant when they're only going to look like a douchebag to the applicant when they go to interview them? That's personal pride, not racism.
3a) The whole public school system is inadequate.
3b) States control the teachers' pay, area has nothing to do with it.
3cI) Educational opportunities are supposed to be for those who express ability and drive. I'll concede that some of that has to do with the teachers; if I had had teachers that would have pushed me, I would have done far better than I have. But I'll also refer that back to the issue of the individual. I had a precious few teachers that made a difference, but most were entirely forgettable.
3cII) College recruiting? Are you serious? That's only for athletes. I know people who went to college on athletic scholarships that can't effectively write on a 6th grade level. You APPLY to colleges - you have to pursue them, they don't pursue you unless you can make them money.

1) Good for you. Individual stories of rising above your circumstances abound. Individual. As a group, though, black Americans still face unequal levels of poverty, in part because of this disenfranchisement.
2) Then how is it that so many men and women with Hindi or Bengali names do not face the same discrimination?
3a) It's worse in urban predominately minority-housed areas. If you're going to argue that, we might as well stop now.
3b) Not even a little true.
3cI) Urban schools attended by minorities are less likely to offer advanced and AP classes, to push students to apply for college, etc.
3cII) At my (suburban, predominately Asian and white) high school, we had college recruitment days where colleges would work tables and hand out fliers. We were taught how to write application essays. We had guidance counselors that went through the application steps with us. We weren't encouraged to go to college---it was EXPECTED.

At my ex's (urban, predominately black and Southeast Asian) high school, there were no recruitment days. There was no SAT prep, no essay practice, no discussion about college. When he asked AP classes, his guidance counselor asked how he'd found out about those. He wasn't encouraged to go to college---it was ASSUMED he wouldn't.

[Katonazag]

Ryadn:
1) I had $50 and the clothes on my back when I left home. I'm not saying I'm rich now, but I'm sure as hell not poor either. And I don't take a dime in aid from the federal, state, or local government.
2) It's been show throughout history that what a child is named has an influence over how they will be in life. Also, consider that a name that is seen as awkward may be more of an issue than the race of the person who holds it? Who wants to interview an applicant when they're only going to look like a douchebag to the applicant when they go to interview them? That's personal pride, not racism.
3a) The whole public school system is inadequate.
3b) States control the teachers' pay, area has nothing to do with it.
3cI) Educational opportunities are supposed to be for those who express ability and drive. I'll concede that some of that has to do with the teachers; if I had had teachers that would have pushed me, I would have done far better than I have. But I'll also refer that back to the issue of the individual. I had a precious few teachers that made a difference, but most were entirely forgettable.
3cII) College recruiting? Are you serious? That's only for athletes. I know people who went to college on athletic scholarships that can't effectively write on a 6th grade level. You APPLY to colleges - you have to pursue them, they don't pursue you unless you can make them money.

1) Good for you. Individual stories of rising above your circumstances abound. Individual. As a group, though, black Americans still face unequal levels of poverty, in part because of this disenfranchisement.
2) Then how is it that so many men and women with Hindi or Bengali names do not face the same discrimination?
3a) It's worse in urban predominately minority-housed areas. If you're going to argue that, we might as well stop now.
3b) Not even a little true.
3cI) Urban schools attended by minorities are less likely to offer advanced and AP classes, to push students to apply for college, etc.
3cII) At my (suburban, predominately Asian and white) high school, we had college recruitment days where colleges would work tables and hand out fliers. We were taught how to write application essays. We had guidance counselors that went through the application steps with us. We weren't encouraged to go to college---it was EXPECTED.

At my ex's (urban, predominately black and Southeast Asian) high school, there were no recruitment days. There was no SAT prep, no essay practice, no discussion about college. When he asked AP classes, his guidance counselor asked how he'd found out about those. He wasn't encouraged to go to college---it was ASSUMED he wouldn't.

1) Thank you.
2) Those names are not as hard to pronounce. But maybe that's just me...
3a) I'm not going to say it's not worse. I am going to say that the whole thing is inadequate enough that solely on that grounds alone it's not enough of a difference to count.
3b) It is in the state in which I reside - and that is a point of contention come election time because the whole state shorts teachers on the pay that they should have and therefore the standards suffer state-wide.
3cI) This is not true for the area I went to school in - most AP classes that got cut were cut due to lack of enough applicants to make the class worth the state's effort expenditure.
3cII) I haven't heard of anything of the sort in the area I'm from. The colleges hold events of the sort on their grounds, you have to go to them. And even then, you've got to "wow" them.

[Old Erisia]

My problem is with the idea of "institutional racism", as I heard one activist describe it. Instead of labeling a whole race (ie. "whites") as racist, it labels organizations and processes not run by or for people other than "whites" as racist. Racism is an issue internal to an individual, at least until they express it specifically to speak for a group to which they themselves belong.

As far as it going on inside schools, I can only speak to my experiences. I grew up in a semi-metropolitan area in the South, but I can't say that I witnessed any, with only one exception. One day I did see this one particular asshole make fun of another kid of Vietnamese descent for the way he looked and talked. This is the same asshole that only two years prior I had hit twice in rapid succession in his left eye for harassing me and physically trying to provoke me; fortunately, I had standing permission from the teacher to do it because she knew how much of an asshole he was and that the impotent school district wouldn't let her do anything about him. He said he'd wait in the parking lot for me after school, which he didn't show, likely because there was a large [multi-ethnic, btw] group of my fellow JROTC cadets backing me.

In my professional life, that's another story. I've witnessed blatant favoritism by a certain ethnic minority supervisor toward someone of same said minority. I've been discriminated against and verbally assaulted for being "white". I have a feeling, but I can't prove it, that I've lost job opportunities to equal or lesser qualified persons because of "diversity" quotas. However, I've also seen "white" supervisors appear to discriminate against minority employees, and I've heard employees of majority and minority ethnic groups make disparaging remarks about other's ethnicities, religions, and sexual orientation. Virtually all of them were in age groups 7+ years older than me.

My conclusion based on my personal experiences: Though racism may still exist within the younger generation, it's not as bad as that of previous generations, and that's an improvement. But the problem for the most part is the individuals, not the groups.

First off, "institutionalized racism" can be used to describe the social attitudes that continue to produce racists in the younger generations

Second, there are no such things as minority quotas.

Thirdly institutionalized racism still applies to discrimination against whites.

Fourthly, focusing on just individuals who are racists can ignore what is causing the individuals to have racist attitudes.

All of this, with an expansion on 'institutionalized racism':

For most of their history, black Americans were unable to inherit wealth, leaving them at a huge disadvantage today which cannot be overcome in a single generation. That's institutionalized racism.

Job applicants with names that 'sound black' are significantly less likely to be hired than job applicants with names that 'sound white', all qualifications being equal. That's institutionalized racism.

Poor urban areas that predominately house people of color are less likely to provide safe and adequate schools, generally pay teachers less (attracting teachers who are not always highly qualified), and less likely to offer students educational opportunities or have college recruiting. That's institutionalized racism.

From my experiences, I'm going to have to call bull$#!+ on all of it.

OE:
1) It's still by choice, you don't have to be racist just because the people you grew up around were. I'm proof of that.

I never said that. But you were born into an environment that promoted it, as you state.

2) That's just straight up ignorance. Larger organizations want to be seen as "diverse", which means that they have to have a certain percentage of minorities to be able to claim it.

There is no mandated ethnic quota. I'll believe you when you show proof that corps institute such a thing.

3) Name one place where it operationally is true.

Where you used to work. Places that use affirmative action as an excuse not to hire people (I disagree with affirmative action). "Institutionalized racism" can take place in a society or group, not just a business.

4) People have racist attitudes because they choose to as part of their world view. Every individual human being is responsible for their own. Everyone has a choice in what they think and believe.

I say yes. 100%. But that doesn't change the fact that you would be more likely to believe racist attitudes if you grew up in a place were racism was condoned or encouraged.

Ryadin:
1) I had $50 and the clothes on my back when I left home. I'm not saying I'm rich now, but I'm sure as hell not poor either. And I don't take a dime in aid from the federal, state, or local government.

What? Are you implying that minorities don't work as hard and just suckle off the government teet If anything, this add support to the argument that minorities have a harder time moving up in society.

2) It's been show throughout history that what a child is named has an influence over how they will be in life. Also, consider that a name that is seen as awkward may be more of an issue than the race of the person who holds it? Who wants to interview an applicant when they're only going to look like a douchebag to the applicant when they go to interview them? That's personal pride, not racism.

The name influencing the child is irrelevant (if a child was named after a South African humanitarian, you think that makes their life easier?) The awkwardness of a name? Really? Can you pronounce "Muhammad", "Akbar", "Osama", or "Rashad"?

3a) The whole public school system is inadequate.

Agreed.

3b) States control the teachers' pay, area has nothing to do with it.

False. And many private schools can pay higher salaries.

3cI) Educational opportunities are supposed to be for those who express ability and drive. I'll concede that some of that has to do with the teachers; if I had had teachers that would have pushed me, I would have done far better than I have. But I'll also refer that back to the issue of the individual. I had a precious few teachers that made a difference, but most were entirely forgettable.

Students with drive who go to low income schools do not have the same opportunities, regardless f the quality of teacher.

3cII) College recruiting? Are you serious? That's only for athletes. I know people who went to college on athletic scholarships that can't effectively write on a 6th grade level. You APPLY to colleges - you have to pursue them, they don't pursue you unless you can make them money.

[/quote] There are such things as academic scholarships offered by a school. The recruiters that are being referred to offer information about the school and help people understand what needs to be done to be accepted. They tend to not be sent to low income schools because those students won't make them money.

[The Cat-Tribe]

As usual with any NSG topic even vaguely related to race or racism, this thread is filled with copious nonsense, ignorance, and lies. The absurdity of the OP's assumption that racism in schools is a new phenomenon is exceeded only by those who deny that racism has historically been and still is a significant problem in the U.S. education system.

Beyond that I shan't be bothered at this late hour to refute the many misnomers about how whites are oppressed, blacks aren't discriminated against, quotas are common, etc., that I have proven false time and time again in these forums.

[Geniasis]

I think black people are just upset that they don't have more rights than white people. And all that whining is entirely unjustified. What did we ever to do them?

Can you imagine how obnoxious they'd be if we'd enslaved them or something?

[Panzerjaeger]

I think black people are just upset that they don't have more rights than white people. And all that whining is entirely unjustified. What did we ever to do them?

Can you imagine how obnoxious they'd be if we'd enslaved them or something?

You can never trust the Darkies they are always jonesing on the White Man.

[The Bleeding Roses]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

[Tungookska]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

damn yo pussi ass cracka, we niggas be livin teh lyfe dawg

[New Wallonochia]

That said, I don't remember anything particularly racist (word or deed) occurring at my school, or for that matter any school I've been to.

Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it wasn't there. I never noticed any racism in my high school, but a few years later I found out there was quite a bit of it. I'm from a very rural area that had only about a dozen nonwhite students and every single one of them was harrassed for being nonwhite.

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

In high school I knew a girl who was born in Korea but was adopted by white people in Upper Michigan. She had a French name, had a strong Yooper accent and hunted deer, in other words the stereotypical Yooper. When she moved downstate to my rural high school she wasn't fucked with for being a Yooper, she was fucked with for being Asian when literally the only thing Asian about her was how she looked.

Of course, there were others that basically thought of her as "one of the good ones" because she wasn't culturally Asian, which is also racist as all hell.

[Tokos]

As usual with any NSG topic even vaguely related to race or racism, this thread is filled with copious nonsense, ignorance, and lies. The absurdity of the OP's assumption that racism in schools is a new phenomenon is exceeded only by those who deny that racism has historically been and still is a significant problem in the U.S. education system.

Beyond that I shan't be bothered at this late hour to refute the many misnomers about how whites are oppressed, blacks aren't discriminated against, quotas are common, etc., that I have proven false time and time again in these forums.

Given the dramatically varied demographics across the US I'd suspect it's not as cut-and-dried as either.

[Old Erisia]

As usual with any NSG topic even vaguely related to race or racism, this thread is filled with copious nonsense, ignorance, and lies. The absurdity of the OP's assumption that racism in schools is a new phenomenon is exceeded only by those who deny that racism has historically been and still is a significant problem in the U.S. education system.

Beyond that I shan't be bothered at this late hour to refute the many misnomers about how whites are oppressed, blacks aren't discriminated against, quotas are common, etc., that I have proven false time and time again in these forums.

Given the dramatically varied demographics across the US I'd suspect it's not as cut-and-dried as either.

? um whut?

I hope TCT comes back and showers you all with the evidence he is famous for...

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

[Ryadn]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

You know, with the way violence and thievery is rampant with these kinds of people, it's always amazing to me that I've lived in the Easy Bay my whole life and no black person has ever mugged me, or sexually assaulted me, or physically battered me. I mean, with the population demographics of this area and the fact that I am a middle-class white woman from a very good neighborhood, it should have been inevitable, right?

[Tungookska]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

You know, with the way violence and thievery is rampant with these kinds of people, it's always amazing to me that I've lived in the Easy Bay my whole life and no black person has ever mugged me, or sexually assaulted me, or physically battered me. I mean, with the population demographics of this area and the fact that I am a middle-class white woman from a very good neighborhood, it should have been inevitable, right?

[Ryadn]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

You know, with the way violence and thievery is rampant with these kinds of people, it's always amazing to me that I've lived in the Easy Bay my whole life and no black person has ever mugged me, or sexually assaulted me, or physically battered me. I mean, with the population demographics of this area and the fact that I am a middle-class white woman from a very good neighborhood, it should have been inevitable, right?

I'm never sure what kind of response people want when they only post a smiley.

[Tungookska]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

You know, with the way violence and thievery is rampant with these kinds of people, it's always amazing to me that I've lived in the Easy Bay my whole life and no black person has ever mugged me, or sexually assaulted me, or physically battered me. I mean, with the population demographics of this area and the fact that I am a middle-class white woman from a very good neighborhood, it should have been inevitable, right?

I'm never sure what kind of response people want when they only post a smiley.

im not sure either, but im sure the chance of bad things happening is significantly less in a very good neighborhood

[Old Erisia]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

You know, with the way violence and thievery is rampant with these kinds of people, it's always amazing to me that I've lived in the Easy Bay my whole life and no black person has ever mugged me, or sexually assaulted me, or physically battered me. I mean, with the population demographics of this area and the fact that I am a middle-class white woman from a very good neighborhood, it should have been inevitable, right?

I'm never sure what kind of response people want when they only post a smiley.

im not sure either, but im sure the chance of bad things happening is significantly less in a very good neighborhood

I think you missed the point of the post...

[Ryadn]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

You know, with the way violence and thievery is rampant with these kinds of people, it's always amazing to me that I've lived in the Easy Bay my whole life and no black person has ever mugged me, or sexually assaulted me, or physically battered me. I mean, with the population demographics of this area and the fact that I am a middle-class white woman from a very good neighborhood, it should have been inevitable, right?

I'm never sure what kind of response people want when they only post a smiley.

im not sure either, but im sure the chance of bad things happening is significantly less in a very good neighborhood

I come from a very good neighborhood. The East Bay encompasses several cities with a whole bunch of neighborhoods. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Hayward. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Berkeley. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Oakland. I don't go to Richmond, because no one ever goes to Richmond unless they have to. Now, true, I don't go to Oakland and walk through the Murder Dubs at night (or even during the day), because I have some common sense. I don't generally walk alone through the Tenderloin at night (although I have before, and wasn't hassled too much). If 'black people' routinely acted as Parthenon said, you would expect that in my many trips through Hayward, Berkeley and Oakland, both alone and in the company of other middle-class white females in their teens and 20's, I would have some sort of horror story to relate.

[The Bleeding Roses]

As usual with any NSG topic even vaguely related to race or racism, this thread is filled with copious nonsense, ignorance, and lies. The absurdity of the OP's assumption that racism in schools is a new phenomenon is exceeded only by those who deny that racism has historically been and still is a significant problem in the U.S. education system.

Beyond that I shan't be bothered at this late hour to refute the many misnomers about how whites are oppressed, blacks aren't discriminated against, quotas are common, etc., that I have proven false time and time again in these forums.

Given the dramatically varied demographics across the US I'd suspect it's not as cut-and-dried as either.

? um whut?

I hope TCT comes back and showers you all with the evidence he is famous for...

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

My mother is an educator of over a decade and I have regularly volunteered in her school. I also have a sibling currently in high school... It's you that are willfully ignorant if you do not see what is going on in our schools.

[The Bleeding Roses]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

You know, with the way violence and thievery is rampant with these kinds of people, it's always amazing to me that I've lived in the Easy Bay my whole life and no black person has ever mugged me, or sexually assaulted me, or physically battered me. I mean, with the population demographics of this area and the fact that I am a middle-class white woman from a very good neighborhood, it should have been inevitable, right?

I'm never sure what kind of response people want when they only post a smiley.

im not sure either, but im sure the chance of bad things happening is significantly less in a very good neighborhood

I come from a very good neighborhood. The East Bay encompasses several cities with a whole bunch of neighborhoods. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Hayward. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Berkeley. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Oakland. I don't go to Richmond, because no one ever goes to Richmond unless they have to. Now, true, I don't go to Oakland and walk through the Murder Dubs at night (or even during the day), because I have some common sense. I don't generally walk alone through the Tenderloin at night (although I have before, and wasn't hassled too much). If 'black people' routinely acted as Parthenon said, you would expect that in my many trips through Hayward, Berkeley and Oakland, both alone and in the company of other middle-class white females in their teens and 20's, I would have some sort of horror story to relate.

Last I checked we were discussing schools... Not middle age white women driving their car.

[Old Erisia]

As usual with any NSG topic even vaguely related to race or racism, this thread is filled with copious nonsense, ignorance, and lies. The absurdity of the OP's assumption that racism in schools is a new phenomenon is exceeded only by those who deny that racism has historically been and still is a significant problem in the U.S. education system.

Beyond that I shan't be bothered at this late hour to refute the many misnomers about how whites are oppressed, blacks aren't discriminated against, quotas are common, etc., that I have proven false time and time again in these forums.

Given the dramatically varied demographics across the US I'd suspect it's not as cut-and-dried as either.

? um whut?

I hope TCT comes back and showers you all with the evidence he is famous for...

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

My mother is an educator of over a decade and I have regularly volunteered in her school. I also have a sibling currently in high school... It's you that are willfully ignorant if you do not see what is going on in our schools.

Wow. I can see that some kids act this way. I was saying that they ALL do not. Also, you don't seem to have any idea why they act this way.

[Tungookska]

As usual with any NSG topic even vaguely related to race or racism, this thread is filled with copious nonsense, ignorance, and lies. The absurdity of the OP's assumption that racism in schools is a new phenomenon is exceeded only by those who deny that racism has historically been and still is a significant problem in the U.S. education system.

Beyond that I shan't be bothered at this late hour to refute the many misnomers about how whites are oppressed, blacks aren't discriminated against, quotas are common, etc., that I have proven false time and time again in these forums.

Given the dramatically varied demographics across the US I'd suspect it's not as cut-and-dried as either.

? um whut?

I hope TCT comes back and showers you all with the evidence he is famous for...

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

My mother is an educator of over a decade and I have regularly volunteered in her school. I also have a sibling currently in high school... It's you that are willfully ignorant if you do not see what is going on in our schools.

Wow. I can see that some kids act this way. I was saying that they ALL do not. Also, you don't seem to have any idea why they act this way.

i think you missed the point of the post

[Ryadn]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

You know, with the way violence and thievery is rampant with these kinds of people, it's always amazing to me that I've lived in the Easy Bay my whole life and no black person has ever mugged me, or sexually assaulted me, or physically battered me. I mean, with the population demographics of this area and the fact that I am a middle-class white woman from a very good neighborhood, it should have been inevitable, right?

I'm never sure what kind of response people want when they only post a smiley.

im not sure either, but im sure the chance of bad things happening is significantly less in a very good neighborhood

I come from a very good neighborhood. The East Bay encompasses several cities with a whole bunch of neighborhoods. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Hayward. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Berkeley. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Oakland. I don't go to Richmond, because no one ever goes to Richmond unless they have to. Now, true, I don't go to Oakland and walk through the Murder Dubs at night (or even during the day), because I have some common sense. I don't generally walk alone through the Tenderloin at night (although I have before, and wasn't hassled too much). If 'black people' routinely acted as Parthenon said, you would expect that in my many trips through Hayward, Berkeley and Oakland, both alone and in the company of other middle-class white females in their teens and 20's, I would have some sort of horror story to relate.

Last I checked we were discussing schools... Not middle age white women driving their car.

Sigh.

1) I'm 27, and I've lived in the East Bay my whole life. There was absolutely nothing to do in my home suburb, so my friends and I spent many, many weekends and summers in Berkeley, Oakland and San Francisco. Most of my friends live in one of those cities now, and we're all still white 20something women.

2) I don't drive in any of those cities because parking is impossible, and BART is just as easy.

3) Are you saying that 'black kids' only act in the ways you described while at school?

[The Bleeding Roses]

As usual with any NSG topic even vaguely related to race or racism, this thread is filled with copious nonsense, ignorance, and lies. The absurdity of the OP's assumption that racism in schools is a new phenomenon is exceeded only by those who deny that racism has historically been and still is a significant problem in the U.S. education system.

Beyond that I shan't be bothered at this late hour to refute the many misnomers about how whites are oppressed, blacks aren't discriminated against, quotas are common, etc., that I have proven false time and time again in these forums.

Given the dramatically varied demographics across the US I'd suspect it's not as cut-and-dried as either.

? um whut?

I hope TCT comes back and showers you all with the evidence he is famous for...

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

My mother is an educator of over a decade and I have regularly volunteered in her school. I also have a sibling currently in high school... It's you that are willfully ignorant if you do not see what is going on in our schools.

Wow. I can see that some kids act this way. I was saying that they ALL do not. Also, you don't seem to have any idea why they act this way.

Once again, you are being willfully ignorant.

The black students self-segregate, and yes, most of them do act like that. Of the class I graduated with in highschool there was only a single black student that took AP classes. This was a school with a demographic mix of around 20% black students. That one student is now studying to be architect... Now the varsity track team I was on? 80% black, 80% thugs. Working to one's potential is seen as conforming. Not being a thug is considered being weak. It's nothing more than peer pressure.

[The Bleeding Roses]

If these kids didn't act like stereotypes then they wouldn't be treated like one...

Running around knocking up bitches, robbing kids, selling drugs, listing to shitty music at high volumes in their lifted fucking candy paint job crown vics, joining gangs, failing classes, and talking in Ebonics isn't worthy of equal treatment as their peers.

Ugh. Because all black kids do this. Stop watching rap videos (those totally aren't influencing stereotypes and definitely aren't examples of institutionalized racism) and actually MEET some of these kids. If anyone else had posted this nonsense I would have thought they were joking. There is a difference between anti-PC and willful ignorance.

You know, with the way violence and thievery is rampant with these kinds of people, it's always amazing to me that I've lived in the Easy Bay my whole life and no black person has ever mugged me, or sexually assaulted me, or physically battered me. I mean, with the population demographics of this area and the fact that I am a middle-class white woman from a very good neighborhood, it should have been inevitable, right?

I'm never sure what kind of response people want when they only post a smiley.

im not sure either, but im sure the chance of bad things happening is significantly less in a very good neighborhood

I come from a very good neighborhood. The East Bay encompasses several cities with a whole bunch of neighborhoods. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Hayward. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Berkeley. I have never been mugged or assaulted in Oakland. I don't go to Richmond, because no one ever goes to Richmond unless they have to. Now, true, I don't go to Oakland and walk through the Murder Dubs at night (or even during the day), because I have some common sense. I don't generally walk alone through the Tenderloin at night (although I have before, and wasn't hassled too much). If 'black people' routinely acted as Parthenon said, you would expect that in my many trips through Hayward, Berkeley and Oakland, both alone and in the company of other middle-class white females in their teens and 20's, I would have some sort of horror story to relate.

Last I checked we were discussing schools... Not middle age white women driving their car.

Sigh.

1) I'm 27, and I've lived in the East Bay my whole life. There was absolutely nothing to do in my home suburb, so my friends and I spent many, many weekends and summers in Berkeley, Oakland and San Francisco. Most of my friends live in one of those cities now, and we're all still white 20something women.

2) I don't drive in any of those cities because parking is impossible, and BART is just as easy.

3) Are you saying that 'black kids' only act in the ways you described while at school?

The behavior of children is far different than that of adults, surely you recognize that?

That being said, Berkley isn't exactly Compton...

[Maxedon]

In America, It's illegal to punish someone for being racist.
Yaay for the 1st Amendment!