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by Arranfirangia » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:45 pm
by Concordeia » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:47 pm
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Trippoli wrote:What is your thoughts on Democracy? Do you prefer another system of Government? Personally, I really depends on the said peoples comprehension of politics. On one hand, I believe, although coming from Hitler; that one smart, strong-hearted individual is better than a million incompetents and cowards. On the other hand, I believe without a Democracy it will intervene in the rights of these people,if all decisions are made my one person. Especially in this point in time. I can't believe in both.
But what do you think?
Democracy all the way in my opinion: Democracy allowed me to express my opinions like I do now.
Of course I will keep thinking of ways to improve democracy using NS Roleplay as a test base.
Falkasia wrote:Concordeia wrote:Dammit, and I got accused of tech-wanking for using megawatt-scale free electron laser CIWS on my (nuclear powered) vessels to block missile spam! And I'm freakin early PMT! :mad: :(
I gotta say it. First time I read through this, I could have sworn it said something like this:Dammit, and I got accused of tech-wanking for using megawatt-scale free electron laser CIWS on my (nuclear powered) vessels to block spam missiles!
I was like, "Who the hell are you fighting... or more importantly, was your lunch meat laced?"
by Concordeia » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:49 pm
Saurisia wrote:I believe Democracy is flawed.
Falkasia wrote:Concordeia wrote:Dammit, and I got accused of tech-wanking for using megawatt-scale free electron laser CIWS on my (nuclear powered) vessels to block missile spam! And I'm freakin early PMT! :mad: :(
I gotta say it. First time I read through this, I could have sworn it said something like this:Dammit, and I got accused of tech-wanking for using megawatt-scale free electron laser CIWS on my (nuclear powered) vessels to block spam missiles!
I was like, "Who the hell are you fighting... or more importantly, was your lunch meat laced?"
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:49 pm
Glorious Homeland wrote:Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:A democracy is nothing more then a dictatorship by the majority. Ideally, you want many small factions to keep the minority from being overwhelmed.
If that was true all the time why do minorities enjoy equal legal status in many western countries? Gays, religious or ethnic minorities?
by Saurisia » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:50 pm
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by Urcea » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:54 pm
by Glorious Homeland » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:55 pm
Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:Glorious Homeland wrote:If that was true all the time why do minorities enjoy equal legal status in many western countries? Gays, religious or ethnic minorities?
Because there are many factions within a majority. There are people who are fiscal conservatives and social liberals, vice versa; there are far left and far right; moderates; overly-religious and none. These divisions keep a majority from forming, gaining enough power and abusing a minority group. Because they are widely divided, they may unite for one reason or another, but after that issue has been resolved, the coalition will collapse (i.e. New Deal coalition, Reagan's 'big tent' party).
Also to show the point of why it is dangerous. Europe right now has a common enemy -the threat to their identity. As a result, you see what is a very tolerant, open, muti-cultured society becoming united over that common enemy. The banning of minarets, and scraves is spreading. Why? Because though their are factions in Europe which prevent this from happening all the time, they now have one threat and are working to oppose it. This is why Madison believed democracy could be dangerous and this is why he favored many factions.
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:58 pm
Glorious Homeland wrote:Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:
Because there are many factions within a majority. There are people who are fiscal conservatives and social liberals, vice versa; there are far left and far right; moderates; overly-religious and none. These divisions keep a majority from forming, gaining enough power and abusing a minority group. Because they are widely divided, they may unite for one reason or another, but after that issue has been resolved, the coalition will collapse (i.e. New Deal coalition, Reagan's 'big tent' party).
Also to show the point of why it is dangerous. Europe right now has a common enemy -the threat to their identity. As a result, you see what is a very tolerant, open, muti-cultured society becoming united over that common enemy. The banning of minarets, and scraves is spreading. Why? Because though their are factions in Europe which prevent this from happening all the time, they now have one threat and are working to oppose it. This is why Madison believed democracy could be dangerous and this is why he favored many factions.
In your initial statement you implied that a democracy would also be a "dictatorship" by the majority. But is there such a thing as a a dictatorship of a liberal majority, when most people are indifferent to most things other people do on their own or behind closed doors?
by The Nuclear Fist » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:58 pm
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by Glorious Homeland » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:02 pm
Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:Glorious Homeland wrote:In your initial statement you implied that a democracy would also be a "dictatorship" by the majority. But is there such a thing as a a dictatorship of a liberal majority, when most people are indifferent to most things other people do on their own or behind closed doors?
But it's never the case. Or as you said "most things..." Even a liberal society, which believes in tolerance and equality will oppose those that are against it. There is nothing wrong with that, but will they then turn that around and punish them for believing it? A democracy is a dictatorship by the majority, whether it be liberal or conservative. The safeguard to a democracy from going into a state of tyranny is, as a I said, hoping for as many factions as possible, which will keep any clear majority from forming without some moderation in their policies to maintain that loose alliance.
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:03 pm
Glorious Homeland wrote:Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:
But it's never the case. Or as you said "most things..." Even a liberal society, which believes in tolerance and equality will oppose those that are against it. There is nothing wrong with that, but will they then turn that around and punish them for believing it? A democracy is a dictatorship by the majority, whether it be liberal or conservative. The safeguard to a democracy from going into a state of tyranny is, as a I said, hoping for as many factions as possible, which will keep any clear majority from forming without some moderation in their policies to maintain that loose alliance.
...the implication of your statements is that by nature, it appears, you think humans simply are dictatorial creatures. If democracy, given popularity would lead to dictatorial, even amongst generally liberal voters, then that and everything else is by nature dictatorial?
by Glorious Homeland » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:17 pm
Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:Glorious Homeland wrote:...the implication of your statements is that by nature, it appears, you think humans simply are dictatorial creatures. If democracy, given popularity would lead to dictatorial, even amongst generally liberal voters, then that and everything else is by nature dictatorial?
People are not by nature dictatorial, that is not what I was trying to imply. I am trying to imply that people do not like something different. People form groups, usually because they are like-minded, and dislike or hold ill-favor towards those who differ. That is natural.
by Glorious Homeland » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:22 pm
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:33 pm
Glorious Homeland wrote:Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:
People are not by nature dictatorial, that is not what I was trying to imply. I am trying to imply that people do not like something different. People form groups, usually because they are like-minded, and dislike or hold ill-favor towards those who differ. That is natural.
But then what would be a fairer system in your eyes, than a more representative or responsive democracy? Something of an enlightened elite or dictator? If you feel the system is no better in effect for it's persecution of minority groups that are disliked at any given moment of time?
by Glorious Homeland » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:40 pm
Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:Glorious Homeland wrote:But then what would be a fairer system in your eyes, than a more representative or responsive democracy? Something of an enlightened elite or dictator? If you feel the system is no better in effect for it's persecution of minority groups that are disliked at any given moment of time?
No. I never said I opposed a representative democracy. I favor it, actually. Though it is imperfect, it's by far the best of what is out there.
by Jervak » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:44 pm
Supreme Marshal Petan wrote:A democracy is nothing more then a dictatorship by the majority.
by Supreme Marshal Petan » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:58 pm
by Glorious Homeland » Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:22 pm
by The blessed Chris » Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:36 pm
by Glorious Homeland » Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:58 pm
The blessed Chris wrote:Faute de mieux, the best basic principle for political systems.
by Norstal » Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:04 pm
The blessed Chris wrote:Faute de mieux, the best basic principle for political systems.
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by O5vx » Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:17 pm
by Columbaria » Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:23 pm
by Farnhamia » Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:26 pm
Columbaria wrote:Democracy is inherently unstable and usually provides no protection for the minority. I like in the US. It has got out of control, and even though it is a Republic, it is trying to spread "Democracy" around the world. The citizens will probably have to regain control of our military.
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