Cyber Attacks--Government Style (North Korea)

[Rhodmhire]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090708/ap_ ... ber_attack
http://news.aol.com/article/north-korea ... cks/560750
http://military.rightpundits.com/2009/0 ... -agencies/

I don't know about North Korea--part of me is compelled to know that if they even tried to fuck with anyone that, especially the United States, that they'd be indefinately doomed to failure. But with a colaboration of imbeciles in our government, lead by Obama, I'm worried about how this'll all go down if North Korea actually tries to threaten us with a missile attack.

But aside from missiles and other weapons, North Korea apperantly, and I'm saying apperantly, attacked the U.S., and South Korea on July 4--with cyber attacks.

Here's an excerpt from one of the articles, this is pretty much the jist of the first couple of paragraphs of every article I read:

"SEOUL, South Korea – South Korean intelligence officials believe North Korea or pro-Pyongyang forces committed cyber attacks that paralyzed major South Korean and U.S. government Web sites, aides to two lawmakers said Wednesday.

The sites of 11 South Korean organizations, including the presidential Blue House and the Defense Ministry, went down or had access problems since late Tuesday, according to the state-run Korea Information Security Agency. Agency spokeswoman Ahn Jeong-eun said 11 U.S. sites suffered similar problems. She said the agency is investigating the case with police and prosecutors.

In the U.S., the Treasury Department, Secret Service, Federal Trade Commission and Transportation Department Web sites were all down at varying points over the July 4 holiday weekend and into this week, according to American officials inside and outside the government.

Others familiar with the U.S. outage, which is called a denial of service attack, said that the fact that the government Web sites were still being affected three days after it began signaled an unusually lengthy and sophisticated attack. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the matter.

The Korea Information Security Agency also attributed the attacks to denial of service."

I guess the question isn't so much as to whether or not they did this--even if they didn't I guess the big question coming out of all of this is this: is North Korea a threat? Is it a threat to any country in specific? Could it ever be threatening to the U.S.? Do you think Kim Jong Il is just flaunting his power as he slowly looses it? Do you think North Korea is trying to get our attention? Do you think they may start a war...possibly WWIII?

It's kind of scary, my friend, who isn't really too bright, always used to talk to me about WWIII, how he said it'd either be the Middle Eastern countries rising in power, or North Korea. And ever since these test launches and so forth have been happening, he won't shut up about it.

Are you scared? Because honestly I'm a mix of absolutely no fear, and more fear than ever before.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Wouldn't it be simple to simply cut off North Korea form the internet entirely? There doesn't appear to be any protocol that says every country must have a ccTLD or access to the internet. There's probably nothing to prevent IANA from revoking .kp from the DNS list.

[Rhodmhire]

Wouldn't it be simple to simply cut off North Korea form the internet entirely? There doesn't appear to be any protocol that says every country must have a ccTLD or access to the internet. There's probably nothing to prevent IANA from revoking .kp from the DNS list.

A lot of what I'm seeing is that these countries, or at least the U.S. in particular, is trying to ignore these things. I heard that their latest launch, in violation of U.N. restrictions, was almost completely ignored by Obama and his cabinet members, however that may not be true. And I'm not saying like "Oh he ain't blowin' them commies off the Earth, he hates America!" or anything, I think it may be a good thing not to give North Korea the attention they may be wanting.

But then again, they may not be after attention, and may want to do other things that we can't ignore. I think we should be ready to defend against North Korea, but not so concerned--I feel the more concerned we are, the more we could potentially doom ourselves in the process.

[Rhodmhire]

Wouldn't it be simple to simply cut off North Korea form the internet entirely? There doesn't appear to be any protocol that says every country must have a ccTLD or access to the internet. There's probably nothing to prevent IANA from revoking .kp from the DNS list.

It'd be very simple, but there's probably some sort of restriction to just cutting off other countries' Internet access, maybe in the case that they try to interfere with other countries' access it's possible, but I don't know what the restrictions and/or loopholes are.

I also suppose cutting off their Internet access would piss them off, and maybe even provoke North Korea to lean towards violence, or even war. But I don't think they're stupid enough to go to war at this point.

[Chetssaland]

Meh, I'm kind of excited. WWIII would be awesome. That is, if its the way I hope its gonna go. North Korea shoots a missle at the US and it fails miserably. Then other countries get pissed and want war with them. China starts defending and being stupid. The North attacks the South and Japan comes in with its lasers and other high tech stuff. The war goes on and we pull out of the middle east, if we're not already out by then, and go to Korea. With Europe, Japan, and South Korea on our side, we'd kick ass. China has no tech and most of the soldiers probably hate China, and the same goes for the North. Finallt Kim kills himself, China pulls out, and I dont know the res...

Probably wont happen that way, but hey? Its a nice thought.

[Rhodmhire]

Meh, I'm kind of excited. WWIII would be awesome. That is, if its the way I hope its gonna go. North Korea shoots a missle at the US and it fails miserably. Then other countries get pissed and want war with them. China starts defending and being stupid. The North attacks the South and Japan comes in with its lasers and other high tech stuff. The war goes on and we pull out of the middle east, if we're not already out by then, and go to Korea. With Europe, Japan, and South Korea on our side, we'd kick ass. China has no tech and most of the soldiers probably hate China, and the same goes for the North. Finallt Kim kills himself, China pulls out, and I dont know the res...

Probably wont happen that way, but hey? Its a nice thought.

My friend who mentioned that also happens to get most of his war-based information from COD video games...

It's kind of cool in the sense of how it might go down, but in the sense of we'd probably get ourselves killed in the process, it's not so good. I always liked what Einstein said, something along the lines of:

"I know not what the weapons of WWIII will be, but I know WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."

[Chetssaland]

Meh, I'm kind of excited. WWIII would be awesome. That is, if its the way I hope its gonna go. North Korea shoots a missle at the US and it fails miserably. Then other countries get pissed and want war with them. China starts defending and being stupid. The North attacks the South and Japan comes in with its lasers and other high tech stuff. The war goes on and we pull out of the middle east, if we're not already out by then, and go to Korea. With Europe, Japan, and South Korea on our side, we'd kick ass. China has no tech and most of the soldiers probably hate China, and the same goes for the North. Finallt Kim kills himself, China pulls out, and I dont know the res...

Probably wont happen that way, but hey? Its a nice thought.

My friend who mentioned that also happens to get most of his war-based information from COD video games...

It's kind of cool in the sense of how it might go down, but in the sense of we'd probably get ourselves killed in the process, it's not so good. I always liked what Einstein said, something along the lines of:

"I know not what the weapons of WWIII will be, but I know WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Nah. WWIV Will be fought with leftover AK's and pistols and rifles and stuff. It will be with strangers on the street trying to gain control of rubble. WWIV will be fought amongst civilians and will end with almost every last human dead.

No I dont think that WW3 will be a world ender. Unless the antichrist comes along, leaders should be smart enough not to use nukes like crazy. Kim Jong Il doesnt count because his nukes are like Korean War era nukes. I hope to see WW3 at the end of my life so I know if I die, I would have already lived my life.

[Pyrelos]

If I am to die, I'd love to die under the boot of a giant robot.

Make it happen Japan, we know that Gundam is not just sitting there!

[Chetssaland]

I'd rather die under a giant nuke

[Xin Han]

I'm just waiting for them to do something over the top. When they show us they have a missile that is actually capable of reaching the US, then I'll be truly scared. For now, I am worried about South Korea and Japan. I have a cousin in Japan and a friend living with family in South Korea. I haven't talked to them since this whole thing got started, but I know when the North launched its "satellite", they were freaked out.

As for the WWIII thing, I've always thought it would start in East Asia due to communism. Besides, wasn't that supposed to be what WWIII was supposed to be about US vs. Soviets? It is the same thing with different countries. I say it will either start when North Korea invades, bombs, etc. the South or when China decides to invade Taiwan. Honestly, I think both would end up happening simultaneously. I hope it doesn't happen for a very long time, but I know I will most likely see it in my generation. The only positive thing I see about it, is that the Korea will be one united nation again, and that we can finally unite China under the Republic of China and end communism for good...except maybe for Cuba, but they won't last too much longer.

[Chetssaland]

WW3 is inevitable for the destruction of communism. I believe this will be a victory for the good guys, as it always is, for a price. Communism in Cuba will die with the Castros.

[United Russian State]

I don't see how NK would be able to start WW3.

[Xin Han]

I don't see how NK would be able to start WW3.

Look at the recent events and their threats. Do you not think nuking South Korea or Japan would start WWIII?

[Ifreann]

I'm curious as to what a DDOS attack against .gov websites would actually achieve. Annoying people? Is NK turning into the /b/ of international politics?

[Saint Clair Island]

WW3 is inevitable for the destruction of communism. I believe this will be a victory for the good guys, as it always is, for a price. Communism in Cuba will die with the Castros.

But everyone knows the capitalists are the bad guys! See, they have top hats and wear monocles, and kick starving beggars to the curb, and occasionally run small children and puppies over in their carriages (which are pulled by slaves, not horses!). You're doomed to fail! Besides, North Korea has a smaller and less powerful army so narrative causality says it's more likely to win!

[Saint Clair Island]

I'm curious as to what a DDOS attack against .gov websites would actually achieve. Annoying people? Is NK turning into the /b/ of international politics?

It's been that all along, I thought.

[United Russian State]

I don't see how NK would be able to start WW3.

Look at the recent events and their threats. Do you not think nuking South Korea or Japan would start WWIII?

Russia already stated it would shot down any missiles fired from NK at SK or other countries in the region. I am sure America could do the same. I don't see WW3 starting. Maybe a regional war against NK but not a world war. What countries would ally itself with NK and risk WW3?

[Mirkana]

I have a plan to stop them.

The US develops an ingenious cyber-defense system that uses 4chan as a shield.

The North Koreans attack again, but instead of taking down government websites, they take down 4chan.

The Internet declares war on North Korea.

Six months later, an all-volunteer army invades North Korea.

[Moreau Catholic High]

I'm curious as to what a DDOS attack against .gov websites would actually achieve. Annoying people? Is NK turning into the /b/ of international politics?

Exactly. Overall, this attack is meaningless, since it's basically just a massive wave of traffic thrown at .gov sites. It doesn't do anything other than inconvenience people. Nothing to really worry about.

Now, if they managed to hack the Pentagon or something, then we should talk about being worried.

On the issue of WW3 though, I doubt China will defend NK. From what I can see, they only support NK because it's a thorn in the side of West. However, handling that thorn can get rather irritating, and if a massive coalition ends up attacking NK because of something NK did, I doubt China would intervene.

[Mirkana]

I'm curious as to what a DDOS attack against .gov websites would actually achieve. Annoying people? Is NK turning into the /b/ of international politics?

Exactly. Overall, this attack is meaningless, since it's basically just a massive wave of traffic thrown at .gov sites. It doesn't do anything other than inconvenience people. Nothing to really worry about.

Now, if they managed to hack the Pentagon or something, then we should talk about being worried.

On the issue of WW3 though, I doubt China will defend NK. From what I can see, they only support NK because it's a thorn in the side of West. However, handling that thorn can get rather irritating, and if a massive coalition ends up attacking NK because of something NK did, I doubt China would intervene.

Actually, I could see China attacking North Korea - or, more likely, backing a military coup that puts a North Korean general in power and turns North Korea into a Chinese puppet state. Liberalization would likely follow.

[Xin Han]

I'm curious as to what a DDOS attack against .gov websites would actually achieve. Annoying people? Is NK turning into the /b/ of international politics?

Exactly. Overall, this attack is meaningless, since it's basically just a massive wave of traffic thrown at .gov sites. It doesn't do anything other than inconvenience people. Nothing to really worry about.

Now, if they managed to hack the Pentagon or something, then we should talk about being worried.

On the issue of WW3 though, I doubt China will defend NK. From what I can see, they only support NK because it's a thorn in the side of West. However, handling that thorn can get rather irritating, and if a massive coalition ends up attacking NK because of something NK did, I doubt China would intervene.

Actually, I could see China attacking North Korea - or, more likely, backing a military coup that puts a North Korean general in power and turns North Korea into a Chinese puppet state. Liberalization would likely follow.

Now that's a thought.

[Mirkana]

Actually, I could see China attacking North Korea - or, more likely, backing a military coup that puts a North Korean general in power and turns North Korea into a Chinese puppet state. Liberalization would likely follow.

Now that's a thought.

In fact, I actually hope this happens. It gets rid of Kim Jong-Il with minimal bloodshed, and puts the North Korean people under a relatively lenient government*.

*- I'm no fan of the People's Republic of China, but they're better than a lot of other dictators out there... and not just Kim.

[GetBert]

I am beginning to think they are targetting NSG as well, judging by all the problems I am having with the forum this evening. Clearly they feel threatened by us.

[Saint Clair Island]

I am beginning to think they are targetting NSG as well, judging by all the problems I am having with the forum this evening. Clearly they feel threatened by us.

"Internal Server 502 error". Hah! Everyone knows it's a 500 error, not a 502 error! Foiled by your lack of knowledge of Western computery, eh Kim?

[Tmutarakhan]

I'm curious as to what a DDOS attack against .gov websites would actually achieve. Annoying people? Is NK turning into the /b/ of international politics?

It's been that all along, I thought.

No, they're not like a whole board, more like the last n00b who still doesn't get it on an RP board where everybody else has figured out how to conduct war threads without a bunch of godmoding.