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Postby The Atlantian islands » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:37 pm

Persian Isolation
A Quiet Axis Forms Against Iran in the Middle East
By Alexander Smoltczyk and Bernhard Zand


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Israel and the Arab states near the Persian Gulf recognize a common threat: the regime in Tehran. A regional diplomat has not even ruled out support by the Arab states for a military strike to end Iran's nuclear ambitions.

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When asked whether the UAE would support a possible Israeli air strike against the regime in Tehran, Ambassador Otaiba said: "A military attack on Iran by whomever would be a disaster, but Iran with a nuclear weapon would be a bigger disaster."

These were unusually candid words. A military strike, the diplomat continued, would undoubtedly lead to a "backlash." "There will be problems of people protesting and rioting and very unhappy that there is an outside force attacking a Muslim country," he said.

But, he added, "if you are asking me, 'Am I willing to live with that versus living with a nuclear Iran,' my answer is still the same. We cannot live with a nuclear Iran. I am willing to absorb what takes place at the expense of the security of the U.A.E."

Democratic Congresswoman Jane Harman said afterwards that she had never heard anything like it coming from an Arab government official. Otaiba, she added, was "astonishingly honest."

Notwithstanding the shocking nature of his remarks, Otaiba was merely expressing, in a public forum, "the standard position of many Arab countries," says Middle East expert Jeffrey Goldberg, a writer for The Atlantic Monthly who moderated the panel discussion in Aspen.

The fact that some Western politicians are unfamiliar with this position has to do with their own ignorance, and with the diplomatic skill with which the smaller Gulf states, in particular, have managed to hide their opposition to their powerful neighbor until now.

"The Jews and Arabs have been fighting for one hundred years. The Arabs and the Persians have been going at (it) for a thousand," argues Goldberg on The Atlantic's Web site.

Almost all Arab neighbors have a hostile relationship with the Islamic Republic. Saudi Arabia suspects Iran of stirring up the Shiite minority in its eastern provinces. The Arab emirates accuse Iran of occupying three islands in the Persian Gulf. Egypt has not had regular diplomatic relations with Iran since a street in Tehran was named after the murderer of former Egyptian President Anwar el-Sadat.

Jordanian King Abdullah II warns against the establishment of a "Shiite crescent" between Iran and Lebanon. And Kuwait, fearing the Iranians, installed the Patriot air defense missile system in the spring.

Closely Aligned

Arab governments are concerned about a strong Iran, its nuclear program and the inflammatory speeches of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. They share these concerns with another government in the Middle East -- Israel's.

Never have the strategic interests of the Jewish and Arab states been so closely aligned as they are today. While European and American security experts consistently characterize a military strike against Iran as "a last option," notable Arabs have long shared the views of Israel's ultra-nationalist foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman. If no one else takes it upon himself to bomb Iran, Saudi cleric Mohsen al-Awaji told SPIEGEL, Israel will have to do it. "Israel's agenda has its limits," he said, noting that it is mainly concerned with securing its national existence. "But Iran's agenda is global."

Sometimes that agenda leads to actions that are as absurd as they are typical. In February, for example, Tehran issued a landing ban on all airlines that used the phrase "Arab Gulf" instead of "Persian Gulf" in their on-board programming.

But Arab countries are pursuing a delicate seesaw policy. The UAE cannot afford to openly offend Iran, which explains why Ambassador Otaiba was promptly ordered to return home on Wednesday.

This caution only conceals the deep divide between the Arabs and the Persians. Despite their public expressions of outrage over Israeli behavior, such as the blockade of the Gaza Strip, Arab countries in the region continue to pursue their pragmatic course. On June 12, The Times in London wrote that Saudi Arabia had recently "conducted tests to stand down its air defenses to enable Israeli jets to make a bombing raid on Iran's nuclear facilities" -- in the event of an attack on the nuclear power plant in Bushehr. In March, Western intelligence agencies reported that there were signs of secret negotiations between Jerusalem and Riyadh to discuss the possibility.

"We are aligned (with the United States) on every policy issue there is in the Middle East," Ambassador Otaiba said in Aspen.

Pragmatism and Shifting Alliances

"The UAE has chosen to side with the camp of those who apply to the letter the new United Nations resolution of June 9," wrote French philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy, noting that it was "truly a blow to the regime" in Iran. For Lévy, the "union sacrée" of Muslim countries against the "Zionist enemy" is a fantasy. The countries that feel threatened by Tehran, he added, now have the opportunity to form an alliance of convenience.

Next to Jordan, the UAE is the only Arab country with soldiers deployed in Afghanistan -- fighting on the side of the United States. Abu Dhabi, the richest of the seven emirates, has reportedly been pressuring Dubai to keep closer tabs on the many influential Iranians living there.


In late June, the UAE's central bank froze 41 accounts, some of which could be directly linked to Iran's Revolutionary Guard. The accounts were allegedly being used to conduct transactions tied to the smuggling of materials listed under the embargo against Iran.

Before that, the UAE had announced tighter controls on ships in the Dubai free trade zone. "Security forces have interdicted scores of ships suspected of carrying illicit cargo," said Hamad Al Kaabi, the UAE's permanent representative to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

The Arab nations on the Gulf are pursuing realpolitik in their dealings with Iran. When in doubt, they come down on the side of the Americans, but they prefer to pursue the route of negotiation and trade. The ruler of a Gulf emirate recently told a delegation of senior European politicians: "The best way to handle the Iranians is to trade with them."

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan


Wild article, showing that when it comes to Iran and the realization that Iran can not be allowed to have The Bomb, Arab and Israeli interests overlap and line up.

If Israel ends up bombing Iran's nuclear sites, muslims throughout the middle east will scream and protest, but Muslim governments (not alligned to Iran) will breathe a collective sigh of relief.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:41 pm

Had the Arabs ever stop thinking the Persians were a threat?
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Postby The Atlantian islands » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:42 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Had the Arabs ever stop thinking the Persians were a threat?

äähhmm...they are a threat.

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Postby Glorious Homeland » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:44 pm

Since the Iranian revolution many Arab states feel that Iran is a threat; as it could try and force or support the same violent revolutionary change on them as it had on itself. I didn't think this was obscure knowladge; the Iranians and Arabs are culturally different, and even religiously; shia/sunni generally speaking.

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Postby Georgism » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:49 pm

Exciting stuff. Theoretically, could the radiation from a nuclear strike in the middle east make its way to say... London?
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Postby Glorious Homeland » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:51 pm

Georgism wrote:Exciting stuff. Theoretically, could the radiation from a nuclear strike in the middle east make its way to say... London?

Depends. Look at Hiroshima for reference.

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Postby Shadow25 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:52 pm

arab leaders worship the status quo they want a stable political life so that when they die they can transfer power to their family easily and quietly, iran on the other hand is a republic and an islamic one so it combines the two major threats to arab leaders., while iran do want to expand its influence in the middle east it is by no mean a threat as israel to arab population not arab leaders who benefit so much from the presence of israel
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Glorious Homeland wrote:
Georgism wrote:Exciting stuff. Theoretically, could the radiation from a nuclear strike in the middle east make its way to say... London?

Depends. Look at Hiroshima for reference.


Chernobyl would be better. It was fascinating how far the radiation traveled......
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It's just plain irony at work. America's ally Israel get's to have nuclear weapons for protection against it's harsh neighbours but Iran a Russian ally under the same hostile neighbours get's to have no nuclear weapons.
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Postby Maryginia » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:56 pm

Georgism wrote:Exciting stuff. Theoretically, could the radiation from a nuclear strike in the middle east make its way to say... London?

actually the winds in the mddle east would spread it round the world
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Sremski okrug wrote:It's just plain irony at work. America's ally Israel get's to have nuclear weapons for protection against it's harsh neighbours but Iran a Russian ally under the same hostile neighbours get's to have no nuclear weapons.


It is amazing, isn't it? If Iran had murdered a bunch of international aid workers, they'd already be facing an invasion, but since Israel did it, it's okay. It's the same basic principle at work here: Israel can do no wrong. :roll:
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South Kirkcaldy wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:It's just plain irony at work. America's ally Israel get's to have nuclear weapons for protection against it's harsh neighbours but Iran a Russian ally under the same hostile neighbours get's to have no nuclear weapons.


It is amazing, isn't it? If Iran had murdered a bunch of international aid workers, they'd already be facing an invasion, but since Israel did it, it's okay. It's the same basic principle at work here: Israel can do no wrong. :roll:

Might makes right in diplomacy...
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Georgism wrote:
South Kirkcaldy wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:It's just plain irony at work. America's ally Israel get's to have nuclear weapons for protection against it's harsh neighbours but Iran a Russian ally under the same hostile neighbours get's to have no nuclear weapons.


It is amazing, isn't it? If Iran had murdered a bunch of international aid workers, they'd already be facing an invasion, but since Israel did it, it's okay. It's the same basic principle at work here: Israel can do no wrong. :roll:

Might makes right in diplomacy...


Unfortunately...
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You sound like a nice friend, but since I am 19, it wouldn't really work out well legally.

Plus, I doubt your bisexual, thus making it nigh impossible for us to date.

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Postby Rolamec » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:14 pm

Excellent. We now have a justification to invade Iran! Muhawahahaha!!!!
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I never did trust any of the Arab governments.
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Georgism wrote:
South Kirkcaldy wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:It's just plain irony at work. America's ally Israel get's to have nuclear weapons for protection against it's harsh neighbours but Iran a Russian ally under the same hostile neighbours get's to have no nuclear weapons.


It is amazing, isn't it? If Iran had murdered a bunch of international aid workers, they'd already be facing an invasion, but since Israel did it, it's okay. It's the same basic principle at work here: Israel can do no wrong. :roll:

Might makes right in diplomacy...


The United States don't understand that Russia are they key to a peaceful middle east. Russia are the only country that can negotiate with Iran.
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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:19 pm

Sremski okrug wrote:
Georgism wrote:
South Kirkcaldy wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:It's just plain irony at work. America's ally Israel get's to have nuclear weapons for protection against it's harsh neighbours but Iran a Russian ally under the same hostile neighbours get's to have no nuclear weapons.


It is amazing, isn't it? If Iran had murdered a bunch of international aid workers, they'd already be facing an invasion, but since Israel did it, it's okay. It's the same basic principle at work here: Israel can do no wrong. :roll:

Might makes right in diplomacy...


The United States don't understand that Russia are they key to a peaceful middle east. Russia are the only country that can negotiate with Iran.

The US don't understand a lot of things...
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Postby Georgism » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:23 pm

Sremski okrug wrote:
Georgism wrote:
South Kirkcaldy wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:It's just plain irony at work. America's ally Israel get's to have nuclear weapons for protection against it's harsh neighbours but Iran a Russian ally under the same hostile neighbours get's to have no nuclear weapons.


It is amazing, isn't it? If Iran had murdered a bunch of international aid workers, they'd already be facing an invasion, but since Israel did it, it's okay. It's the same basic principle at work here: Israel can do no wrong. :roll:

Might makes right in diplomacy...


The United States don't understand that Russia are they key to a peaceful middle east. Russia are the only country that can negotiate with Iran.

You assume they want to negotiate. :)
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Georgism wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:
Georgism wrote:
South Kirkcaldy wrote:
Sremski okrug wrote:It's just plain irony at work. America's ally Israel get's to have nuclear weapons for protection against it's harsh neighbours but Iran a Russian ally under the same hostile neighbours get's to have no nuclear weapons.


It is amazing, isn't it? If Iran had murdered a bunch of international aid workers, they'd already be facing an invasion, but since Israel did it, it's okay. It's the same basic principle at work here: Israel can do no wrong. :roll:

Might makes right in diplomacy...


The United States don't understand that Russia are they key to a peaceful middle east. Russia are the only country that can negotiate with Iran.

You assume they want to negotiate. :)



They've negotiated in the past. Russia have a good relationship with them. Iran do have a sane government.
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Postby Glorious Homeland » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:43 pm

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:I never did trust any of the Arab governments.

Well, if it makes you feel any better they probably never trusted you either :)

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They've negotiated in the past. Russia have a good relationship with them. Iran do have a sane government.

Since when is a supreme leader who draws his authority from ultra-conservative religious zealots, and holds parallel state security forces loyal only to him to ensure the public's army and police don't turn on him... "sane government"?
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Postby Rolling squid » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:55 pm

Glorious Homeland wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:I never did trust any of the Arab governments.

Well, if it makes you feel any better they probably never trusted you either :)

Sremski okrug wrote:

They've negotiated in the past. Russia have a good relationship with them. Iran do have a sane government.

Since when is a supreme leader who draws his authority from ultra-conservative religious zealots, and holds parallel state security forces loyal only to him to ensure the public's army and police don't turn on him... "sane government"?


Because that supreme leader is a highly intelligent, power hungry person. He's not going to do anything that could lead to an invasion of, or an attack on Iran.
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Postby Southern Patriots » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:57 pm

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:I never did trust any of the Arab governments.

You should nuke them. That'll teach them not to trust you.

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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:58 pm

Southern Patriots wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:I never did trust any of the Arab governments.

You should nuke them. That'll teach them not to trust you.

As far as I know, the US is the only country to actually use a nuke...
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Postby Vonners » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:05 pm

anyone who thinks the ruling elites of the Gulf states ever liked or supported Iran post Shah is not worthy of commenting on the subject.
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