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by Chaos masters » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:26 pm
Well maybe you could have bitched at them, thats all you seem to be good for huh?!Cm the mistress of bitch that's what they should call you. Seriously Five ancient sages of bitchdom gathered one day on the peaks of Mount Bitch to proclaim your birth. And 100 years, when all the bitch stars had aligned you were born and made everybodies life a living hell BECAUSE YOU ARE SUCH A BITCH!
by Central Slavia » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:29 pm
New Nicksyllvania wrote:That's one factor, but it's not as if poor people just spend their whole time eating McDonalds. Another factor is that, when a poor mother is faced with a choice to buy either a pack of 5 organic turkey slices full of nutrients at $3.95, or a pack of 20 ultra value turkey slices, devoid of any useful nutrients, that goes at $1.50, she will choose the latter.
Contrary to popular belief, "organic" products are not magically nutritionally superior to non organic products
Glorious Homeland wrote:
You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.
Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions
Great Nepal wrote:Please stick to OFFICIAL numbers. Why to go to scholars,[cut]
by Hydesland » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:30 pm
New Nicksyllvania wrote:That's one factor, but it's not as if poor people just spend their whole time eating McDonalds. Another factor is that, when a poor mother is faced with a choice to buy either a pack of 5 organic turkey slices full of nutrients at $3.95, or a pack of 20 ultra value turkey slices, devoid of any useful nutrients, that goes at $1.50, she will choose the latter.
Contrary to popular belief, "organic" products are not magically nutritionally superior to non organic products
by Jimanistan » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:37 pm
by Chaos masters » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:44 pm
Well maybe you could have bitched at them, thats all you seem to be good for huh?!Cm the mistress of bitch that's what they should call you. Seriously Five ancient sages of bitchdom gathered one day on the peaks of Mount Bitch to proclaim your birth. And 100 years, when all the bitch stars had aligned you were born and made everybodies life a living hell BECAUSE YOU ARE SUCH A BITCH!
by Jimanistan » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:44 pm
New Nicksyllvania wrote:Then their would certainly be an individual smart enough to seize the means of production for himself so that he does not have to do any menial labour.
by Unhealthy2 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:45 pm
Hydesland wrote:That's one factor, but it's not as if poor people just spend their whole time eating McDonalds. Another factor is that, when a poor mother is faced with a choice to buy either a pack of 5 organic turkey slices full of nutrients at $3.95, or a pack of 20 ultra value turkey slices, devoid of any useful nutrients, that goes at $1.50, she will choose the latter.
by Hydesland » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:46 pm
Unhealthy2 wrote:Hydesland wrote:That's one factor, but it's not as if poor people just spend their whole time eating McDonalds. Another factor is that, when a poor mother is faced with a choice to buy either a pack of 5 organic turkey slices full of nutrients at $3.95, or a pack of 20 ultra value turkey slices, devoid of any useful nutrients, that goes at $1.50, she will choose the latter.
So taxing the unhealthy choice would be better, because it would force struggling poor people to pay even more than they currently do? What about lowering the cost of healthy food? That seems less anti-poor.
by Chaos masters » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:47 pm
Unhealthy2 wrote:Hydesland wrote:That's one factor, but it's not as if poor people just spend their whole time eating McDonalds. Another factor is that, when a poor mother is faced with a choice to buy either a pack of 5 organic turkey slices full of nutrients at $3.95, or a pack of 20 ultra value turkey slices, devoid of any useful nutrients, that goes at $1.50, she will choose the latter.
So taxing the unhealthy choice would be better, because it would force struggling poor people to pay even more than they currently do? What about lowering the cost of healthy food? That seems less anti-poor.
Well maybe you could have bitched at them, thats all you seem to be good for huh?!Cm the mistress of bitch that's what they should call you. Seriously Five ancient sages of bitchdom gathered one day on the peaks of Mount Bitch to proclaim your birth. And 100 years, when all the bitch stars had aligned you were born and made everybodies life a living hell BECAUSE YOU ARE SUCH A BITCH!
by Idashda » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:50 pm
Nazi Flower Power wrote:I'm very disorganized and lazy, so it always amazes me that there are people who can't take care of themselves as well as I do. How can such people still exist after millions of years of evolution? It's actually the best argument I can think of for creationism.
I think we do enough to save the stupid from themselves, but I get the feeling our society is drifting in a direction where we will do more and more to coddle them. That has been the trend for the last couple of centuries -- more and more coddling all the time.
by Allbeama » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:09 pm
Regiria wrote:Mystic Skeptic wrote:Seriously, one of the core believes I have is that the foundation of freedom is personal responsibility. People have to be able to choose their own course of action and live with the results - even if it is disastrous. I always figured most people are smart enough to make sound and wise decisions with their life. There will always be people who make dumb decisions, but I always presumed that the majority of folks are smart enough to do the right thing for their own self interest.
That was your first mistake.
by The Adrian Empire » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:51 pm
Jimanistan wrote:Maybe if they were smart enough to work together and seize the means of production, they would be smart enough to take care of themselves...
Faith Hope Charity wrote:I would just like to take this time to say... The Adrian Empire is awesome.
by Zirconim » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:53 pm
by Arkinesia » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:53 pm
New Nicksyllvania wrote:No, and we should leave them to drown in their mud FFS clean out the gene pool
Disappointment Panda wrote:Don't hope for a life without problems. There's no such thing. Instead, hope for a life full of good problems.
by Wamitoria » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:56 pm
New Nicksyllvania wrote:That's one factor, but it's not as if poor people just spend their whole time eating McDonalds. Another factor is that, when a poor mother is faced with a choice to buy either a pack of 5 organic turkey slices full of nutrients at $3.95, or a pack of 20 ultra value turkey slices, devoid of any useful nutrients, that goes at $1.50, she will choose the latter.
Contrary to popular belief, "organic" products are not magically nutritionally superior to non organic products
by The Adrian Empire » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:15 pm
Allbeama wrote:Regiria wrote:Mystic Skeptic wrote:Seriously, one of the core believes I have is that the foundation of freedom is personal responsibility. People have to be able to choose their own course of action and live with the results - even if it is disastrous. I always figured most people are smart enough to make sound and wise decisions with their life. There will always be people who make dumb decisions, but I always presumed that the majority of folks are smart enough to do the right thing for their own self interest.
That was your first mistake.
I would like to add to this thought, because the phrase self interest is always one that I think carries a broader meaning than the people who like to throw it around in brilliant rhetorical fashion tend to think it has. Acting in one's own self interest, first of all, is no guarantee of anyone doing "the right thing". To decide for example, that you should exercise because it is in your self interest, you would have to accept the premise that exercise serves your self interest better than not exercising. Seeing as humans tend to have different opinions and different methodologies to obtain those opinions, not everyone is going to conclude the same thing regarding what serves their self interest best. Someone might conclude that murdering a man and stealing his money is in his best interest, because then they would have more money, and possibly have experienced the joy of murdering someone. Does that make it a moral imperative for all people? Hell no. It is just the reasoning, however it is percieved, of a single individual. In effect, the "right thing" to do probably has more going on than whether or not it is in your own self interest or not. Especially when we are discussing morality.
Faith Hope Charity wrote:I would just like to take this time to say... The Adrian Empire is awesome.
by Roan Cara » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:22 pm
Bottle wrote:Mystic Skeptic wrote:Seriously, one of the core believes I have is that the foundation of freedom is personal responsibility. People have to be able to choose their own course of action and live with the results - even if it is disastrous. I always figured most people are smart enough to make sound and wise decisions with their life. There will always be people who make dumb decisions, but I always presumed that the majority of folks are smart enough to do the right thing for their own self interest.
I am having difficulties maintaining my faith in this.
Not long ago I read article (which I have since lost) where they studied the ability of people to plan for the future. As expected; the subjects fared quite poorly. I didn't want to believe it, but then I started looking around me. People are very bad at setting their priorities around anything that is in the future. Consider these:
1) Fitness - It is epidemic how many people don't exercise or eat well, fully knowing the toll it will take on them in the future.
2) Savings - The majority of Americans don't even have an adequate cash reserve, let alone retirement savings, yet consumer spending continues to increase every year.
3) Insurance - Enough people went without health insurance that the government had to legislate it to being mandatory to own! Life insurance, renters insurance, etc. all are under-owned. The only insurance most mpeople own is because it is mandated.
4) Education - Drop out rates in high school can be 50%-75% !
I could go on. There certainly are people who live responsibly and reap the benefits and rewards of having done so - but I am starting to think that it might be a majority of people out there incapable of caring for themselves in one or more of the above areas. Certainly there are people who experience events beyond their control - but it would be foolish to believe that is the rule rather than the exception - particularly when it is as prevalent as is.
So my question to you is on many levels. Do you believe the majority of people are smart enough to care for themselves? If so, what do you think should be done with/about the people who choose unwise decisions? If you do not believe that the majority of people are smart enough to take care of themselves, what do you propose be done to avert catastrophe for them and the society they live in?
Gotta give you a nice *golfclap* for that impressive show of privilege.
Come volunteer with me at the free clinic in Southwest DC for a few weeks, then tell me about how those people are overweight, poor, uninsured, and undereducated because they're LAZY or STUPID, K?
by United Dependencies » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:23 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by United Dependencies » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:27 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by The Adrian Empire » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:29 pm
Faith Hope Charity wrote:I would just like to take this time to say... The Adrian Empire is awesome.
by Faith Hope Charity » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:29 pm
by Big Jim P » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:32 pm
The Adrian Empire wrote:
Should read both
Yes, people can take care of themselves and each other when the situation demands, society stands as a testament to that (crumbling though it may be)
by The Adrian Empire » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:34 pm
Big Jim P wrote:The Adrian Empire wrote:
Should read both
Yes, people can take care of themselves and each other when the situation demands, society stands as a testament to that (crumbling though it may be)
Society is crumbling because our individual monkey spheres are shrinking. I am down to about a dozen or so, and every one of them is a relative.
Faith Hope Charity wrote:I would just like to take this time to say... The Adrian Empire is awesome.
Faith Hope Charity wrote:I would just like to take this time to say... The Adrian Empire is awesome.
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