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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:30 pm

Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I live in the USA, that doesn't mean I should leave because some people are criminals.

False equivalence. The USA is a country, with hundreds of millions of people who physically live there. 4chan, at least in terms of its more well known components, is a digital cesspool known for enabling the harassment even of those who aren't involved in it.

The USA is a million times worse. The government has killed millions of people.
If those who participate in that cesspool wanted porn, they could have looked elsewhere.

Or they could not, they're doing nothing which enables or supports the less savory elements, unlike people who continue to live in the USA.
Instead, they choose to participate in a site that has facilitated large-scale harassment, even towards those not on it.

So has Nationstates.

What does that suggest?

Some people are assholes and theres nothing you can do to completely disassociate yourself from all of them except to become a complete recluse.
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Postby Class Warhair » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:36 pm

It makes me nervous that the OP uses ... that name ... and the word "inferred" in the thread title.

What if one of them sees it? That word is eight letters long, and it's in a dictionary!
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Postby Post-Unity Terra » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:43 pm

Class Warhair wrote:It makes me nervous that the OP uses ... that name ... and the word "inferred" in the thread title.

What if one of them sees it? That word is eight letters long, and it's in a dictionary!

>Implying anyone would do something so predictable

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Postby Hayteria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:45 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:The USA is a million times worse. The government has killed millions of people.

Not defending the entirety of US imperialism here, but purposes like counteracting communism and the like are more respectable purposes than "for the lulz." Even then, I'm not sure if most of the people in the US realize the harm that its imperialism has done.

Lackadaisical2 wrote:So has Nationstates.

However much it has facilitated, I doubt it is comparable in severity or frequency to what 4chan has facilitated...

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Postby Tungookska » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:46 pm

Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:The USA is a million times worse. The government has killed millions of people.

Not defending the entirety of US imperialism here, but purposes like counteracting communism and the like are more respectable purposes than "for the lulz." Even then, I'm not sure if most of the people in the US realize the harm that its imperialism has done.

communism isnt really a reason

also we bomb brown people for the lulz

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:48 pm

Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:So has Nationstates.

However much it has facilitated, I doubt it is comparable in severity or frequency to what 4chan has facilitated...

So? You're using the internet, 4chan is on the internet... therefore, what can we conclude about you?
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Postby Hayteria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:49 pm

Class Warhair wrote:It makes me nervous that the OP uses ... that name ... and the word "inferred" in the thread title.

What if one of them sees it? That word is eight letters long, and it's in a dictionary!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inferred

The sense in which I was using it is closest to the 2nd definition... I am sort of left wondering why you mention that it is in a dictionary...

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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:51 pm

Hayteria wrote:
Class Warhair wrote:It makes me nervous that the OP uses ... that name ... and the word "inferred" in the thread title.

What if one of them sees it? That word is eight letters long, and it's in a dictionary!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inferred

The sense in which I was using it is closest to the 2nd definition... I am sort of left wondering why you mention that it is in a dictionary...

I imagine he was the one that linked this thread to /b and flamed them on behalf of NSG.
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Postby Hayteria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:54 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:So has Nationstates.

However much it has facilitated, I doubt it is comparable in severity or frequency to what 4chan has facilitated...

So? You're using the internet, 4chan is on the internet... therefore, what can we conclude about you?

:roll:

There is a difference between using a medium, and using part of a medium. If someone were to claim that the Grand Theft Auto games are indefensible (not a perspective I agree with, mind you, I played GTA2 a bit myself) that would be different from claiming that the entirety of video games are an indefensible medium.

Similar thing here, you are comparing use of a particular website to use of an entire medium. A medium that enables me to communicate with people all over the world in ways that regular in-person conversation never would. A medium wherein typing words into search engines can lead me to more info and entertainment on a specific subject I choose, in an easy and convenient manner. These are just some examples of things for which using the Internet is better than, well, not using it.

On the other hand, I am not convinced of any particular advantage, other than perhaps in the field of trolling, to using a site like 4chan. You claim they are in it for the porn, but there are plenty of ways to find porn, so they have alternatives... which still therefore begs the question as to why they go to 4chan in particular.
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Postby Hayteria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:55 pm

greed and death wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Class Warhair wrote:It makes me nervous that the OP uses ... that name ... and the word "inferred" in the thread title.

What if one of them sees it? That word is eight letters long, and it's in a dictionary!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inferred

The sense in which I was using it is closest to the 2nd definition... I am sort of left wondering why you mention that it is in a dictionary...

I imagine he was the one that linked this thread to /b and flamed them on behalf of NSG.

I have no idea what you are talking about...

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Postby New Amerik » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:56 pm

greed and death wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Class Warhair wrote:It makes me nervous that the OP uses ... that name ... and the word "inferred" in the thread title.

What if one of them sees it? That word is eight letters long, and it's in a dictionary!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inferred

The sense in which I was using it is closest to the 2nd definition... I am sort of left wondering why you mention that it is in a dictionary...

I imagine he was the one that linked this thread to /b and flamed them on behalf of NSG.


That....may not have been the wisest course of action. I mean, sure, all they can do is maybe try and hack the site or make new nations and spam the area, but it would be very inconvenient.

Of course, if they tried to hit Max, he would merely rise up and smash them with his biceps. That's good to know, at least.

Still.....someone did that? What did they say?
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:01 pm

Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:So has Nationstates.

However much it has facilitated, I doubt it is comparable in severity or frequency to what 4chan has facilitated...

So? You're using the internet, 4chan is on the internet... therefore, what can we conclude about you?

:roll:

There is a difference between using a medium, and using part of a medium. If someone were to claim that the Grand Theft Auto games are indefensible (not a perspective I agree with, mind you, I played GTA2 a bit myself) that would be different from claiming that the entirety of video games are an indefensible medium.

Similar thing here, you are comparing use of a particular website to use of an entire medium. A medium that enables me to communicate with people all over the world in ways that regular in-person conversation never would. A medium wherein typing words into search engines can lead me to more info and entertainment on a specific subject I choose, in an easy and convenient manner. These are just some examples of things for which using the Internet is better than, well, not using it.

On the other hand, I am not convinced of any particular advantage, other than perhaps in the field of trolling, to using a site like 4chan. You claim they are in it for the porn, but there are plenty of ways to find porn, so they have alternatives... which still therefore begs the question as to why they go to 4chan in particular.

If you're playing the group blame game I think it should work for anything you have a choice about.

I've already explained why people go onto 4chan, at this point you just seem like you have a grudge(trolled too hard on /b/ before?) or can't differentiate between those who do wrong and those who don't.
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Postby Moronius » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:03 pm

Hayteria wrote:...other than perhaps in the field of trolling...


Funny you should mention trolling...

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Postby Hayteria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:07 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:I've already explained why people go onto 4chan

I've already rebutalled such reasons.

Lackadaisical2 wrote:at this point you just seem like you have a grudge(trolled too hard on /b/ before?)

I wouldn't even post on /b/ actually. (Though I have to admit I lurked there for a while once. But I didn't post. EDIT: While on there I saw some prank telling you to mix bleach and ammonia to get nice crystals. I happen to know from chemistry that in real life it yields poisonous chlorine gas. If, however, someone less knowledgeable than chemistry, who for whatever unfortunate reason happened to trust a 4chan post at the time, actually did so, they'd be dead.)

Not sure if I've ever been targeted for trolling by them, though I doubt I would have been. Did it ever occur to you that one can be against something without having been previously targeted by it personally?

How about you respond to the arguments themselves, rather than what you perceive as my motives?
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Postby Tungookska » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:08 pm

Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I've already explained why people go onto 4chan

I've already rebutalled such reasons.

implying porn is something that can be rebuttaledededed
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:09 pm

Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I've already explained why people go onto 4chan

I've already rebutalled such reasons.

Lackadaisical2 wrote:at this point you just seem like you have a grudge(trolled too hard on /b/ before?)

I wouldn't even post on /b/ actually. (Though I have to admit I lurked there for a while once. But I didn't post.) Not sure if I've ever been targeted for trolling by them, though I doubt I would have been. Did it ever occur to you that one can be against something without having been previously targeted by it personally?

How about you respond to the arguments themselves, rather than what you perceive as my motives?

What argument? Its nothing.
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Postby Hayteria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:11 pm

Tungookska wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I've already explained why people go onto 4chan

I've already rebutalled such reasons.

implying porn is something that can be rebuttaledededed

The idea that it's justification for posting on 4chan can be. I've pointed out again and again that there are other places to go for it.

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Postby Rambhutan » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:12 pm

We can infer that boxxy is their queen.
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Postby Tungookska » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:12 pm

Hayteria wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I've already explained why people go onto 4chan

I've already rebutalled such reasons.

implying porn is something that can be rebuttaledededed

The idea that it's justification for posting on 4chan can be. I've pointed out again and again that there are other places to go for it.

so the idea of the internet is not justified because we can just go outside?

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Postby Geniasis » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:15 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Hayteria wrote:Then there's plenty of alternatives to 4chan; there's obviously an abundance of online sources of "unusual porn" so that still doesn't qualify as a justification for participation in 4chan.

Why not? Its easier to find the free porn that I like there. You do realize that 4chan=/= /b/ right?

go visit /d/ :lol2:


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Postby Esternial » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:19 pm

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Postby Caninope » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:20 pm

You do realize that /b/ is only a part of 4Chan, right? That's like saying RP'ers are like NSG'ers.
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Postby Imperial Domtopia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:21 pm

Hayteria wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I've already explained why people go onto 4chan

I've already rebutalled such reasons.

implying porn is something that can be rebuttaledededed

The idea that it's justification for posting on 4chan can be. I've pointed out again and again that there are other places to go for it.


Why? I like going on 4chan for porn. No viruses, easily accessible and there's a large variety. Not to mention the fact that /b/ can occasionally be amusing. Also, the rest of 4chan isn't that bad. You can actually have a decent discussion on /lit/ for example.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:23 pm

Imperial Domtopia wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I've already explained why people go onto 4chan

I've already rebutalled such reasons.

implying porn is something that can be rebuttaledededed

The idea that it's justification for posting on 4chan can be. I've pointed out again and again that there are other places to go for it.


Why? I like going on 4chan for porn. No viruses, easily accessible and there's a large variety. Not to mention the fact that /b/ can occasionally be amusing. Also, the rest of 4chan isn't that bad. You can actually have a decent discussion on /lit/ for example.

Hayteria already admitted to lurking /b/, thus we can infer soemthing about him. What that is is not clear, but presumably, its not good and has to do with people who stalk eleven year-olds.
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Postby Hayteria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:27 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Imperial Domtopia wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
Hayteria wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I've already explained why people go onto 4chan

I've already rebutalled such reasons.

implying porn is something that can be rebuttaledededed

The idea that it's justification for posting on 4chan can be. I've pointed out again and again that there are other places to go for it.


Why? I like going on 4chan for porn. No viruses, easily accessible and there's a large variety. Not to mention the fact that /b/ can occasionally be amusing. Also, the rest of 4chan isn't that bad. You can actually have a decent discussion on /lit/ for example.

Hayteria already admitted to lurking /b/, thus we can infer soemthing about him. What that is is not clear, but presumably, its not good and has to do with people who stalk eleven year-olds.

Wanting to know what the fuss was about has nothing to do with people who stalk 11 year olds. o.o

As for the lack of viruses, easy accesibility, etc... even then that doesn't mean there aren't alternatives.

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