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Postby Rolamec » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:01 pm

No, he was Jewish.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:03 pm

Rolamec wrote:No, he was Jewish.


Jews CAN be communist ;)
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Postby Caninope » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:06 pm

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Der Teutoniker wrote:Nope, he wasn't at all.

Advocating free-will charity is quite a bit different than"no-state" state enforced wealth redistribution.

And the notion that rich people are potentially less likely to enter the kingdom of God is not communist. It merely demonstrates the truth behind the corrupting allure of wealth, and the amassing of wealth.

One can be rich, and still a Christian (that is to say, a follower of Jesus).


No, one can be rich and call oneself a Christian. Not the same thing.

No, you can be rich and still be a Christian. It just becomes harder as the more wordly riches you have, the harder it is to give your soul to the Lord. That doesn't make them mutually exclusive.


No, you can't. If you're rich, you're not a Christian, you're lying to yourself and paying lip-service to Christ.

Jesus was pretty explicit about giving away your wealth. If you have wealth, you're placing your temporal comfort above Jesus' will - and that means you're no real Christian.

Do not falsely equate being rich with having worldly comforts.
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Postby Allbeama » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:08 pm

Dododecapod wrote:No. The Jesus of the Bible was an ascetic - one who seeks to live simply, without the distractions of goods and ownership, that he may perfect himself spiritually. When asked how to be a good folower of him, he says to do likewise, to give away your worldly goods and follow the ascetic path.
A good communist wants everyone to have equal access to everything. Jesus wanted to have nothing.

That is an interesting point. Sounds like he would have been friends with Lao Tzu or Buddha. Wait a minute...I think that's been said before somewhere...
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Postby Okijima Rulz » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:09 pm

Liberal, yes. Communist? No.
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Postby Sebally-Orwitskia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:13 pm

Tungookska wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.

you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?

Dear god this may be old, but, where the heck did it say Mary Magadalene was a prostitute?

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Postby Meryuma » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:13 pm

If he had an ideology, I bet it would be considered anarcho-pacifism, with collectivist elements.
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Postby Tyrandis » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:15 pm

jesus and the disciples were indeed leeches who preached a morality of death and suffering like every other mystic that came before him and since
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:15 pm

Okijima Rulz wrote:Liberal, yes. Communist? No.


Let us ask a different question then.

If Jesus was a US citizen, what would he vote ?
Certainly not republican, but I doubt democrat. So which fringe party ;) ?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:16 pm

Your misinterpreting the quote. He didn't hate them, he just meant they would sacrifice less to get into heaven because they had more. No hate their.

Also, I think Jesus was more of a left leaning centrist. But that's just me.

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Postby Wales64 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:20 pm

Sebally-Orwitskia wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.

you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?

Dear god this may be old, but, where the heck did it say Mary Magadalene was a prostitute?



He didn't just hang out with one prostitute. He hung out with many. But this was well intentioned, wouldn't you hang out with the people of worst situations rather than best if you were trying to give hope and change to the world?

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Postby Pancakes Wrath » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:24 pm

Sebally-Orwitskia wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.

you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?

Dear god this may be old, but, where the heck did it say Mary Magadalene was a prostitute?

It isn't anywhere in the Bible. IIRC a sixth-century pope claimed she was a prostitute for some reason.
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Postby The Adrian Empire » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:25 pm

No, Jesus was not a communist, he occupies a curious place, Jesus never condemns the businessmen, though he is angered over the selling of sacrifices on temple grounds one can assume this was less a showing of hatred towards business then a anger over the corruption of the Jewish High Priests.

Jesus believed in personal charity, not state instituted, but he is hardly advocating the destruction of trade in total, he never rails against profit, I do believe that somewhere he even lauds it, he never rejects property, though he believes one should limit what they own.

Jesus very well could have been an anarchist, but a communist, no.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:26 pm

Pancakes Wrath wrote:
Sebally-Orwitskia wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.

you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?

Dear god this may be old, but, where the heck did it say Mary Magadalene was a prostitute?

It isn't anywhere in the Bible. IIRC a sixth-century pope claimed she was a prostitute for some reason.

It was to make the female the weaker and more corrupt sex, so that it makes the church hold power over them. Simple Christian ways of medieval times.

But really, those would make up his communist buddies to commune(?) with.
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Postby Sebally-Orwitskia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:27 pm

Pancakes Wrath wrote:
Sebally-Orwitskia wrote:
Tungookska wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.

you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?

Dear god this may be old, but, where the heck did it say Mary Magadalene was a prostitute?

It isn't anywhere in the Bible. IIRC a sixth-century pope claimed she was a prostitute for some reason.


Yes, pope...whathisname, connected Mary Magdalene and The prostitute in the rabbi's house to show that even if you're considered scum by people you can be a whole new person and be alongside jesus.

But Mary Magdalene wasn't a prositute, the reason she was with Jesus was because she was exorcised of seven demons living in her. >.>

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:56 pm

Caninope wrote:
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Der Teutoniker wrote:Nope, he wasn't at all.

Advocating free-will charity is quite a bit different than"no-state" state enforced wealth redistribution.

And the notion that rich people are potentially less likely to enter the kingdom of God is not communist. It merely demonstrates the truth behind the corrupting allure of wealth, and the amassing of wealth.

One can be rich, and still a Christian (that is to say, a follower of Jesus).


No, one can be rich and call oneself a Christian. Not the same thing.

No, you can be rich and still be a Christian. It just becomes harder as the more wordly riches you have, the harder it is to give your soul to the Lord. That doesn't make them mutually exclusive.


No, you can't. If you're rich, you're not a Christian, you're lying to yourself and paying lip-service to Christ.

Jesus was pretty explicit about giving away your wealth. If you have wealth, you're placing your temporal comfort above Jesus' will - and that means you're no real Christian.

Do not falsely equate being rich with having worldly comforts.


Don't pretend that that would be a false equation.
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Postby Rolamec » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:16 am

Actually Jesus was a superstar.
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Postby Sanctus Angelus » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:02 am

Bendira wrote:lol at how the commies dont want to be associated with Jesus, even though they have the same message.

what?

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Postby Mikoyan-Guryevich » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:05 am

Natapoc wrote:yes. He gave everything away for free and insisted the rich give all they had if they wanted to follow him.


I give decent amounts of money to the Red Cross and the Fred Hollows Foundation. I also drive a BMW and refuse to give any amount of money to the homeless on the street. Does that make me a communist.
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Postby Neo Mittanni » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:09 am

Pandas and Heineken wrote:After watching some religious crap, it seems that Jesus hated the rich and loved the poor. To me, it seems that Jesus constantly stated that the rich had no power over the poor. Jesus even said himself:
"It's very hard for a rich man to get into Heaven. It's easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle."
This says to me that unless you're poor, you're going to Hell. Thoughts?

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Postby Rambhutan » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:13 am

More of a welfare scrounger, never got a job and leeched off the people around him.
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Postby Johz » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:17 am

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The Holy Bible wrote:It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.


The Bible clearly says, with God, all things are possible. The real problem is not wealth, but that men let wealth get between them and God.


I read this post and I really thought that we now had a poster on here called 'The Holy Bible'. It was a scary moment.
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Postby Johz » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:20 am

Rambhutan wrote:More of a welfare scrounger, never got a job and leeched off the people around him.


He did do the whole healing-the-sick-and-feeding-the-masses thing. And the saving-their-souls thing. So it wasn't really scrounging.
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Postby Sebally-Orwitskia » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:37 am

Rambhutan wrote:More of a welfare scrounger, never got a job and leeched off the people around him.


Jews had welfare at that time?

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Sebally-Orwitskia wrote:
Rambhutan wrote:More of a welfare scrounger, never got a job and leeched off the people around him.


Jews had welfare at that time?


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