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Was Jesus a Communist?

Postby Pandas and Heineken » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:16 am

After watching some religious crap, it seems that Jesus hated the rich and loved the poor. To me, it seems that Jesus constantly stated that the rich had no power over the poor. Jesus even said himself:
"It's very hard for a rich man to get into Heaven. It's easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle."
This says to me that unless you're poor, you're going to Hell. Thoughts?

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:17 am

I didn't think hating rich people implied communism. Nor do I think Jesus hated anyone.
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Postby Natapoc » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:19 am

yes. He gave everything away for free and insisted the rich give all they had if they wanted to follow him.
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Postby Pandas and Heineken » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:19 am

Ifreann wrote:I didn't think hating rich people implied communism. Nor do I think Jesus hated anyone.

Well, maybe hated isn't the right word. How 'bout he preferred the poor over the rich?
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Postby Pandas and Heineken » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:21 am

Natapoc wrote:yes. He gave everything away for free and insisted the rich give all they had if they wanted to follow him.

And if they didn't, they couldn't follow him.
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Postby Living Freedom Land » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:22 am

The Holy Bible wrote:It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.


The Bible clearly says, with God, all things are possible. The real problem is not wealth, but that men let wealth get between them and God.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:23 am

I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.
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Postby Dododecapod » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:28 am

No. The Jesus of the Bible was an ascetic - one who seeks to live simply, without the distractions of goods and ownership, that he may perfect himself spiritually. When asked how to be a good folower of him, he says to do likewise, to give away your worldly goods and follow the ascetic path.
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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:29 am

Apparently there's some get-out clause through 'render unto Caesar' that people are able to exploit by which they can becomes as rich as they like.. as well as choose tax-free offshore Caesar Islands in the Caribbean to render unto..

..fantastic stuff,
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Postby Glorious Homeland » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:31 am

Living Freedom Land wrote:
The Holy Bible wrote:It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.


The Bible clearly says, with God, all things are possible. The real problem is not wealth, but that men let wealth get between them and God.

Funny how the rich Americans always say that. But then America is a country that was founded by heretics. Socialism in the UK took a large amount of support from the likes of the Methodist church, which supported socialism on theological grounds.

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Postby Aelosia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:31 am

Dododecapod wrote:No. The Jesus of the Bible was an ascetic - one who seeks to live simply, without the distractions of goods and ownership, that he may perfect himself spiritually. When asked how to be a good folower of him, he says to do likewise, to give away your worldly goods and follow the ascetic path.
A good communist wants everyone to have equal access to everything. Jesus wanted to have nothing.


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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:31 am

Dododecapod wrote:No. The Jesus of the Bible was an ascetic - one who seeks to live simply, without the distractions of goods and ownership, that he may perfect himself spiritually. When asked how to be a good folower of him, he says to do likewise, to give away your worldly goods and follow the ascetic path.
A good communist wants everyone to have equal access to everything. Jesus wanted to have nothing.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:33 am

Barringtonia wrote:Apparently there's some get-out clause through 'render unto Caesar' that people are able to exploit by which they can becomes as rich as they like.. as well as choose tax-free offshore Caesar Islands in the Caribbean to render unto..

..fantastic stuff,

That doesn't get you out of the possibility of private charity.
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Postby Living Freedom Land » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:33 am

Glorious Homeland wrote:
Living Freedom Land wrote:
The Holy Bible wrote:It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.


The Bible clearly says, with God, all things are possible. The real problem is not wealth, but that men let wealth get between them and God.

Funny how the rich Americans always say that. But then America is a country that was founded by heretics. Socialism in the UK took a large amount of support from the likes of the Methodist church, which supported socialism on theological grounds.

America was not founded by heretics. Rather, Americans were fleeing heretical oppression.
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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:35 am

Living Freedom Land wrote:
Glorious Homeland wrote:
Living Freedom Land wrote:
The Holy Bible wrote:It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.


The Bible clearly says, with God, all things are possible. The real problem is not wealth, but that men let wealth get between them and God.

Funny how the rich Americans always say that. But then America is a country that was founded by heretics. Socialism in the UK took a large amount of support from the likes of the Methodist church, which supported socialism on theological grounds.

America was founded not founded by heretics. Rather, Americans were fleeing heretical oppression.

And they proceeded to persecute everyone who didn't agree with their personal beliefs, your point?
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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:35 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:Apparently there's some get-out clause through 'render unto Caesar' that people are able to exploit by which they can becomes as rich as they like.. as well as choose tax-free offshore Caesar Islands in the Caribbean to render unto..

..fantastic stuff,

That doesn't get you out of the possibility of private charity.


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Postby Living Freedom Land » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:38 am

Wamitoria wrote:
Living Freedom Land wrote:
Glorious Homeland wrote:
Living Freedom Land wrote:
The Holy Bible wrote:It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.


The Bible clearly says, with God, all things are possible. The real problem is not wealth, but that men let wealth get between them and God.

Funny how the rich Americans always say that. But then America is a country that was founded by heretics. Socialism in the UK took a large amount of support from the likes of the Methodist church, which supported socialism on theological grounds.

America was founded not founded by heretics. Rather, Americans were fleeing heretical oppression.

And they proceeded to persecute everyone who didn't agree with their personal beliefs, your point?

I fail to see how the nation that pioneered freedom of religion is a nation rife with persecution. Sure, some people like the Puritans in Massachusetts originally restricted other religions, but the Pennsylvanians were pacifist Quakers that wanted to harm nobody. By the time a real American identity was established, freedom of religion was an idea gaining ground and was adopted in the First Amendment of the Constitution.

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Postby Pythria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:40 am

No. He didn't think people should be forced by a government to give to the poor- it's the act of charity that matters. Rich people can get into heaven if they are generous to the poor.

EDIT: I doubt poor people have a ticket to heaven, either.
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Postby Tungookska » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:40 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.

you mean like the 12 guys and the prostitute that he hung out with?

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:42 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm not convinced that an individual can be a communist. Oh, an individual might tout the benefits of communism both real and imagined, but to actually practice communism, he really needs some people to practice communism with.

A commune, as it were.
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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:43 am

Living Freedom Land wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:
Living Freedom Land wrote:
Glorious Homeland wrote:
Living Freedom Land wrote:
The Holy Bible wrote:It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.


The Bible clearly says, with God, all things are possible. The real problem is not wealth, but that men let wealth get between them and God.

Funny how the rich Americans always say that. But then America is a country that was founded by heretics. Socialism in the UK took a large amount of support from the likes of the Methodist church, which supported socialism on theological grounds.

America was founded not founded by heretics. Rather, Americans were fleeing heretical oppression.

And they proceeded to persecute everyone who didn't agree with their personal beliefs, your point?

I fail to see how the nation that pioneered freedom of religion is a nation rife with persecution. Sure, some people like the Puritans in Massachusetts originally restricted other religions, but the Pennsylvanians were pacifist Quakers that wanted to harm nobody. By the time a real American identity was established, freedom of religion was an idea gaining ground and was adopted in the First Amendment of the Constitution.

I phrased that wrong, our founders persecuted anyone who didn't look like them.
Black slaves, Native Americans to name a few. Sure, the slaves were eventually freed, but the Native Americans were all but exterminated. But, I'm getting off-topic...
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Postby Bamabam » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:44 am

I think Jesus wants you to give out of your own heart not have a government steal it from you.He meant that you should stop caring after material things so much,because after you die it doesnt matter,so you should give away to those who need it more.Communism also is a secular government trying to build a utopia without God,which God warns against.God also many times in the bible talks laziness and warns against it,and says you should earn based off your work.Which is against marxism thought that all deserve equal pay no matter the work done.So i could say Jesus was a conservative with a very ,very warm giving heart.
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Postby Living Freedom Land » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:47 am

Wamitoria wrote:I phrased that wrong, our founders persecuted anyone who didn't look like them.
Black slaves, Native Americans to name a few. Sure, the slaves were eventually freed, but the Native Americans were all but exterminated. But, I'm getting off-topic...

America isn't a perfect nation, by no means. But to counter that, George Washington did release his slaves at the time of his death, and he set a totally unfollowed precedent of peace with the tribal nations. Benjamin Franklin and Samuel Adams both though slavery was abhorrent.

But yeah, back on topic...

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Postby Chrobalta » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:49 am

Probably. During the early middle ages, much of the Christians in Europe were actually barred from making profits.
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