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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Belschaft » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:43 am

Ifreann wrote:Once you get a few millions miles past Pluto there's actually a huge fence. The universe doesn't like immigrants, so we're stuck here.

True, but like the yanks they only built it a quarter of the way round.
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Call to power » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:43 am

Neo Art wrote:As far as anyone knows there is no way to create a propoltion engine that will take us faster than light. From what I understand, theories regarding FTL travel basically break down into two fields:

1) the "star trek" method. Use some sort of engine to essentially "warp" space, perhaps heavily focused gravity generators. This will bend space in such a way so that the distance we need to travel will be greatly reduced.

2) the "stargate" method. Essentially create a way to engineer stable, macro wormholes to allow transport between them, making galactic transportation a matter of stepping through a doorway.


why is it everything sciency about the future could well end up tearing a peep hole in the universe where we happen to be? lets go back to firing cannons at the moon!
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Galloism » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:47 am

Call to power wrote:why is it everything sciency about the future could well end up tearing a peep hole in the universe where we happen to be? lets go back to firing cannons at the moon!


It would be kind of funny if we ripped a hole in space and destroyed the earth because we were trying to leave it. You know, it would be funny in an ironic way. Sadly, no one would be around to appreciate it. :(
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Saint Clair Island » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:49 am

Galloism wrote:
Saint Clair Island wrote:I dunno, I like the idea of an Infinite Improbability Drive. Things are more likely to happen based on how improbable they are, and there's little more improbable than FTL travel.


"Dancing with the stars" could put out a good episode.

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Saint Clair Island » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:51 am

Galloism wrote:
Call to power wrote:why is it everything sciency about the future could well end up tearing a peep hole in the universe where we happen to be? lets go back to firing cannons at the moon!


It would be kind of funny if we ripped a hole in space and destroyed the earth because we were trying to leave it. You know, it would be funny in an ironic way. Sadly, no one would be around to appreciate it. :(

I'm sure the aliens who've been monitoring our feeble attempts at interstellar travel would laugh their asses (or equivalent body part) off. Except for one or two humorless souls who would watch the devastation and say "We pegged these guys for diplomatic contact in two hundred years?!"
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Call to power » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:51 am

Galloism wrote:
Call to power wrote:why is it everything sciency about the future could well end up tearing a peep hole in the universe where we happen to be? lets go back to firing cannons at the moon!


It would be kind of funny if we ripped a hole in space and destroyed the earth because we were trying to leave it. You know, it would be funny in an ironic way. Sadly, no one would be around to appreciate it. :(


well at least it would be fast theres nothing worse than waiting 5 minuets for the nukes to melt you and your totally stuck in an elevator with a stranger

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby New Central Europe » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:53 am

Belschaft wrote:Hell no. To leave the solar system we would need FTL travell wich is physically impossible. Maybe we can colonize mars and maybe a couple of moons orbiting Sauturn or Jupiter, but theres no way we're leaving the solar system.

Go at 0.5c and you'll reach Alpha Centari in about 8.4 years.

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Belschaft » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:02 pm

New Central Europe wrote:
Belschaft wrote:Hell no. To leave the solar system we would need FTL travell wich is physically impossible. Maybe we can colonize mars and maybe a couple of moons orbiting Sauturn or Jupiter, but theres no way we're leaving the solar system.

Go at 0.5c and you'll reach Alpha Centari in about 8.4 years.

Get me to 0.5c then.
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:04 pm

Belschaft wrote:
New Central Europe wrote:
Belschaft wrote:Hell no. To leave the solar system we would need FTL travell wich is physically impossible. Maybe we can colonize mars and maybe a couple of moons orbiting Sauturn or Jupiter, but theres no way we're leaving the solar system.

Go at 0.5c and you'll reach Alpha Centari in about 8.4 years.

Get me to 0.5c then.

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Call to power » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:05 pm

New Central Europe wrote:
Belschaft wrote:Hell no. To leave the solar system we would need FTL travell wich is physically impossible. Maybe we can colonize mars and maybe a couple of moons orbiting Sauturn or Jupiter, but theres no way we're leaving the solar system.

Go at 0.5c and you'll reach Alpha Centari in about 8.4 years.


define reach if you mean as a loose collection of charred radioactive dust then yes I'm sure you could but the holiday snaps in the speedos would never come out as intended
The Parkus Empire wrote:Theoretically, why would anyone put anytime into anything but tobacco, intoxicants and sex?

Vareiln wrote:My god, CtP is right...
Not that you haven't been right before, but... Aw, hell, you get what I meant.

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Saint Clair Island » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:06 pm

Call to power wrote:
New Central Europe wrote:
Belschaft wrote:Hell no. To leave the solar system we would need FTL travell wich is physically impossible. Maybe we can colonize mars and maybe a couple of moons orbiting Sauturn or Jupiter, but theres no way we're leaving the solar system.

Go at 0.5c and you'll reach Alpha Centari in about 8.4 years.


define reach if you mean as a loose collection of charred radioactive dust then yes I'm sure you could but the holiday snaps in the speedos would never come out as intended

Anyway, I'm not sure what you would do on Alpha Centauri. It's got nothing on Vegas as a vacation destination.
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby New Central Europe » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:12 pm

Belschaft wrote:
New Central Europe wrote:
Belschaft wrote:Hell no. To leave the solar system we would need FTL travell wich is physically impossible. Maybe we can colonize mars and maybe a couple of moons orbiting Sauturn or Jupiter, but theres no way we're leaving the solar system.

Go at 0.5c and you'll reach Alpha Centari in about 8.4 years.

Get me to 0.5c then.

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Call to power » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:13 pm

Saint Clair Island wrote:Anyway, I'm not sure what you would do on Alpha Centauri. It's got nothing on Vegas as a vacation destination.


gets you out the house I guess
The Parkus Empire wrote:Theoretically, why would anyone put anytime into anything but tobacco, intoxicants and sex?

Vareiln wrote:My god, CtP is right...
Not that you haven't been right before, but... Aw, hell, you get what I meant.

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Galloism » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:15 pm

Saint Clair Island wrote:
Galloism wrote:
Call to power wrote:why is it everything sciency about the future could well end up tearing a peep hole in the universe where we happen to be? lets go back to firing cannons at the moon!


It would be kind of funny if we ripped a hole in space and destroyed the earth because we were trying to leave it. You know, it would be funny in an ironic way. Sadly, no one would be around to appreciate it. :(

I'm sure the aliens who've been monitoring our feeble attempts at interstellar travel would laugh their asses (or equivalent body part) off. Except for one or two humorless souls who would watch the devastation and say "We pegged these guys for diplomatic contact in two hundred years?!"


Of course, the ones in charge of observation and watching the project would undoubtedly start placing bets just before the big day to see if mankind was going to succeed or destroy itself. "Ork, you lose. Earth was sucked into an alternate dimension." "Dammit. Here's the 20 cajlins."
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Call to power » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:21 pm

New Central Europe wrote:Step 2.5. Help with giant lasers once sunlight gets to weak
Step 3. When past bow shock engage fusion rockets


we totally have the technology to do this and by just ignoring radiation (I like how you add getting near to the giant nuclear explosion), man chasing comets and highspeed dust it totally makes the problems go away
The Parkus Empire wrote:Theoretically, why would anyone put anytime into anything but tobacco, intoxicants and sex?

Vareiln wrote:My god, CtP is right...
Not that you haven't been right before, but... Aw, hell, you get what I meant.

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:32 pm

Saint Clair Island wrote:
Neo Art wrote:As far as anyone knows there is no way to create a propoltion engine that will take us faster than light. From what I understand, theories regarding FTL travel basically break down into two fields:

1) the "star trek" method. Use some sort of engine to essentially "warp" space, perhaps heavily focused gravity generators. This will bend space in such a way so that the distance we need to travel will be greatly reduced.

2) the "stargate" method. Essentially create a way to engineer stable, macro wormholes to allow transport between them, making galactic transportation a matter of stepping through a doorway.


I dunno, I like the idea of an Infinite Improbability Drive. Things are more likely to happen based on how improbable they are, and there's little more improbable than FTL travel.


Quantum teleportation remarkably similar to the idea of the probability drive is theoretically possible.
Of course, convincing all the atoms of the ship to be around the next star at once may be slightly more tricky than the other two ideas.
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby New Central Europe » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:19 pm

Call to power wrote:
New Central Europe wrote:Step 2.5. Help with giant lasers once sunlight gets to weak
Step 3. When past bow shock engage fusion rockets


we totally have the technology to do this and by just ignoring radiation (I like how you add getting near to the giant nuclear explosion)
You can guard aganist that
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby The Tofu Islands » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:23 pm

The spoiler tags were annoying...

New Central Europe wrote:What do you think?

Too vague a question.

New Central Europe wrote:Is it possible?

Interstellar? Yes, definitely. Very, very, very impractical, however.
Intergalactic? In some cases, maybe. However much more impractical than interstellar travel.

The problem mainly involves massive distances and timespans.

New Central Europe wrote:Can we do it?

In theory, yes. In practice, it would take far too long. And the engineering required to make a craft fail-safe for that long a period might be beyond our reach.

New Central Europe wrote:Can we do it now

Perhaps, but it's not worth it.

New Central Europe wrote:The fate of the human race (maybe) in your hands

I doubt it.
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby G3N13 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:41 pm

New Central Europe wrote:What do you think? Is it possible? Can we do it? Can we do it now

Possible? Yes.

Can we do it? Yes.

Can we do it now? Yes.


If we define 'now' as century for interstellar travel or millions of years for intergalactic travel.

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ie. 'Now' meaning the fastest possible schedule if we 'get right on it'.
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Blasphemulopia » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:58 pm

I think one has to think outside the box when it comes to interstellar and intergalactic travel. Conventional means of travel might be illogical due to the extreme distance and time requirements. The breakthrough would more likely involve manipulating space and time.

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby JarVik » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:32 pm

For interstellar travel the best we've currently got would be one of the varieties of ion drive which supposedly can reach speeds that are a modest fraction of light speed. It would likely take decades to get to Alpha Centari, the nearest star so its sorta theoretically possible to send a highly automated probe but not people.

I love space exploration, so I hope we improve on the drive mechanisim and send a flottila of probes to the nearest stars before 2050. Sure its a long term project but I think as a society we need to think more long-term anyways.

For human exploration and colonization I don't think we know enough yet but I hope this becomes a reality sometime in the future. I think one of the biggest barriers to human coloniation of farway worlds will finding ones with the right air presure as well as temperature and O2 content of an alien atmospere.
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Pope Joan » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:36 pm

As the Oyarsa of Malacandra (Mars) says to the space travellers who want to colonize his planet;

"And what will you do when all the habitable planets are used up, hm?"

The colonists seriously doubt that will ever happen.

"And when you have colonized the galaxy, will your species bear even the slightest resemblance to the one you know now?"

They neither know nor care.

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:38 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Belschaft wrote:
New Central Europe wrote:Go at 0.5c and you'll reach Alpha Centari in about 8.4 years.

Get me to 0.5c then.

*commissions LG to make a big slingshot*


*begins construction* Inertia might be a bitch, but what the hell. :p
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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Californian Mod Haters » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:20 pm

Belschaft wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Once you get a few millions miles past Pluto there's actually a huge fence. The universe doesn't like immigrants, so we're stuck here.

True, but like the yanks they only built it a quarter of the way round.

Maybe, we haven't heard from the pionieer probes in a long time...

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Re: Interstellar and Intergalactic Space Travel

Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:24 pm

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