Arab MK's parl'y privileges revoked over Gaza flotilla

[Gauntleted Fist]

Caelapes and I were discussing the motivations of the people supposedly assisting Zubai in this.

I think they could find easier ways of getting WMD's then a mass-publicized flotilla.

Maybe the flotilla was a distraction and Zubai was in on it to distract the honorable Israeli military who can do no wrong with her evil scheming and captivating presence?

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Maybe the flotilla was a distraction and Zubai was in on it to distract the honorable Israeli military who can do no wrong with her evil scheming and captivating presence?

Honourable Israeli military?

[Gauntleted Fist]

Maybe the flotilla was a distraction and Zubai was in on it to distract the honorable Israeli military who can do no wrong with her evil scheming and captivating presence?

Honourable Israeli military?

Okay, well, they don't give a fig for honor and are only in it to shoot some Palestinians which is just their patriotic duty. Whatever. Make it up as you go along.

[Caelapes]

Did I deny that? I just said her actions are not terrorist. Never were, never will. And the laws refer to those imposed by Israel and Egypt to stop supplies from going to HAMAS(and stupidly killing lots of Arabs which in turn stimulated "Jihad").

No you didn't, and I know you did. I'm pointing out that "terrorist" is what she was called by her fellow MKs when she attempted to speak her mind in the Knesset. You and I agree that it's ridiculous to call her a terrorist because she obviously wasn't and isn't one, but the point is that her fellow MKs called her a terrorist and demanded she be searched for knives and chainsaws on the Knesset floor.

As for the issue of the law, a blockade on the entirety of Gaza does not just affect Hamas. It affects the entire population of the Gaza Strip, including those who support Fatah or any other party that is not Hamas. The blockade is illegal under international law and has devastating effects on the entire population of Gaza, according to the UN, ICRC, Amnesty International, B'Tselem, PCHR...

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/ ... penElement
http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.ns ... enDocument
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-upda ... 2010-06-01
http://www.btselem.org/english/Gaza_Strip/Siege.asp
http://www.pchrgaza.org/facts/factsheet-closure.pdf

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Okay, well, they don't give a fig for honor and are only in it to shoot some Palestinians which is just their patriotic duty. Whatever. Make it up as you go along.

That's not true, I'm sure some of them join for some sense of proudness when they shoot Palestinians. They get to get back at everyone and save the world while they do it. I don't know why those Palestinians don't just leave. They have the whole Middle East. The Jews only have Israel.

[Caelapes]

Okay, well, they don't give a fig for honor and are only in it to shoot some Palestinians which is just their patriotic duty. Whatever. Make it up as you go along.

That's not true, I'm sure some of them join for some sense of proudness when they shoot Palestinians. They get to get back at everyone and save the world while they do it. I don't know why those Palestinians don't just leave. They have the whole Middle East. The Jews only have Israel.

The Palestinians don't have to leave. Palestine is their land, which has been confirmed by the international community time and time again. Saudi Arabia is not Palestine. Lebanon is not Palestine. Egypt is not Palestine. Palestine is Palestine.

Plus let's not make this "THE JEWS have Israel". Israelis, Arab and Jewish, have Israel. There are plenty of Jewish people who disagree with Israeli policies, and even some who believe that its existence is heresy.

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The Palestinians don't have to leave. Palestine is their land, which has been confirmed by the international community time and time again. Saudi Arabia is not Palestine. Lebanon is not Palestine. Egypt is not Palestine. Palestine is Palestine.

Nonsense! Yahweh gave the whole fucking area to the chosen people, way back when when they had just started cutting penises, and instructed them to burn all the cities of the heathen kings (but not the cities at the base) and the like. I can give the verse if you need me to.

[Caelapes]

The Palestinians don't have to leave. Palestine is their land, which has been confirmed by the international community time and time again. Saudi Arabia is not Palestine. Lebanon is not Palestine. Egypt is not Palestine. Palestine is Palestine.

Nonsense! Yahweh gave the whole fucking area to the chosen people, way back when when they had just started cutting penises, and instructed them to burn all the cities of things and the like. I can give the verse if you need me to.

This isn't the thread for arguing about Judaism and the Jewish people as the "chosen people".

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Okay, well, they don't give a fig for honor and are only in it to shoot some Palestinians which is just their patriotic duty. Whatever. Make it up as you go along.

That's not true, I'm sure some of them join for some sense of proudness when they shoot Palestinians. They get to get back at everyone and save the world while they do it. I don't know why those Palestinians don't just leave. They have the whole Middle East. The Jews only have Israel.

The Palestinians don't have to leave. Palestine is their land, which has been confirmed by the international community time and time again. Saudi Arabia is not Palestine. Lebanon is not Palestine. Egypt is not Palestine. Palestine is Palestine.

Plus let's not make this "THE JEWS have Israel". Israelis, Arab and Jewish, have Israel. There are plenty of Jewish people who disagree with Israeli policies, and even some who believe that its existence is heresy.

Well, for starters, the very effecient administration of the arabs will make the promised Land a prosperous country! As compared to the current country the size of New Jersey that irritates everyone, let's have 1 more country in the Arab League! Or at least 1/2.

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This isn't the thread for arguing about Judaism and the Jewish people as the "chosen people".

You can't expect me to just sit here while you slander the good name of the temple.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

The Palestinians don't have to leave. Palestine is their land, which has been confirmed by the international community time and time again. Saudi Arabia is not Palestine. Lebanon is not Palestine. Egypt is not Palestine. Palestine is Palestine.

Nonsense! Yahweh gave the whole fucking area to the chosen people, way back when when they had just started cutting penises, and instructed them to burn all the cities of things and the like. I can give the verse if you need me to.

This isn't the thread for arguing about Judaism and the Jewish people as the "chosen people".

No, but seems like the Arabs don't want to listen to their own holy book.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/israel_land_egypt.html

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No, but seems like the Arabs don't want to listen to their own holy book.

Damned rag heads should just bend over like they were meant to.

[Caelapes]

No, but seems like the Arabs don't want to listen to their own holy book.

Muslims. There are Arab Christians and Arab Jews. And proponents of every religion will pick and choose what they want to make the arguments they want to make. Christians do it, Muslims do it, I'm sure Jews do it. But again, this isn't the place.

[Desyat]

No, but seems like the Arabs don't want to listen to their own holy book.

Muslims. There are Arab Christians and Arab Jews. And proponents of every religion will pick and choose what they want to make the arguments they want to make. Christians do it, Muslims do it, I'm sure Jews do it. But again, this isn't the place.

No such thing as Arab Jews. If you're talking about the Mizrahim - they don't consider themselves Arabs, and the Arabs don't consider Arabs. In fact, I think you just insulted both the Arabs and the Jews.

[Caelapes]

No such thing as Arab Jews. If you're talking about the Mizrahim - they don't consider themselves Arabs, and the Arabs don't consider Arabs. In fact, I think you just insulted both the Arabs and the Jews.

There are actually people who self-identify as Arab Jews. If Jewish people or Arabs want to be offended by that, let them, but I didn't come up with the term or apply it to anyone. But if this is the biggest issue you can find with what I've posted then I suppose I've done a pretty good job.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Every action has it's consequences, she knew that.

How dare she represent the interests of her constituency by participating in a humanitarian aid flotilla?

The flotilla was certainly not "humanitarian aid". I thought everyone knew that by now?

That being said, would launching a rocket from a school yard be representing the interests of her constituency as well?

No of course not.
If she really represented the interest of her constituency, she would be supporting the invasion of Israeli-Arab areas, tearing down the housing for Arabs, and building illegal housing for Jews guarded by Israeli military. Oh wait, that's the Jewish representatives. Damnit, confused again.

[Cosmopoles]

Let me ask you this, what would happen to a US Congressman who partook in some sort of propaganda video made by the Taliban?

How about a Spanish parliamentarian who did the same for ETA?

Are you seriously comparing working with violent terrorist groups to working with a humanitarian aid organisation?

[Desyat]

While the flotilla wasn't a terrorist ship, it was anti-Israeli - imagine an American congressman stating that he believes America should not have gotten it's independence and should still be a British colony. He'd have to face consequences as well.

As for the insults - have you ever seen a Knesset debate? The MKs call each other every insult ever invented and they really like doing the whole dramatic marching out of the room thing, it's nothing personal Zuabi, tomorrow somebody will Michaeli a fascist and it'll be this all over again.

[Serrland]

No, but seems like the Arabs don't want to listen to their own holy book.

Muslims. There are Arab Christians and Arab Jews. And proponents of every religion will pick and choose what they want to make the arguments they want to make. Christians do it, Muslims do it, I'm sure Jews do it. But again, this isn't the place.

No such thing as Arab Jews. If you're talking about the Mizrahim - they don't consider themselves Arabs, and the Arabs don't consider Arabs. In fact, I think you just insulted both the Arabs and the Jews.

Thank you. The Arab=Muslim thing is annoyingly common. Lebanon, Egypt, Palestine, and even Iraq all have Christian minorities, and sizeable ones at that.

[Cosmopoles]

While the flotilla wasn't a terrorist ship, it was anti-Israeli - imagine an American congressman stating that he believes America should not have gotten it's independence and should still be a British colony. He'd have to face consequences as well.

Opposing the blockade is not anti-Israeli, it is anti-Israeli government policy. There's a huge distinction right there. In a functioning democracy, citizens who protest the action of their government without breaking the law shouldn't find themselves having their rights infringed as if they were criminals.

[Caelapes]

While the flotilla wasn't a terrorist ship, it was anti-Israeli - imagine an American congressman stating that he believes America should not have gotten it's independence and should still be a British colony. He'd have to face consequences as well.

At most he would be censured, he would not have his privileges stripped. And your analogy is wrong. This would be akin to an American Congressman stating that we were wrong to kill the Native population and force them into tiny reservations away from their homelands. Plus, as someone said, this is not anti-Israeli, this is anti-Israeli policy. Haneen Zoabi is an Israeli.

As for the insults - have you ever seen a Knesset debate? The MKs call each other every insult ever invented and they really like doing the whole dramatic marching out of the room thing, it's nothing personal Zuabi, tomorrow somebody will Michaeli a fascist and it'll be this all over again.

I have never seen a video of the Knesset in which a sizeable number of the body is shouting down the MK who has the floor, calling him or her a "terrorist" and "traitor" while shouting that she should be searched for knives or chainsaws because she is a terrorist. It was personal and acting like it's business as normal is ridiculous. Of course it gets heated in the Knesset, but this specific instance was beyond the pale.