Arab MK's parl'y privileges revoked over Gaza flotilla

[Caelapes]

Isn't this post flaimbaiting?

Yes. Ignore it. The issue is over. This thread is about Zoabi, not The Bleeding Roses.

The reason those situations are "made-up fantasies" is because no sane parliamentarian would perform those actions. However, Ms. Zoabi was just insane enough to perform an equivilant act. You've yet to answer my question on what would happen if one of those "made up fantasies" were to occur in any other democracy. They'd deal with it as Israel has. Heck, Israel is lenient here for not pressing charges and only removing some MK privileges. She still has her seat and can vote. It would be like removing the rights of US Congressmen to fly wherever the hell they want and bill the taxpayers for it. Not really a strict punishment. It's not like she was impeached or anything.

What crime did Ms. Zoabi commit? The Gaza blockade is internationally recognized as illegal. The MV Mavi Marmara was in international waters heading west when it was intercepted and boarded by the Israeli Navy. Do they not have a right to self-defense?

[NERVUN]

Just a general "Mods are Watching You" post to turn down the heat a few notches...

My school's pool just got filled, I'd hate to have to dunk posters in there for playing with fire.

In other words, ignore any posts by The Bleeding Roses, or any nation with the same avatar. A first class flamebaiter if I ever saw one.

Ya know, when a Mod asks you to calm things down, that does not mean toss gas on to the sparks to see what happens.

IF you have an actual post for flamebaiting, you can report it in Moderation where it will be looked at. I will note that Parth is right in that continued "TOLL! FLAMER! etc." posts can and will be considered flamebaiting.

I would also like to remind people that disagreemet, even strong disagreement, does not automatically constitute flaming or trolling.

In other words, post, not poster. If you see it, report it; not respond in kind.

[Blouman Empire]

What crime did Ms. Zoabi commit?

She isn't a Zionist. The biggest crime anyone can commit.

[Aris People]

Isn't this post flaimbaiting?

Yes. Ignore it. The issue is over. This thread is about Zoabi, not The Bleeding Roses.

The reason those situations are "made-up fantasies" is because no sane parliamentarian would perform those actions. However, Ms. Zoabi was just insane enough to perform an equivilant act. You've yet to answer my question on what would happen if one of those "made up fantasies" were to occur in any other democracy. They'd deal with it as Israel has. Heck, Israel is lenient here for not pressing charges and only removing some MK privileges. She still has her seat and can vote. It would be like removing the rights of US Congressmen to fly wherever the hell they want and bill the taxpayers for it. Not really a strict punishment. It's not like she was impeached or anything.

What crime did Ms. Zoabi commit? The Gaza blockade is internationally recognized as illegal. The MV Mavi Marmara was in international waters heading west when it was intercepted and boarded by the Israeli Navy. Do they not have a right to self-defense?

I thought by this point it was cleared up that the blockade is in fact legal. Whether or not you want to recognize it as such makes no difference. Israel had every right to defend there blockade there, and when you attack a soldier you cant expect not to get shot at.

[Caelapes]

I thought by this point it was cleared up that the blockade is in fact legal. Whether or not you want to recognize it as such makes no difference. Israel had every right to defend there blockade there, and when you attack a soldier you cant expect not to get shot at.

No. Whether or not you choose to recognize the blockade as illegal makes no difference, but it is illegal. Furthermore, this doesn't address the issue that it is illegal to board a ship in international waters, where the MV Mavi Marmara was.

Israeli acts that deprive Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of their means of subsistence, employment, housing and water, that deny their freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their rights to access a court of law and an effective remedy, could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, has been committed.

The policy of Gaza is counter-productive and what [Israel] should be doing is allow material in to rebuild homes and sanitation and power and water systems and allow business to flourish. Nor do we in fact do damage to the position of Hamas by harming people in Gaza. People are harmed when the quality of service is poor and people cannot work.

In his capacity as a United Nations investigator, Mr. Falk issued a statement this month describing Israel’s embargo on Gaza, which is controlled by Hamas, as a crime against humanity, while making only cursory reference to Hamas’s rocket attacks against Israeli civilian centers.

You can argue that the blockade is legal all you want. You argue against the factual record.

When you attack a soldier you can expect to be shot, sure, but when you rappel onto a ship with the explicit, stated intent of taking control of it after firing upon it, you can expect to get your ass beat.

[Aris People]

I thought by this point it was cleared up that the blockade is in fact legal. Whether or not you want to recognize it as such makes no difference. Israel had every right to defend there blockade there, and when you attack a soldier you cant expect not to get shot at.

No. Whether or not you choose to recognize the blockade as illegal makes no difference, but it is illegal.

Israeli acts that deprive Palestinians in the Gaza Strip of their means of subsistence, employment, housing and water, that deny their freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their rights to access a court of law and an effective remedy, could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, has been committed.

The policy of Gaza is counter-productive and what [Israel] should be doing is allow material in to rebuild homes and sanitation and power and water systems and allow business to flourish. Nor do we in fact do damage to the position of Hamas by harming people in Gaza. People are harmed when the quality of service is poor and people cannot work.

In his capacity as a United Nations investigator, Mr. Falk issued a statement this month describing Israel’s embargo on Gaza, which is controlled by Hamas, as a crime against humanity, while making only cursory reference to Hamas’s rocket attacks against Israeli civilian centers.

You can argue that the blockade is legal all you want. You argue against the factual record.

When you attack a soldier you can expect to be shot, sure, but when you rappel onto a ship with the explicit, stated intent of taking control of it after firing upon it, you can expect to get your ass beat.

As much as the UN hates Israel, the US vetoed the resolution to make the blockade illegal. http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2010/ ... legal.html

[Caelapes]

Haha. The UN hates Israel, of course. And so do the 164 nations that annually vote for the "Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine" when it comes up in the General Assembly.

[Aris People]

Haha. The UN hates Israel, of course. And so do the 164 nations that annually vote for the "Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine" when it comes up in the General Assembly.

I'm going to assume we can agree on the fact that the Israeli blockade is legal, since you didn't respond to it. And I don't want to pursue this topic much farther, but so far, the UN has passed more resolutions against Israeli than any other country. I'm not going to say that whats happening to the Palestinians is good, but nobody will say its better than whats going on in Darfur or Rwanda, and the UN is ignoring that issue. It also ignores Tibet and Chechnya(I probably spelled that wrong) but it passes revolution after revolution against Israel.

[Caelapes]

Haha. The UN hates Israel, of course. And so do the 164 nations that annually vote for the "Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine" when it comes up in the General Assembly.

I'm going to assume we can agree on the fact that the Israeli blockade is legal, since you didn't respond to it. And I don't want to pursue this topic much farther, but so far, the UN has passed more resolutions against Israeli than any other country. I'm not going to say that whats happening to the Palestinians is good, but nobody will say its better than whats going on in Darfur or Rwanda, and the UN is ignoring that issue. It also ignores Tibet and Chechnya(I probably spelled that wrong) but it passes revolution after revolution against Israel.

We actually don't agree, and I was finding resource to prove its internationally-agreed illegality. Beyond the UN opinion, which you ignore out of hand because it comes from the UN, the ICRC and Amnesty Int'l call the blockade illegal.

The International Committee of the Red Cross said Monday that Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip violated the Geneva Conventions and called for lifting it.

Israel is entitled to impose restrictions on military material for security reasons, but the scope of the closing is disproportionate, covering items of basic necessity, the Red Cross said.

Mass unemployment, extreme poverty and food price rises caused by shortages have left four in five Gazans dependent on humanitarian aid. As a form of collective punishment, Israel’s continuing blockade of Gaza is a flagrant violation of international law.

This thread is not about Tibet. It is not about Chechnya. It is about Haneen Zoabi and how Israel strips the parliamentary privileges of those MKs who disagree with Zionism.

[Risottia]

Another privilege to be rescinded is carrying a diplomatic passport, which according to the Knesset's legal adviser, is a privilege that does not grant diplomatic immunity so revoking it would not make it more difficult for Zuabi to fulfill her duties.

The Knesset legal adviser makes me perplexed... unless he refers to immunity within Israel. But I'd assume a diplomatic passport grants exactly diplomatic immunity (in foreign countries), that's why it's called a diplomatic passport.

Btw: MPs of Likud and Israel Beitenu are ultranationalistic jerks and vulgar rabble-rousers SHOCKER!... colour me unsurprised.

Anyway, the Knesset stripped one of its members of its privileges because he was on a ship, flying the flag of an allied country, in international waters, while carrying a diplomatic passport granted by the Knesset itself?
Rule of law is dead in Israel.

[North Suran]

That being said, would launching a rocket from a school yard be representing the interests of her constituency as well?

I swear, everytime you make a post, your close-minded ignorance seeps out of my monitor like some oily, black tar.

[Gauntleted Fist]

arming the enemy with weapons of mass destruction

Aw, c'mon, we've already had this fucking "WMD in Iraq" thing. Now we're gonna have "WMD on Aid Flotillas"?

Fuck this, where's the proof?

[Nice blonde gets an]

Fuck this, where's the proof?

They're hippies.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Fuck this, where's the proof?

They're hippies.

Y'know, being made eleven minutes ago and posting in this topic with that comment really doesn't do your credibility any good.

But I'll bite, why would hippies have weapons of mass destruction?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Knesset revokes Arab MK Zuabi's privileges over Gaza flotilla
In 34-16 vote, Knesset approves stripping Zuabi of three parliamentary privileges over participation in Gaza flotilla; Zuabi: Knesset is punishing me out of vengeance.

The Knesset on Tuesday voted to revoke three parliamentary privileges from Arab MK Hanin Zuabi (Balad) due to her participation in the aid flotilla that sailed to Gaza in late May.

Thirty-four lawmakers voted in favor of stripping Zuabi's privileges and 16 voted against, after a heated debate, in which Zuabi accused her fellow lawmakers of punishing her out of vengeance.

Zuabi responded to the Knesset vote by saying, "It's not surprising that a country that strips the fundamental rights of its Arab citizens would revoke the privileges of a Knesset member who loyally represents her electorate."

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Last week the Knesset committee recommended rescinding from Zuabi three key privileges, one of which is the privilege to exit the country – meant to prevent Zoabi from fleeing Israel if she commits a felony or has debts in Israel.

Another privilege to be rescinded is carrying a diplomatic passport, which according to the Knesset's legal adviser, is a privilege that does not grant diplomatic immunity so revoking it would not make it more difficult for Zuabi to fulfill her duties.

The third privilege is the right to have the Knesset cover litigation fees of an MK if he or she faces trial.

MK Yariv Levin (Likud), chairman of the Knesset committee that decided on rescinding her privileges, told Zuabi that she doesn’t belong in the Knesset.

"You have no place in the Israeli Knesset, you are unworthy of holding an Israeli ID and you embarrass the citizens of Israel, the Knesset, the Arab population and your family," he said.

Meanwhile, MK Anastassia Michaeli (Yisrael Beiteinu) was escorted out of the hall after she handed Zuabi a lookalike Iranian passport with a photograph of her in it, saying that it will serve her on her diplomatic incitement trips.

"In every civilized country, a member of parliament who crosses the red line and identifies with the enemy and arming the enemy with weapons of mass destruction aimed at destroying his country's national foundations will not find in his pocket a diplomatic passport of the country he aims to destroy," Michaeli said.

"Ms. Zuabi, I take your loyalty to Iran seriously and I suggest you contact [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad and ask him to give you an Iranian diplomatic passport that will assist you with all your diplomatic incitement tours, because your Israeli passport will be revoked this evening," she added and proceeded to hand Zuabi a lookalike Iranian passport that she had produced for her.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/kn ... a-1.301750

Unbelievable. Because this woman was on the MV Mavi Marmara, she is clearly a dirty brown terrorist who deserves to have her parliamentary privileges stripped. Israel is not a democracy.

edit: Video from the Knesset of her attempting to give a statement and being drowned out by hateful heckling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBUxZnHb2ig

What she did was clearly anti-Israeli. Of course they have the right to punish her. Shouldn't she be working hard on convincing her colleagues to lift the blockade instead of wasting her time on Osama-resque propoganda?

[Caelapes]

What she did was clearly anti-Israeli. Of course they have the right to punish her. Shouldn't she be working hard on convincing her colleagues to lift the blockade instead of wasting her time on Osama-resque propoganda?

I'll refer you to the video in the original post in which she attempts to speak to her colleagues and she is drowned out by shouts of "traitor!" and "terrorist!" The Gaza flotilla was nothing close to "Osama-esque propaganda", but I suppose I can't expect to see anything but such allegations from a nation called "Eternal Yerushalayim". I assume you disagree with the international community's consensus that al-Quds is an inseparable part of the future Palestinian state?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

What she did was clearly anti-Israeli. Of course they have the right to punish her. Shouldn't she be working hard on convincing her colleagues to lift the blockade instead of wasting her time on Osama-resque propoganda?

I'll refer you to the video in the original post in which she attempts to speak to her colleagues and she is drowned out by shouts of "traitor!" and "terrorist!" The Gaza flotilla was nothing close to "Osama-esque propaganda", but I suppose I can't expect to see anything but such allegations from a nation called "Eternal Yerushalayim". I assume you disagree with the international community's consensus that al-Quds is an inseparable part of the future Palestinian state?

Sounds like a traitor for going against the law, but terrorist? Not so serious. And I believe in the one state solution. Also, Yerushalayim is the older name, so I'm sticking to it.

[Caelapes]

What she did was clearly anti-Israeli. Of course they have the right to punish her. Shouldn't she be working hard on convincing her colleagues to lift the blockade instead of wasting her time on Osama-resque propoganda?

I'll refer you to the video in the original post in which she attempts to speak to her colleagues and she is drowned out by shouts of "traitor!" and "terrorist!" The Gaza flotilla was nothing close to "Osama-esque propaganda", but I suppose I can't expect to see anything but such allegations from a nation called "Eternal Yerushalayim". I assume you disagree with the international community's consensus that al-Quds is an inseparable part of the future Palestinian state?

Sounds like a traitor for going against the law, but terrorist? Not so serious. And I believe in the one state solution. Also, Yerushalayim is the older name, so I'm sticking to it.

Well "terrorist" is what her fellow MKs called her. I'm not a scholar of Israeli law nor can I speak Hebrew, so I'm hoping you can help me point out what Israeli laws were broken by Ms. Zoabi? I'm not doubting what you say, but I'd like to see specifically what she's broken.

[Nice blonde gets an]

But I'll bite, why would hippies have weapons of mass destruction?

To stave off global warming.

[Caelapes]

But I'll bite, why would hippies have weapons of mass destruction?

To stave off global warming.

Stop derailing this thread.

[Nice blonde gets an]

Stop derailing this thread.

Sorry. They would have WMD's also so they could kill jews.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

What she did was clearly anti-Israeli. Of course they have the right to punish her. Shouldn't she be working hard on convincing her colleagues to lift the blockade instead of wasting her time on Osama-resque propoganda?

I'll refer you to the video in the original post in which she attempts to speak to her colleagues and she is drowned out by shouts of "traitor!" and "terrorist!" The Gaza flotilla was nothing close to "Osama-esque propaganda", but I suppose I can't expect to see anything but such allegations from a nation called "Eternal Yerushalayim". I assume you disagree with the international community's consensus that al-Quds is an inseparable part of the future Palestinian state?

Sounds like a traitor for going against the law, but terrorist? Not so serious. And I believe in the one state solution. Also, Yerushalayim is the older name, so I'm sticking to it.

Well "terrorist" is what her fellow MKs called her. I'm not a scholar of Israeli law nor can I speak Hebrew, so I'm hoping you can help me point out what Israeli laws were broken by Ms. Zoabi? I'm not doubting what you say, but I'd like to see specifically what she's broken.

Did I deny that? I just said her actions are not terrorist. Never were, never will. And the laws refer to those imposed by Israel and Egypt to stop supplies from going to HAMAS(and stupidly killing lots of Arabs which in turn stimulated "Jihad").

[Risottia]

Well "terrorist" is what her fellow MKs called her. I'm not a scholar of Israeli law nor can I speak Hebrew, so I'm hoping you can help me point out what Israeli laws were broken by Ms. Zoabi? I'm not doubting what you say, but I'd like to see specifically what she's broken.

UnIsraelian activities... very McCarthy-style.

[Gauntleted Fist]

But I'll bite, why would hippies have weapons of mass destruction?

To stave off global warming.

Stop derailing this thread.

One of the things Zubai is accused of is assisting in the arming the enemies of Israel with weapons of mass destruction. Caelapes and I were discussing the motivations of the people supposedly assisting Zubai in this.

[Nice blonde gets an]

Caelapes and I were discussing the motivations of the people supposedly assisting Zubai in this.

I think they could find easier ways of getting WMD's then a mass-publicized flotilla.