Russo-American Alliance v. China, who wins?

[Bamabam]

Would go something like this:

1. China pisses off Russia and the USA by killing foreigners or some such nonsense.
2. Russia and USA declare war, Russia immediately begins to mobilize troops and attacks the Northern border.
3. The USA attacks Chinas East coast and, using Japan or another close by country, bombs the crap out of their factories and basically destroys their economy.
4. Germany invades and occupies France because they feel like it; France surrenders.
5. China, seeing defeat as imminent, launches nuclear warheads at Russia and USA.
6. Russia and USA launch nuclear bombs back, 100's of millions of people die, and the USA and Russia technically win since China is now a nuclear wasteland.

This is what would happen
1.China realizes they are no longer dependent on our economy so they move in to attack.
2.We strongly defend our selves right away
3.there just happens to be someone videotaping the attack/defense.
4.Tape spreads around media
5.liberal media attack general and president with some type of excuse and blowing it out of proportion till they become as hated as much as dick cheney,and george bush.
6.the situation becomes some what like the israeli blockade incident,causing liberals to attack america calling us evil
7.New Democratic congress wraps the military in miles of red tape,and dramatically decreases spending
8.U.N. sues us and makes us fork over trillions which goes strait to china
9.Russia joins us as it is the only military power to help us
10.The communists get back in full swing and they along with every other country in the world nukes us while we sit and do nothing to play it nice
11.U.S. is taken over by china along with radical islamists who fight over the land as it erupts in complete anarchy
12.Most americans never had to live without luxuries so countless go starving and are found dead
13.survivors convert to islam to save there skin
14.Islam america and chinese communists live peacefully together after agreements between the two are met
15.Same thing happens all around the world

[Aris People]

Would go something like this:

1. China pisses off Russia and the USA by killing foreigners or some such nonsense.
2. Russia and USA declare war, Russia immediately begins to mobilize troops and attacks the Northern border.
3. The USA attacks Chinas East coast and, using Japan or another close by country, bombs the crap out of their factories and basically destroys their economy.
4. Germany invades and occupies France because they feel like it; France surrenders.
5. China, seeing defeat as imminent, launches nuclear warheads at Russia and USA.
6. Russia and USA launch nuclear bombs back, 100's of millions of people die, and the USA and Russia technically win since China is now a nuclear wasteland.

This is what would happen
1.China realizes they are no longer dependent on our economy so they move in to attack.
2.We strongly defend our selves right away
3.there just happens to be someone videotaping the attack/defense.
4.Tape spreads around media
5.liberal media attack general and president with some type of excuse and blowing it out of proportion till they become as hated as much as dick cheney,and george bush.
6.the situation becomes some what like the israeli blockade incident,causing liberals to attack america calling us evil
7.New Democratic congress wraps the military in miles of red tape,and dramatically decreases spending
8.U.N. sues us and makes us fork over trillions which goes strait to china
9.Russia joins us as it is the only military power to help us
10.The communists get back in full swing and they along with every other country in the world nukes us while we sit and do nothing to play it nice
11.U.S. is taken over by china along with radical islamists who fight over the land as it erupts in complete anarchy
12.Most americans never had to live without luxuries so countless go starving and are found dead
13.survivors convert to islam to save there skin
14.Islam america and chinese communists live peacefully together after agreements between the two are met
15.Same thing happens all around the world

you forgot about the part where Germany invades France, obviously in any world war that has to happen. Other than that your right on the money.

[Herskerstad]

In a military conflict in present day and age China would be utterly crushed. The ballistic system of the US is far superior to any modern defences. The nuclear warheads aside they also have a navy that is adapting electro magnetic railguns which can fire longer than any mass driver known to man. Superior air-force, superior land veichles, superior pretty much everything. Other than quantity the US would easily dominate China alone, let alone with help from Russia.

The US military pays about 50% of all military development worldwide. It's an massive sum, but their military buget has only increased over decades. Unlike Russia who mostly modules existing weaponry the US develops new weaponry all the time.

I'd say two decades can change much in terms of the current statement. So unless the US pays it's dept to China with military tech and weaponry I don't see any way that will change short-term.

[Caninope]

Would go something like this:

1. China pisses off Russia and the USA by killing foreigners or some such nonsense.
2. Russia and USA declare war, Russia immediately begins to mobilize troops and attacks the Northern border.
3. The USA attacks Chinas East coast and, using Japan or another close by country, bombs the crap out of their factories and basically destroys their economy.
4. Germany invades and occupies France because they feel like it; France surrenders.
5. China, seeing defeat as imminent, launches nuclear warheads at Russia and USA.
6. Russia and USA launch nuclear bombs back, 100's of millions of people die, and the USA and Russia technically win since China is now a nuclear wasteland.

This is what would happen
1.China realizes they are no longer dependent on our economy so they move in to attack.
2.We strongly defend our selves right away
3.there just happens to be someone videotaping the attack/defense.
4.Tape spreads around media
5.liberal media attack general and president with some type of excuse and blowing it out of proportion till they become as hated as much as dick cheney,and george bush.
6.the situation becomes some what like the israeli blockade incident,causing liberals to attack america calling us evil
7.New Democratic congress wraps the military in miles of red tape,and dramatically decreases spending
8.U.N. sues us and makes us fork over trillions which goes strait to china
9.Russia joins us as it is the only military power to help us
10.The communists get back in full swing and they along with every other country in the world nukes us while we sit and do nothing to play it nice
11.U.S. is taken over by china along with radical islamists who fight over the land as it erupts in complete anarchy
12.Most americans never had to live without luxuries so countless go starving and are found dead
13.survivors convert to islam to save there skin
14.Islam america and chinese communists live peacefully together after agreements between the two are met
15.Same thing happens all around the world

No. Here's a point by point response.

1. China's economy collapses as its biggest customer not only quits buying, but actually is under attack by the air.
2. China would never attack the US. For one thing, they couldn't get to American soil without being destroyed by the Navy.
3. There's always a tape.
4. The tape doesn't do anything, as the American people are encouraged by the rapid sucess
5. Won't happen.
6. The situation won't happen. No one will criticize a situation that's working out so well. See: Early Iraq War
7. Won't happen. No politician will cut funding in the military in a successful war. They want to be re-elected, see?
8. The UN can't do that. We can simply veto any such proposal.
9. Yes, Russia helps us, so what?
10. Communists? Where do they come from? Besides, no nation will nuke America. There's something call MAD.
11. China couldn't even get to the shores, nor will radical Muslims over come the some 40 million gun owners who don't want to be under their rule
12. WTF? Can't happen without a nuke?
13. No.
14. No.
15. No.

Worst interpretation of international politics I have ever seen.

[Minnysota]

Would go something like this:

1. China pisses off Russia and the USA by killing foreigners or some such nonsense.
2. Russia and USA declare war, Russia immediately begins to mobilize troops and attacks the Northern border.
3. The USA attacks Chinas East coast and, using Japan or another close by country, bombs the crap out of their factories and basically destroys their economy.
4. Germany invades and occupies France because they feel like it; France surrenders.
5. China, seeing defeat as imminent, launches nuclear warheads at Russia and USA.
6. Russia and USA launch nuclear bombs back, 100's of millions of people die, and the USA and Russia technically win since China is now a nuclear wasteland.

This is what would happen
1.China realizes they are no longer dependent on our economy so they move in to attack.
2.We strongly defend our selves right away
3.there just happens to be someone videotaping the attack/defense.
4.Tape spreads around media
5.liberal media attack general and president with some type of excuse and blowing it out of proportion till they become as hated as much as dick cheney,and george bush.
6.the situation becomes some what like the israeli blockade incident,causing liberals to attack america calling us evil
7.New Democratic congress wraps the military in miles of red tape,and dramatically decreases spending
8.U.N. sues us and makes us fork over trillions which goes strait to china
9.Russia joins us as it is the only military power to help us
10.The communists get back in full swing and they along with every other country in the world nukes us while we sit and do nothing to play it nice
11.U.S. is taken over by china along with radical islamists who fight over the land as it erupts in complete anarchy
12.Most americans never had to live without luxuries so countless go starving and are found dead
13.survivors convert to islam to save there skin
14.Islam america and chinese communists live peacefully together after agreements between the two are met
15.Same thing happens all around the world

No. Here's a point by point response.

1. China's economy collapses as its biggest customer not only quits buying, but actually is under attack by the air.
2. China would never attack the US. For one thing, they couldn't get to American soil without being destroyed by the Navy.
3. There's always a tape.
4. The tape doesn't do anything, as the American people are encouraged by the rapid sucess
5. Won't happen.
6. The situation won't happen. No one will criticize a situation that's working out so well. See: Early Iraq War
7. Won't happen. No politician will cut funding in the military in a successful war. They want to be re-elected, see?
8. The UN can't do that. We can simply veto any such proposal.
9. Yes, Russia helps us, so what?
10. Communists? Where do they come from? Besides, no nation will nuke America. There's something call MAD.
11. China couldn't even get to the shores, nor will radical Muslims over come the some 40 million gun owners who don't want to be under their rule
12. WTF? Can't happen without a nuke?
13. No.
14. No.
15. No.

Worst interpretation of international politics I have ever seen.

Agreed what navy or air force does China have to stand for? Besides, should Russia ally with us, and China attempt to invade us, Russia would invade China plain and simple.

[Caninope]

Would go something like this:

1. China pisses off Russia and the USA by killing foreigners or some such nonsense.
2. Russia and USA declare war, Russia immediately begins to mobilize troops and attacks the Northern border.
3. The USA attacks Chinas East coast and, using Japan or another close by country, bombs the crap out of their factories and basically destroys their economy.
4. Germany invades and occupies France because they feel like it; France surrenders.
5. China, seeing defeat as imminent, launches nuclear warheads at Russia and USA.
6. Russia and USA launch nuclear bombs back, 100's of millions of people die, and the USA and Russia technically win since China is now a nuclear wasteland.

This is what would happen
1.China realizes they are no longer dependent on our economy so they move in to attack.
2.We strongly defend our selves right away
3.there just happens to be someone videotaping the attack/defense.
4.Tape spreads around media
5.liberal media attack general and president with some type of excuse and blowing it out of proportion till they become as hated as much as dick cheney,and george bush.
6.the situation becomes some what like the israeli blockade incident,causing liberals to attack america calling us evil
7.New Democratic congress wraps the military in miles of red tape,and dramatically decreases spending
8.U.N. sues us and makes us fork over trillions which goes strait to china
9.Russia joins us as it is the only military power to help us
10.The communists get back in full swing and they along with every other country in the world nukes us while we sit and do nothing to play it nice
11.U.S. is taken over by china along with radical islamists who fight over the land as it erupts in complete anarchy
12.Most americans never had to live without luxuries so countless go starving and are found dead
13.survivors convert to islam to save there skin
14.Islam america and chinese communists live peacefully together after agreements between the two are met
15.Same thing happens all around the world

No. Here's a point by point response.

1. China's economy collapses as its biggest customer not only quits buying, but actually is under attack by the air.
2. China would never attack the US. For one thing, they couldn't get to American soil without being destroyed by the Navy.
3. There's always a tape.
4. The tape doesn't do anything, as the American people are encouraged by the rapid sucess
5. Won't happen.
6. The situation won't happen. No one will criticize a situation that's working out so well. See: Early Iraq War
7. Won't happen. No politician will cut funding in the military in a successful war. They want to be re-elected, see?
8. The UN can't do that. We can simply veto any such proposal.
9. Yes, Russia helps us, so what?
10. Communists? Where do they come from? Besides, no nation will nuke America. There's something call MAD.
11. China couldn't even get to the shores, nor will radical Muslims over come the some 40 million gun owners who don't want to be under their rule
12. WTF? Can't happen without a nuke?
13. No.
14. No.
15. No.

Worst interpretation of international politics I have ever seen.

Agreed what navy or air force does China have to stand for? Besides, should Russia ally with us, and China attempt to invade us, Russia would invade China plain and simple.

Not to mention that China's tanks are just Russian Knockoffs.

[Minnysota]

Would go something like this:

1. China pisses off Russia and the USA by killing foreigners or some such nonsense.
2. Russia and USA declare war, Russia immediately begins to mobilize troops and attacks the Northern border.
3. The USA attacks Chinas East coast and, using Japan or another close by country, bombs the crap out of their factories and basically destroys their economy.
4. Germany invades and occupies France because they feel like it; France surrenders.
5. China, seeing defeat as imminent, launches nuclear warheads at Russia and USA.
6. Russia and USA launch nuclear bombs back, 100's of millions of people die, and the USA and Russia technically win since China is now a nuclear wasteland.

This is what would happen
1.China realizes they are no longer dependent on our economy so they move in to attack.
2.We strongly defend our selves right away
3.there just happens to be someone videotaping the attack/defense.
4.Tape spreads around media
5.liberal media attack general and president with some type of excuse and blowing it out of proportion till they become as hated as much as dick cheney,and george bush.
6.the situation becomes some what like the israeli blockade incident,causing liberals to attack america calling us evil
7.New Democratic congress wraps the military in miles of red tape,and dramatically decreases spending
8.U.N. sues us and makes us fork over trillions which goes strait to china
9.Russia joins us as it is the only military power to help us
10.The communists get back in full swing and they along with every other country in the world nukes us while we sit and do nothing to play it nice
11.U.S. is taken over by china along with radical islamists who fight over the land as it erupts in complete anarchy
12.Most americans never had to live without luxuries so countless go starving and are found dead
13.survivors convert to islam to save there skin
14.Islam america and chinese communists live peacefully together after agreements between the two are met
15.Same thing happens all around the world

No. Here's a point by point response.

1. China's economy collapses as its biggest customer not only quits buying, but actually is under attack by the air.
2. China would never attack the US. For one thing, they couldn't get to American soil without being destroyed by the Navy.
3. There's always a tape.
4. The tape doesn't do anything, as the American people are encouraged by the rapid sucess
5. Won't happen.
6. The situation won't happen. No one will criticize a situation that's working out so well. See: Early Iraq War
7. Won't happen. No politician will cut funding in the military in a successful war. They want to be re-elected, see?
8. The UN can't do that. We can simply veto any such proposal.
9. Yes, Russia helps us, so what?
10. Communists? Where do they come from? Besides, no nation will nuke America. There's something call MAD.
11. China couldn't even get to the shores, nor will radical Muslims over come the some 40 million gun owners who don't want to be under their rule
12. WTF? Can't happen without a nuke?
13. No.
14. No.
15. No.

Worst interpretation of international politics I have ever seen.

Agreed what navy or air force does China have to stand for? Besides, should Russia ally with us, and China attempt to invade us, Russia would invade China plain and simple.

Not to mention that China's tanks are just Russian Knockoffs.

Don't China's weapons jam a lot too? Or is that just a urban legend? Oh, and another downside for China, they are industrial, not neccessarily technological. Japan, who doesn't have a standing military (just a self-defense force) is gonna have a 5th Generation Jet Fighter planned before China lol..

I'm pretty sure a lot of things from China are cheap knockoffs

[Puerto America]

Not to mention that China's tanks are just Russian Knockoffs.

Don't China's weapons jam a lot too? Or is that just a urban legend? Oh, and another downside for China, they are industrial, not neccessarily technological. Japan, who doesn't have a standing military (just a self-defense force) is gonna have a 5th Generation Jet Fighter planned before China lol..

I'm pretty sure a lot of things from China are cheap knockoffs

Agreed. All China does is take a bunch American and Russian stuff, make it cheaper (this GREATLY lowers its quality), and give to a large, but greatly unskilled and under-trained military. China is just begining to make stealth planes. We can use our satellites and blast them out of the sky!

[Keronians]

Depends- in an occupation, no one would win.

If it were war, with no ideas of occupation other than getting to Beijing and then leaving? I'd say that the Russo-American alliance would win. While China has much more manpower, it's air force and navy are lacking.

Guerrilla warfare. The Japanese learnt it the hard way during WWII.

[Conserative Morality]

Russian-American Alliance, discounting nukes.

I mean really, how is this a fair fight at all?

[Keronians]

Russian-American Alliance, discounting nukes.

I mean really, how is this a fair fight at all?

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that Germany, Italy and Japan vs practically the rest of the World was a fair fight.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Russian-American Alliance, discounting nukes.

I mean really, how is this a fair fight at all?

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that Germany, Italy and Japan vs practically the rest of the World was a fair fight.

Huh?

[Kruplyan]

No what ifs, and why would Russia ally with us and not China?

Russia and the US are historic rivals and plus they border a economic powerhouse (China). With a very large population.

Nice flag.

I say Russo- Americans. Then we would fight (verbally) for the next 50 years over who did more.

[Keronians]

For all purposes and intents, I find it highly doubtful that Russia would take an active role in such a war.

Not to mention NATO and blah blah blah.

Basically, a de jure victory, but the guerrilla warfare, and massacre of Chinese people will probably lead us soft people to decide to agree to a conditional surrender.

[Keronians]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that Germany, Italy and Japan vs practically the rest of the World was a fair fight.

Huh?

WWII.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

Huh?

WWII.

I know this, but I dont see how it fit into the thread

[Keronians]

WWII.

I know this, but I dont see how it fit into the thread

It doesn't. I was just telling CM that many major wars weren't "fair fights". Not everybody will talk on-topic. Many will threadjack.

[French Union]

China. American and China can't knock out each other, but China properly could take Siberia away from Russia.

[Trotskylvania]

The horde of corpse eating rats wins.

Why on Earth would they fight in the first place?

EDIT: Ugh, posted in the zombie thread without realizing it

[Terrasricas]

It depends. A Russo-American alliance couldn't defeat China on Chinese soil, and China couldn't defeat the alliance on Russian or American soil. All three countries are too big and at least reasonably militarily powerful to lose on their own soil. However, if it was somewhere else, the Russo-American alliance would win. China's military is simply too outdated to compete with a modern military.