Russo-American Alliance v. China, who wins?

[Galloism]

America. We have the largest, most advanced fleet in the world, by a huge margin. Control of the seas = victory.

Fine. Take your battleships and try to invade Kazakhstan now.

Well, we'll just portage across. *nod*

[Trippoli]

America. We have the largest, most advanced fleet in the world, by a huge margin. Control of the seas = victory.

Fine. Take your battleships and try to invade Kazakhstan now.

Kazakhstan =/= China.

Guess you don't get it

[Call to power]

arguably Russia alone could still give China a good spanking especially in terms of Heavy Armour what with Chinese equipment being unlicensed copies of Russian exports but with the US attacking its East Coast, industry and manpower would fall on its face rather quickly

I can't imagine the occupation being all that hard either rather more a Yugoslavia than any sort of Vietnam-esque clusterfuck but I'm not in the right armchair for this

[Techno-Soviet]

If for some odd reason the US and Russia ally and decide to invade China, who would win? I imagine it would be mostly Russian ground forces covered by mostly American air, artillery, and naval power. I am under the impression that the Russian American forces would completely annhilate the People's Army, but a friend of mine believes otherwise. So NS, after a long and fruitless debate, we turn to you for an answer.

So you wouldn't take Tu-22Ms, Tu-160s, Su-33s Su-34s, and MiG-29s? And neither would you take TOS-1 Buratino, or Uragan batteries? Weird.

Seeing as how the US has the best air force in the world hand's down, I figured using them over their Russian counter parts would be a better choice. I also said "mostly", meaning a majority of the operations are done by the US, but this does not mean all of them.

B-1 > Tu-22M
B-2 > Tu-160
F-14 > Su-33
F-15 > Su-34
F-16> MiG-29

Euh...

Bones are smaller than a '160, same with the B-2. Spirits are more expensive to operate, and their stealth tech isn't as good as it used to be. Tu-22M is closer to the Pig than the Bone (The '22M is like...tactical naval strike and the Bone is strategic nuclear bomber), Tomcats aren't in service anymore except with religious nutjobs, Eagle is closer to the '29 since the '34 is a ground attack like the Hog, and the Viper ain't got shit on the Fulcrum.

So yeh.

That said, a combined American/Russian force would rape China up it's arse. Painfully and without lube.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

I would guess the Chinese Air Force wouldn't survive the first week of fighting, would I be wrong in assuming this?

[The chrisman union]

If conflict ever did break out between the US and China, the US would lose. Not because the US'll be outfought, but the west is just too dependent on Chinese manufacturing to lose that trade link.

[Conserative Morality]

If conflict ever did break out between the US and China, the US would lose. Not because the US'll be outfought, but the west is just too dependent on Chinese manufacturing to lose that trade link.

Use of overwhelming force to quickly subdue China before they can bring their full force to bear and obtain a marginal victory with some minor concession, such as recognizing Taiwain as an Independent Nation. This depends on a first-strike scenario, rather than retaliation.

Then peace, and business as usual.

[Chazicaria]

Russia and America by far

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[Vetalia]

The US-Russian Alliance by a landslide. If war breaks out, we simply void all the debt held by the Chinese government immediately...there go their foreign reserves, which means no money to buy the imports they desperately need, especially oil, and from there their economy grinds to a halt. Having your entire foreign exchange reserves focused on the debt of one country is a major deterrent against war with them.

[Illithar]

Nobody wins. A "quick" victory for the US and Russia would be impossible without nuclear weapons. Once nuclear weapons are launched, the world is toast.

Otherwise, you have the world's only superpowers beating the crap out of each other with everything they've got for who know's how long and each nation's allies will be drawn into the conflict as well. Who "wins" won't matter. Hundreds of millions will be dead, and there won't be a Marshall Plan to rebuild a war ravageded world this time around.

[Rolling squid]

America. We have the largest, most advanced fleet in the world, by a huge margin. Control of the seas = victory.

Fine. Take your battleships and try to invade Kazakhstan now.

I wasn't talking battleships. I was talking carriers and subs. We could use our carrier groups and hunter-killer subs to close their shipping lanes, destroy critical infrastructure, disrupt the chain of command, and also terrorize civilian populations. Our missile subs ensure MAD, so there'd be no risk of nuclear exchange.

So we'd basically bomb the shit out of the Chinese, take over their airspace, land somewhere along the coast, and march on Beijing. Even if that line of attack failed, America would be at little risk of repercussions. The Chinese cannot project force to our shores and we can put enough men and ships in the Persian gulf/Afghanistan to block them from cutting us off from middle east oil. The only countries that would be in danger are Japan and South Korea.

[Jusela]

If it boils down to a total war (a là the Second World War, with entire nations mobilised for war), the winner would very clear be the Russo-Americans.

1. The Americans hold total dominance over the seas. Chinese trade and imports (including stuff like oil) would be cut off.
2. Taiwan is guaranteed to be involved on the Russo-American side. From bases in Taiwan, the americans can bomb vital targets in mainland China. Some well-placed bombs on Chinese dams would leave cities flooded and agricultural areas ruined. Also Chinese cities would be bombed around the clock.
3. Chinese forces strike into the Russian Far East. Vladivostok falls. Still the Russians hold an big advantage, considering the fact that Siberia is one big cold place.

In such a scenario, the Americans dont even have to set foot on mainland China. Sustained bombing and blockade will sooner or later cause disorder and upheaval, and unless the Chinese goes all hardcore tolitarian, their country would collapse.

If nukes comes into play, the Russo-Americans would win, since they hold over 50000 nuclear warheads, while the Chinese only have around two hundred.

[Risottia]

Euh...

Bones are smaller than a '160, same with the B-2. Spirits are more expensive to operate, and their stealth tech isn't as good as it used to be. Tu-22M is closer to the Pig than the Bone (The '22M is like...tactical naval strike and the Bone is strategic nuclear bomber), Tomcats aren't in service anymore except with religious nutjobs, Eagle is closer to the '29 since the '34 is a ground attack like the Hog, and the Viper ain't got shit on the Fulcrum.

You covered it pretty much completely. Btw, a Luftwaffe pilot (formerly DDR) who flew both 16s and 29s says he feels invincible in the 29. (google is your friend, I'm lazy).

Basically, if I were to invade China with a joint Russian-American force, the only US aircraft I would use would be: EA-3, B-52, and F/A-18 from the carriers.

[Minnysota]

Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.

Because they wouldn't side with the USA, and China would be a strategic advantage militarily, economically, geographically. They won't have to fight a war on their border. and instead fight over seas.

2/3 of those are correct. So China is a huge military superpower cause they have men to fight? A war with the US would not only kill their economy (and the US's) but would most likely take more time to recover. Their weapons are also pretty shitty compared to Russian and American weaponry. And America and Russia have the best fighters and bombers, and among the best tanks.

[DaWoad]

If it boils down to a total war (a là the Second World War, with entire nations mobilised for war), the winner would very clear be the Russo-Americans.

1. The Americans hold total dominance over the seas. Chinese trade and imports (including stuff like oil) would be cut off.
2. Taiwan is guaranteed to be involved on the Russo-American side. From bases in Taiwan, the americans can bomb vital targets in mainland China. Some well-placed bombs on Chinese dams would leave cities flooded and agricultural areas ruined. Also Chinese cities would be bombed around the clock.
3. Chinese forces strike into the Russian Far East. Vladivostok falls. Still the Russians hold an big advantage, considering the fact that Siberia is one big cold place.

In such a scenario, the Americans dont even have to set foot on mainland China. Sustained bombing and blockade will sooner or later cause disorder and upheaval, and unless the Chinese goes all hardcore tolitarian, their country would collapse.

If nukes comes into play, the Russo-Americans would win, since they hold over 50000 nuclear warheads, while the Chinese only have around two hundred.

Im not sure I'd call the resultant annihilation "winning" exactly but yes, America has a significant edge in air-warfare and sea-warfare and combined with Russian troops they'd almost certainly win in a straight up land war as well.

[Minnysota]

Again, if the US-Russians went to war with China, they would certainly win. Bombing the coast-line would take out industrial cities and population centers, although I don't think going for civies is a good tactic, unless its to destroy morale.

Hell, I personally think the US could take China by itself, but the casualties of that war would be absolutely devastating, as of right now, I don't believe either of these nations could afford a war with one another.

[Caninope]

Nobody wins. A "quick" victory for the US and Russia would be impossible without nuclear weapons. Once nuclear weapons are launched, the world is toast.

Otherwise, you have the world's only superpowers beating the crap out of each other with everything they've got for who know's how long and each nation's allies will be drawn into the conflict as well. Who "wins" won't matter. Hundreds of millions will be dead, and there won't be a Marshall Plan to rebuild a war ravageded world this time around.

No really...air superiority could very quickly be achieved from Siberian and ISE Asia airbases (assuming we set some up), not to mention carriers. Once air superiority is established, bombing can quickly eliminate major industrial and military centers. A WW2 German style blitzkrieg or a shock and awe invasion would throw the Chinese off, especially when reinforced with major armor.

Iraq and a larger military than the US prior to the Gulf War, and it ended relatively quickly.

[Taoshin]

No what ifs, and why would Russia ally with us and not China?

Russia and the US are historic rivals and plus they border a economic powerhouse (China). With a very large population.

i could have sworn Russia was allied with China..

[Minnysota]

No what ifs, and why would Russia ally with us and not China?

Russia and the US are historic rivals and plus they border a economic powerhouse (China). With a very large population.

i could have sworn Russia was allied with China..

No, they never liked each other.. they had a little border-skirmish back in the 60s correct? I don't think either nations like eachother.. but if anything Russia would probably ally with the US.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

So it's pretty much unanimous that Russia/America would win right?

[Aris People]

Would go something like this:

1. China pisses off Russia and the USA by killing foreigners or some such nonsense.
2. Russia and USA declare war, Russia immediately begins to mobilize troops and attacks the Northern border.
3. The USA attacks Chinas East coast and, using Japan or another close by country, bombs the crap out of their factories and basically destroys their economy.
4. Germany invades and occupies France because they feel like it; France surrenders.
5. China, seeing defeat as imminent, launches nuclear warheads at Russia and USA.
6. Russia and USA launch nuclear bombs back, 100's of millions of people die, and the USA and Russia technically win since China is now a nuclear wasteland.

[Maurepas]

Depends if we wanted to invade and occupy it, China. If we just wanted to obliterate their army, and bring the country to its knees, us pretty handily.

[Urcea]

As mentioned, if it's not a war of occupation, the Russo-American alliance would annihilate the Chinese - it wouldn't even be close.

[Bamabam]

no the american liberals,democrats,republicans,libertarians,green party,moderates,communists,and socialists would all dramatically cut spending and wrap our military in miles of red tape.The un would only make that worse.Meanwhile china would nuke us while we are trying to be nice

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

No occupation, we'd just hit it and quit it, so to speak. Beat them up enough to make them sign some kind of humiliating peace treaty or something.