Russo-American Alliance v. China, who wins?

[Rolling squid]

America. We have the largest, most advanced fleet in the world, by a huge margin. Control of the seas = victory.

[Zephie]

lol? Russia has more ties to china than the United States

[Conserative Morality]

lol? Russia has more ties to china than the United States

We spent fifty years in a series of proxy wars. They had an ideological schism.

Both are ugly for relations.

[South Lorenya]

Argentina, as they don't get thick-as-rain swarms of nukes anywhere near them.

[Techno-Soviet]

I doubt more than they have towards the us.

'Cept...like...Russia and China both keep armed military troops on their borders...bro.

Cuz....they kinda shot each other back in the 60's...bro.

lol? Russia has more ties to china than the United States

We spent fifty years in a series of proxy wars. They had an ideological schism.

Both are ugly for relations.

Arguably, the latter is worse.

[Volnotov]

Depends- in an occupation, no one would win.

If it were war, with no ideas of occupation other than getting to Beijing and then leaving? I'd say that the Russo-American alliance would win. While China has much more manpower, it's air force and navy are lacking.

Since when does communism promote genocide?

What the fuck?

[Techno-Soviet]

Depends- in an occupation, no one would win.

If it were war, with no ideas of occupation other than getting to Beijing and then leaving? I'd say that the Russo-American alliance would win. While China has much more manpower, it's air force and navy are lacking.

Since when does communism promote genocide?

What the fuck?

lrn2history. Communism has killed at least 4x as many as fascism.

[Volnotov]

lol? Russia has more ties to china than the United States

We spent fifty years in a series of proxy wars. They had an ideological schism.

Both are ugly for relations.

Oh look! Slavespeak!

What is this "we" that you speak of young man? I assume you actively participated in one of those proxy wars?

[Volnotov]

Depends- in an occupation, no one would win.

If it were war, with no ideas of occupation other than getting to Beijing and then leaving? I'd say that the Russo-American alliance would win. While China has much more manpower, it's air force and navy are lacking.

Since when does communism promote genocide?

What the fuck?

lrn2history. Communism has killed at least 4x as many as fascism.

Communism hasn't killen anyone yet ever in human history.

...bolshevism, leninism, stalinism, maonism and polpotsomethingism on the other hand...

EDIT: Added bolshevism

[Calenhardon]

Russo-American alliance. China imports a majority of its oil from the middle east, by ship. It would take the US navy about twenty minutes to shut that down. Horses and mules against tanks ought to be entertaining. (http://www.iags.org/china.htm)

Also, China doesn't have a particularly large missile arsenal, and most of their older ones are liquid fueled. So the US at least would only suffer...very badly. Granted my source is rather old, but still, twenty ICBMs isn't much vs the US or Russian arsenals.(http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China ... l_999.html)

[Conserative Morality]

Oh look! Slavespeak!

What is this "we" that you speak of young man? I assume you actively participated in one of those proxy wars?

"We" as I am an American, and I'm referring to America. It's common, Inform yourself as to the existence of the phenomenon.

[Conserative Morality]

Communism hasn't killen anyone yet ever in human history.

...bolshevism, leninism, stalinism, maonism and polpotsomethingism on the other hand...

EDIT: Added bolshevism

Leninism is the theory and practice of the dictatorship of the proletariat, led by a revolutionary vanguard party. Theoretically, Leninism comprises the political and socialist economic theories of Vladimir Lenin, developed from Marxism, and his interpretations of Marxist theory within the agrarian Russian Empire of that time.

Right, as we said, Communism. Marxist Communism.

[Alahastra]

If anything, you'd think Russia and China would ally.
One's got too much resources, the other's got too much people. Perfect match up.

[Chrobalta]

I don't think China's deterrence is large enough to cope with an American-Russian first strike. But I could be wrong.

[Delator]

If for some odd reason the US and Russia ally and decide to invade China, who would win? I imagine it would be mostly Russian ground forces covered by mostly American air, artillery, and naval power. I am under the impression that the Russian American forces would completely annhilate the People's Army, but a friend of mine believes otherwise. So NS, after a long and fruitless debate, we turn to you for an answer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_C ... ganisation

I'm pretty sure it'll never happen...although if China ever develops a credible anti-ICBM deterrent, you can expect a Chinese invasion of Russia on or about the following Tuesday.

[Trippoli]

Communism hasn't killen anyone yet ever in human history.

...bolshevism, leninism, stalinism, maonism and polpotsomethingism on the other hand...

EDIT: Added bolshevism

Leninism is the theory and practice of the dictatorship of the proletariat, led by a revolutionary vanguard party. Theoretically, Leninism comprises the political and socialist economic theories of Vladimir Lenin, developed from Marxism, and his interpretations of Marxist theory within the agrarian Russian Empire of that time.

Right, as we said, Communism. Marxist Communism.

Doesn't exist in the real world.

[Conserative Morality]

Doesn't exist in the real world.

Leninism is the theory and practice of the dictatorship of the proletariat, led by a revolutionary vanguard party. Theoretically, Leninism comprises the political and socialist economic theories of Vladimir Lenin, developed from Marxism, and his interpretations of Marxist theory within the agrarian Russian Empire of that time.

Interpretations of it do exist in the real world. Whether or not they live up to it is debatable, but they do exist.

[Trippoli]

Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.

Because they wouldn't side with the USA, and China would be a strategic advantage militarily, economically, geographically. They won't have to fight a war on their border. and instead fight over seas.

Don't Russia and China still hold some animosity towards each other?

I doubt more than they have towards the us.

They had a real war. US and Russia never did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Sovie ... r_conflict

So?

Just because countries have had past military conflicts, doesn't mean they will not make future pacts.

All I'm saying is Russia would most likely side with China if a conflict between the US ever occurs, because they probably don't want to fight another border war. China would also be a good supplier.

[Caninope]

Depends- in an occupation, no one would win.

If it were war, with no ideas of occupation other than getting to Beijing and then leaving? I'd say that the Russo-American alliance would win. While China has much more manpower, it's air force and navy are lacking.

Since when does communism promote genocide?

What the fuck?

What? Where did I mention genocide?

[Volnotov]

What? Where did I mention genocide?

I must have quoted the wrong person,

Oh look! Slavespeak!

What is this "we" that you speak of young man? I assume you actively participated in one of those proxy wars?

"We" as I am an American, and I'm referring to America. It's common, Inform yourself as to the existence of the phenomenon.

Stop saying "we", you didn't participate in those wars thus there is no "we fought proxy wars".

Stop using slavespeak, you are an individual and together with other individuals you make up a group of people refered to as "Americans", the united States is nothing more then a group of individuals that have something in common, but that doesn't mean that just because certain "Americans" fought in certain wars you can speak of "We fought in proxy wars", because after all - you didn't participate in those wars, some indiviiduals did in the past and they happend to be Americans, but just because they were American doesn not mean you can take credit for something you did not participate in.

Also, since when has the U.S. become biological borg collective?

[Chyeknovostan Republic]

It would be severly close, NEVER fight a land war in Asia, the loses would be massive and it would most likely escalate to A Nuclear War, it would be a completely pointless war, No one would win, all 3 if the survived would probably be hated by the rest of the world, also such a war would cause other nations to get involved in this case it would be a 3rd World war, The US is an empire And its are already started to have issues with staying stable, All empires fall eventually and unfortunently the US probably will eventually.

[Risottia]

If for some odd reason the US and Russia ally and decide to invade China, who would win? I imagine it would be mostly Russian ground forces covered by mostly American air, artillery, and naval power. I am under the impression that the Russian American forces would completely annhilate the People's Army, but a friend of mine believes otherwise. So NS, after a long and fruitless debate, we turn to you for an answer.

So you wouldn't take Tu-22Ms, Tu-160s, Su-33s Su-34s, and MiG-29s? And neither would you take TOS-1 Buratino, or Uragan batteries? Weird.

[Risottia]

America. We have the largest, most advanced fleet in the world, by a huge margin. Control of the seas = victory.

Fine. Take your battleships and try to invade Kazakhstan now.

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

If for some odd reason the US and Russia ally and decide to invade China, who would win? I imagine it would be mostly Russian ground forces covered by mostly American air, artillery, and naval power. I am under the impression that the Russian American forces would completely annhilate the People's Army, but a friend of mine believes otherwise. So NS, after a long and fruitless debate, we turn to you for an answer.

So you wouldn't take Tu-22Ms, Tu-160s, Su-33s Su-34s, and MiG-29s? And neither would you take TOS-1 Buratino, or Uragan batteries? Weird.

Seeing as how the US has the best air force in the world hand's down, I figured using them over their Russian counter parts would be a better choice. I also said "mostly", meaning a majority of the operations are done by the US, but this does not mean all of them.

B-1 > Tu-22M
B-2 > Tu-160
F-14 > Su-33
F-15 > Su-34
F-16> MiG-29

[Blackhelm Confederacy]

America. We have the largest, most advanced fleet in the world, by a huge margin. Control of the seas = victory.

Fine. Take your battleships and try to invade Kazakhstan now.

Kazakhstan =/= China.