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Russo-American Alliance v. China, who wins?

Postby Blackhelm Confederacy » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:50 pm

If for some odd reason the US and Russia ally and decide to invade China, who would win? I imagine it would be mostly Russian ground forces covered by mostly American air, artillery, and naval power. I am under the impression that the Russian American forces would completely annhilate the People's Army, but a friend of mine believes otherwise. So NS, after a long and fruitless debate, we turn to you for an answer.
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Postby Inertina » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:52 pm

Never fight a land war in Asia?

No one will win.

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Postby Soheran » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:52 pm

Death.

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Postby Trippoli » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:53 pm

No what ifs, and why would Russia ally with us and not China?

Russia and the US are historic rivals and plus they border a economic powerhouse (China). With a very large population.
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Postby Druidville » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:53 pm

I think it's time for the Dukes of Moscow to take it to the Golden Horde. The Americans will come in handy, definitely.
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Postby North Wiedna » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:54 pm

France, for the first time ever.
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Postby Blackhelm Confederacy » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:54 pm

Trippoli wrote:No what ifs, and why would Russia ally with us and not China?

Russia and the US are historic rivals and plus they border a economic powerhouse (China). With a very large population.



Idk, maybe they decide China is a problem and needs to be taken out or something?
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Postby Conoga » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:56 pm

North Wiedna wrote:France, for the first time ever.

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Postby Techno-Soviet » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:57 pm

North Wiedna wrote:France, for the first time ever.


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Postby Caninope » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:58 pm

Depends- in an occupation, no one would win.

If it were war, with no ideas of occupation other than getting to Beijing and then leaving? I'd say that the Russo-American alliance would win. While China has much more manpower, it's air force and navy are lacking.
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Postby Blackhelm Confederacy » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:58 pm

Techno-Soviet wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:France, for the first time ever.


itt: France saves Europe from Muslim domination see Charles the Hammer.


Enough w the hijacking.
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Postby North Wiedna » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:00 pm

Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.
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Postby Trippoli » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:01 pm

Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:
Trippoli wrote:No what ifs, and why would Russia ally with us and not China?

Russia and the US are historic rivals and plus they border a economic powerhouse (China). With a very large population.



Idk, maybe they decide China is a problem and needs to be taken out or something?


Doubt it, plus it will be a extremely hard task for Russia. China is much more wealthier. Not it's citizens, but the nation as a whole.
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Postby Blackhelm Confederacy » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:01 pm

North Wiedna wrote:
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.


Russia joins America because a radical Communist regime takes power and starts killing Russian and American civilians throughout the country. Happy?
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Postby Trippoli » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:02 pm

North Wiedna wrote:
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.


Because they wouldn't side with the USA, and China would be a strategic advantage militarily, economically, geographically. They won't have to fight a war on their border. and instead fight over seas.
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[b]Economic Left
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.82 [/b]
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Social Liberalism
79%
Socialist
79%
Libertarianism
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Totalitarianism
63%
Independance
46%
Democracy
46%
Anarchism
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Postby Augarundus » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:03 pm

Germany.

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Postby Strykla » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:03 pm

Actually, this possibility was somewhat explored in the game Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising. But in my opinion, the Americans and Russians would win, because it combines two superpowers against one.
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Postby Techno-Soviet » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:04 pm

Trippoli wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.


Because they wouldn't side with the USA, and China would be a strategic advantage militarily, economically, geographically. They won't have to fight a war on their border. and instead fight over seas.


Don't Russia and China still hold some animosity towards each other?
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Postby Gratislavia » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:05 pm

Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.


Russia joins America because a radical Communist regime takes power and starts killing Russian and American civilians throughout the country. Happy?

hey its the boxer rebillion again :) yay oh and america and russia would win
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Postby North Wiedna » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:05 pm

Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.


Russia joins America because a radical Communist regime takes power and starts killing Russian and American civilians throughout the country. Happy?

I'd imagine that they would kill more people than that, so it would go like that.
1. Regime is installed.
2. Regime kills all foreigners.
3. World forms anti-China alliance, leaded by Russia and the USA.
4. World alliance invades North Korea, China's most likely ally.
5. France gets fucked over somehow.
6. Skirmish fighting throughout nations which border China.
7. World wins those fights, invades China.
8. US and Russia win, divide winnings.
9. Great Wall is extended to reflect the new border.
10. France applies for aid.
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Postby Penguton » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:06 pm

As a fan of Firefly, I for one await the 3rd world war where we will be subjugated by China.
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Postby Gratislavia » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:06 pm

North Wiedna wrote:
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.


Russia joins America because a radical Communist regime takes power and starts killing Russian and American civilians throughout the country. Happy?

I'd imagine that they would kill more people than that, so it would go like that.
1. Regime is installed.
2. Regime kills all foreigners.
3. World forms anti-China alliance, leaded by Russia and the USA.
4. World alliance invades North Korea, China's most likely ally.
5. France gets fucked over somehow.
6. Skirmish fighting throughout nations which border China.
7. World wins those fights, invades China.
8. US and Russia win, divide winnings.
9. Great Wall is extended to reflect the new border.
10. France applies for aid.

once again its the boxer reb. all over again but bigger
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Postby Trippoli » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:08 pm

Techno-Soviet wrote:
Trippoli wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.


Because they wouldn't side with the USA, and China would be a strategic advantage militarily, economically, geographically. They won't have to fight a war on their border. and instead fight over seas.


Don't Russia and China still hold some animosity towards each other?


I doubt more than they have towards the us.
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[b]Economic Left
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.82 [/b]
COOL Political Compass Graph!
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Social Liberalism
79%
Socialist
79%
Libertarianism
63%
Totalitarianism
63%
Independance
46%
Democracy
46%
Anarchism
42%
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Postby Blackhelm Confederacy » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:10 pm

Trippoli wrote:
Techno-Soviet wrote:
Trippoli wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.


Because they wouldn't side with the USA, and China would be a strategic advantage militarily, economically, geographically. They won't have to fight a war on their border. and instead fight over seas.


Don't Russia and China still hold some animosity towards each other?


I doubt more than they have towards the us.


They had a real war. US and Russia never did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Sovie ... r_conflict
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Postby Gratislavia » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:12 pm

Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:
Trippoli wrote:
Techno-Soviet wrote:
Trippoli wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:Enough w the hijacking.

Only if you tell us why Russia would side with China, and what the war's over.


Because they wouldn't side with the USA, and China would be a strategic advantage militarily, economically, geographically. They won't have to fight a war on their border. and instead fight over seas.


Don't Russia and China still hold some animosity towards each other?


I doubt more than they have towards the us.


They had a real war. US and Russia never did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Sovie ... r_conflict

ohhh and the boxer rebillion where russia and america already kicked chinas ass
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