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Postby Crownstar » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:12 pm

So this is what I think, Racism will never go away as long as more that one race of people exist. Is America still a racist country? What is the most racist state. For international views does racism affect your country? :?

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Postby Trippoli » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:13 pm

There are raciest people. But, you can't call a whole Country/State one. My town if full of racists, but, not all.
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Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:15 pm

Crownstar wrote:So this is what I think, Racism will never go away as long as more that one race of people exist. Is America still a racist country? What is the most racist state. For international views does racism affect your country? :?


Well, because race is a socio-political construct with little or no basis in biology or genetics, "more than one race of people" never has existed. *poof* No more racism.

Yes, the USA is still racist. But we are making progress.
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Postby Crownstar » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:15 pm

Trippoli wrote:There are raciest people. But, you can't call a whole Country/State one. My town if full of racists, but, not all.


America has been known for its racism, my town of Miamisburg used to be a sundown town like many other American town's. We had a big sign on the hill that said "Niggers dont let the sun shine down on your head"

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:16 pm

Racism is a crutch for the mediocre. As long as there are people who feel inadequate searching for solace in the accomplishments of their 'group' as opposed to their own, there will be racism.
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Re: Racism

Postby Sibirsky » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:19 pm

The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Crownstar wrote:So this is what I think, Racism will never go away as long as more that one race of people exist. Is America still a racist country? What is the most racist state. For international views does racism affect your country? :?


Well, because race is a socio-political construct with little or no basis in biology or genetics, "more than one race of people" never has existed. *poof* No more racism.

Yes, the USA is still racist. But we are making progress.


I wonder why different races of people, are differently affected by disease?
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Postby Ryadn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:20 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Racism is a crutch for the mediocre. As long as there are people who feel inadequate searching for solace in the accomplishments of their 'group' as opposed to their own, there will be racism.


Or people who feel inadequate searching for particular reasons to hate people, rather than general ones.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:21 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Crownstar wrote:So this is what I think, Racism will never go away as long as more that one race of people exist. Is America still a racist country? What is the most racist state. For international views does racism affect your country? :?


Well, because race is a socio-political construct with little or no basis in biology or genetics, "more than one race of people" never has existed. *poof* No more racism.

Yes, the USA is still racist. But we are making progress.


I wonder why different races of people, are differently affected by disease?


Probably for the same reason that women and men are differently affected by disease.
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Postby Ferrous Oxide » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:21 pm

The Cat-Tribe wrote:Well, because race is a socio-political construct with little or no basis in biology or genetics, "more than one race of people" never has existed.


So are dog breeds, but you can still tell the difference between a German shepherd and a shih tzu, can't you?

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Re: Racism

Postby Sibirsky » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:23 pm

Biology?
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Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:23 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Crownstar wrote:So this is what I think, Racism will never go away as long as more that one race of people exist. Is America still a racist country? What is the most racist state. For international views does racism affect your country? :?


Well, because race is a socio-political construct with little or no basis in biology or genetics, "more than one race of people" never has existed. *poof* No more racism.

Yes, the USA is still racist. But we are making progress.


I wonder why different races of people, are differently affected by disease?


Given that people of different "races" "differently affected by disease" are genetically nearly identical and show more variation within alleged "races" than between races, good question. Perhaps your premise is faulty.
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Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:24 pm

Ferrous Oxide wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:Well, because race is a socio-political construct with little or no basis in biology or genetics, "more than one race of people" never has existed.


So are dog breeds, but you can still tell the difference between a German shepherd and a shih tzu, can't you?


Dog breeds don't exist?

There are no significant differences between dog breeds?

Dog breeds are a socio-political construct?

Nice try. No cigar.
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Postby Ryadn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:24 pm

For people to believe that everyone is the same "race", everyone would have to look essentially the same--otherwise we'd just start talking about the "blonde race" and the "green-eyed race". And I would be bored if everyone looked the same.

The Bay Area (where I live) is a vibrant mixture of racial harmony and conflict. Sometimes people think we have less racism because white people aren't the majority. Nope. Racism among various Asian ethnicities can be just as intense as racism between the Irish and the Italians used to be back in the day. Still, growing up with people from all over the world is a cool experience, and at least we make racists feel ashamed, so that they suppress and hide their racism more often than acting out.
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Postby Ferrous Oxide » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:26 pm

The Cat-Tribe wrote:Given that people of different "races" "differently affected by disease" are genetically nearly identical and show more variation within alleged "races" than between races, good question. Perhaps your premise is faulty.


Variation schmariation. It's not how many different genes you've got, it's which ones.

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Postby Ferrous Oxide » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:26 pm

The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Ferrous Oxide wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:Well, because race is a socio-political construct with little or no basis in biology or genetics, "more than one race of people" never has existed.


So are dog breeds, but you can still tell the difference between a German shepherd and a shih tzu, can't you?


Dog breeds don't exist?

There are no significant differences between dog breeds?

Dog breeds are a socio-political construct?

Nice try. No cigar.


There's no huge genetic difference between dog breeds; you can trace them genetically the same as humans, but that's about it.

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Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:27 pm

Ferrous Oxide wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:Given that people of different "races" "differently affected by disease" are genetically nearly identical and show more variation within alleged "races" than between races, good question. Perhaps your premise is faulty.


Variation schmariation. It's not how many different genes you've got, it's which ones.


Ah, the scientific basis of racism in it's full glory.
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Re: Racism

Postby Sibirsky » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:28 pm

Everyone is the same, yet Tay-Sachs disease favors Ashkenazim Jews (of European descent), while cystic fibrosis haunts White people. Latin Americans and African rooted people are particularly vulnerable to type 2 diabetes, 90% and 60 % more than White people. Hypertension plagues Afro-Caribbean descent at a higher rate than other populations.
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Postby Maurepas » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:28 pm

Trippoli wrote:There are raciest people. But, you can't call a whole Country/State one. My town if full of racists, but, not all.

This ^^^...

People are Racist, not Countries...Ahmadinejad hates Jews, but random person A in Iran does not, ;)

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Postby Ryadn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:30 pm

Sibirsky wrote:Everyone is the same, yet Tay-Sachs disease favors Ashkenazim Jews (of European descent), while cystic fibrosis haunts White people. Latin Americans and African rooted people are particularly vulnerable to type 2 diabetes, 90% and 60 % more than White people. Hypertension plagues Afro-Caribbean descent at a higher rate than other populations.


Attempts to create categories of biological races have centered on phenotypic differences. A phenotype is the entirety of traits that an individual possesses, including external characteristics such as eye color and shape, body size and shape, hair color and texture, and skin color. In recent years attempts have also been made to evaluate genotypic differences to justify biological races. Genotype refers to a person's genetic makeup. These attempts have tried to define clusters of characteristics in one population that are not found in other populations. These clusters supposedly would enable different populations to be divided into distinct races. Such attempts have failed, however, and what researchers have found is that biological variations exist on a cline rather than in delimited geographic clusters with gaps in between. A cline refers to a gradual change of a trait and its frequency from one place to another within a species or population. The change usually corresponds to some change in the environment across the geographic range of a species. Any boundary line drawn at a point along the continuum is therefore arbitrary. So, the idea of distinct races defined by hard-and-fast differences has fallen apart as anthropologists have studied the genetic and physical characteristics of human populations.


Alan R. Templeton, Ph.D., professor of biology in Arts and Sciences, has analyzed DNA from global human populations that reveal the patterns of human evolution over the past one million years. He shows that while there is plenty of genetic variation in humans, most of the variation is individual variation. While between-population variation exists, it is either too small, which is a quantitative variation, or it is not the right type of qualitative variation -- it does not mark historical sublineages of humanity.

Using the latest molecular biology techniques, Templeton has analyzed millions of genetic sequences found in three distinct types of human DNA and concludes that, in the scientific sense, there is no such thing as race.

"Race is a real cultural, political and economic concept in society, but it is not a biological concept, and that unfortunately is what many people wrongfully consider to be the essence of race in humans -- genetic differences," Templeton said. "Evolutionary history is the key to understanding race, and new molecular biology techniques offer so much on recent evolutionary history. I wanted to bring some objectivity to the topic. This very objective analysis shows the outcome is not even a close call: There's nothing even like a really distinct subdivision of humanity."

Templeton used the same strategy to try to identify race in human populations that evolutionary and population biologists use for non-human species, from salamanders to chimpanzees. He treated human populations as if they were non-human populations.

"I'm not saying these results don't recognize genetic differences among human populations," he cautioned. "There are differences, but they don't define historical lineages that have persisted for a long time."
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:30 pm

Crownstar wrote:So this is what I think, Racism will never go away as long as more that one race of people exist.


So banish "race" from the vocabulary of your mind. Bingo. You can't be a racist any more.

Just an irrational person who dislikes or distrusts other people, at random.

(I see now that LG has made almost the same point. Big muddy hug to you mate!)

Is America still a racist country? What is the most racist state. For international views does racism affect your country? :?


Racism affects my country. Racism should gtfo.
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Ferrous Oxide wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Ferrous Oxide wrote:
So are dog breeds, but you can still tell the difference between a German shepherd and a shih tzu, can't you?


Dog breeds don't exist?

There are no significant differences between dog breeds?

Dog breeds are a socio-political construct?

Nice try. No cigar.


There's no huge genetic difference between dog breeds; you can trace them genetically the same as humans, but that's about it.


Lies.

http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articl ... 20/dog.php
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Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:32 pm

Sibirsky wrote:Everyone is the same, yet Tay-Sachs disease favors Ashkenazim Jews (of European descent), while cystic fibrosis haunts White people. Latin Americans and African rooted people are particularly vulnerable to type 2 diabetes, 90% and 60 % more than White people. Hypertension plagues Afro-Caribbean descent at a higher rate than other populations.


Define "white people."
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Postby Ryadn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:33 pm

Sibirsky wrote:Everyone is the same, yet Tay-Sachs disease favors Ashkenazim Jews (of European descent), while cystic fibrosis haunts White people. Latin Americans and African rooted people are particularly vulnerable to type 2 diabetes, 90% and 60 % more than White people. Hypertension plagues Afro-Caribbean descent at a higher rate than other populations.



Still, there's no question that some gene forms show up more often in some populations than others: alleles that code for blue eyes, or the A, B, O blood groups, and of course, those alleles that influence skin color . (We all have the same 30,000 or so genes. But some genes come in different forms, or varieties, called alleles.) But just because some members of a population might carry a specific gene form, doesn't mean all members do. Only a small percentage of Ashkenazi Jews carry the Tay-Sachs allele. When a couple I know were screened upon their pregnancy, the non-Jewish partner was found to be the Tay-Sachs carrier, not the Jewish one.

That's because most human variation falls within, not between populations. About 85% of all genetic variation can, on average, be found within any local population, be they Swedes, Kikuyu, or Hmong. About 94% can be found within any continental population, consistent with what the Rosenberg Science study found. In fact, there are no characteristics, no traits, not even one gene that turns up in all members of one so-called race yet is absent from others.

Take sickle cell. Doctors were long taught that sickle cell anemia was a genetic disease of Negroes, a marker of their race. Yet sickle cell is found among peoples from central and western Africa, but not southern Africa. It is also carried by Turks, Yemenis, Indians, Greeks, and Sicilians. That's because sickle cell arose several thousand years ago as a mutation in one of the genes that codes for hemoglobin. The mutation soon spread to successive populations along the trade routes where malaria was common. It turns out that inheriting one sickle cell allele confers resistance to malaria and thus provides a selective advantage in malarial regions (inheriting sickle cell alleles from both parents causes sickle-cell disease). In other words, sickle cell, like tandem repeats in the Science study, is a marker not of skin color or race but ancestry, or more precisely, having ancestors from where malaria was common.
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Re: Racism

Postby Sibirsky » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:34 pm

Ryadn wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Everyone is the same, yet Tay-Sachs disease favors Ashkenazim Jews (of European descent), while cystic fibrosis haunts White people. Latin Americans and African rooted people are particularly vulnerable to type 2 diabetes, 90% and 60 % more than White people. Hypertension plagues Afro-Caribbean descent at a higher rate than other populations.


Attempts to create categories of biological races have centered on phenotypic differences. A phenotype is the entirety of traits that an individual possesses, including external characteristics such as eye color and shape, body size and shape, hair color and texture, and skin color. In recent years attempts have also been made to evaluate genotypic differences to justify biological races. Genotype refers to a person's genetic makeup. These attempts have tried to define clusters of characteristics in one population that are not found in other populations. These clusters supposedly would enable different populations to be divided into distinct races. Such attempts have failed, however, and what researchers have found is that biological variations exist on a cline rather than in delimited geographic clusters with gaps in between. A cline refers to a gradual change of a trait and its frequency from one place to another within a species or population. The change usually corresponds to some change in the environment across the geographic range of a species. Any boundary line drawn at a point along the continuum is therefore arbitrary. So, the idea of distinct races defined by hard-and-fast differences has fallen apart as anthropologists have studied the genetic and physical characteristics of human populations.


Alan R. Templeton, Ph.D., professor of biology in Arts and Sciences, has analyzed DNA from global human populations that reveal the patterns of human evolution over the past one million years. He shows that while there is plenty of genetic variation in humans, most of the variation is individual variation. While between-population variation exists, it is either too small, which is a quantitative variation, or it is not the right type of qualitative variation -- it does not mark historical sublineages of humanity.

Using the latest molecular biology techniques, Templeton has analyzed millions of genetic sequences found in three distinct types of human DNA and concludes that, in the scientific sense, there is no such thing as race.

"Race is a real cultural, political and economic concept in society, but it is not a biological concept, and that unfortunately is what many people wrongfully consider to be the essence of race in humans -- genetic differences," Templeton said. "Evolutionary history is the key to understanding race, and new molecular biology techniques offer so much on recent evolutionary history. I wanted to bring some objectivity to the topic. This very objective analysis shows the outcome is not even a close call: There's nothing even like a really distinct subdivision of humanity."

Templeton used the same strategy to try to identify race in human populations that evolutionary and population biologists use for non-human species, from salamanders to chimpanzees. He treated human populations as if they were non-human populations.

"I'm not saying these results don't recognize genetic differences among human populations," he cautioned. "There are differences, but they don't define historical lineages that have persisted for a long time."


Interesting. So everyone is human.
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The Cat-Tribe wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Everyone is the same, yet Tay-Sachs disease favors Ashkenazim Jews (of European descent), while cystic fibrosis haunts White people. Latin Americans and African rooted people are particularly vulnerable to type 2 diabetes, 90% and 60 % more than White people. Hypertension plagues Afro-Caribbean descent at a higher rate than other populations.


Define "white people."

I think the acronym is WASP, so, I think it is Anglo-Saxon Protestants that are White, :lol2:

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