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Legalizing Polygamy(Multi-Marriage)

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Should Polygamy be legal in the United States?

Yes
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No
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29%
Yes, but limited to cultures and religions that practice it.
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Legalizing Polygamy(Multi-Marriage)

Postby Trippoli » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:18 pm

What is your political stance on Polygamy? Marriage with several people involved?

What Polygamy means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Hydesland » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:20 pm

People should be allowed to call themselves married to as many people as they want, but I think a state recognized marriage should be limited to between two people, as there are too many issues and possible abuses otherwise.
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Galloism » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:20 pm

Yes, but I think the implementation and contractual obligations of it would be... tricky, to say the least.

So yes, but not before we think through it very very clearly.
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Trippoli » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:21 pm

True.
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Altergo » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:21 pm

It is against my Religion to have Polygamy, but if someone is doing it and its a part of there Traditions or Religion, i won't have problem with it.

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Re: Polygamy

Postby Treznor » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:22 pm

So long as it isn't limited to polygyny, I'm all for it. All people should have the choice of adding additional partners so long as everyone is agreeable. I really don't care if the government gives its legal blessings to it.

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Re: Polygamy

Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:24 pm

Trippoli wrote:What is your political stance on Polygamy? Marriage with several people involved?

What Polygamy means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy


I'm fine with it.
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Re: Polygamy

Postby The Babbage Islands » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:25 pm

Galloism wrote:Yes, but I think the implementation and contractual obligations of it would be... tricky, to say the least.

So yes, but not before we think through it very very clearly.


^^ This.

There are potential advantages for children in a household with more than two parents, just as there are potential advantages for children who live in homes with extended families. But the legal issues would be immense, and fix-as-you-go possibly catastrophic.
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Buffett and Colbert » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:26 pm

If all the participants are of legal age and are willing, there is no problem with this. Polygamy can actually be a beautiful thing.
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Mortshnefran » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:27 pm

polygamy should absolutely be legal. the state has no right to limit the contractual bindings of individuals. that is the only way in which the state should recognise marriage in the first place as just another contract, no different than any other.

alterego- i'm just curious what religion has a rule against polygamy?
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Galloism » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:27 pm

The Babbage Islands wrote:There are potential advantages for children in a household with more than two parents, just as there are potential advantages for children who like in homes with extended families. But the legal issues would be immense, and fix-as-you-go possibly catastrophic.


Agreed, although not to say that we won't need some tweaking here or there even with a very well thought-out legal position on it. We will; people learn by experience and all that. However, we should go in with a really good plan, and then apply tweaks as necessary.
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Re: Polygamy

Postby New Ton » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:28 pm

Yep as long as people are not offended by it, it should be legal by all means.

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Re: Polygamy

Postby Galloism » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:28 pm

Mortshnefran wrote:polygamy should absolutely be legal. the state has no right to limit the contractual bindings of individuals. that is the only way in which the state should recognise in the first place as just another contract, no different than any other.

alterego- i'm just curious what religion has a rule against polygamy?


Many (if not most) Christian denominations do, I believe.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Re: Polygamy

Postby Galloism » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:28 pm

New Ton wrote:Yep as long as people are not offended by it, it should be legal by all means.


Why does it matter if people are offended by it?
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Re: Polygamy

Postby Trippoli » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:28 pm

How long till politicians at Capitol hill tolerate it?
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:30 pm

If it makes you happy, if it harms no one, if it's what you really want... go for it. Let no one tell you otherwise.
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Postby South Lorenya » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:31 pm

As long as all people are consenting and allowed to do it, why not? It's not like we're saying "Billy-george is allowed to have four wives but his wives have to settle for only one!"
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Jordaxia » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:34 pm

I prefer the term polyamory, because I dislike the emphasis on marriage in polygamy. It's not my intent to marry any of my partners, though I wouldn't rule out some sort of unofficial, very personal, devotion ceremony at one point.

Obviously, as I am actively polyamorous, I don't have a problem with the notion. We should all be entitled to try and have as many partners as we're comfortable with, whether that is 1, or 17.
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Kyronea » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:35 pm

Galloism wrote:Yes, but I think the implementation and contractual obligations of it would be... tricky, to say the least.

So yes, but not before we think through it very very clearly.

I think this sums up my opinion. I certainly have no problem with it. I don't think I'd be too interested in it myself, but if other people want to do it, it's fine by me.

So long as it's all consensual adults involved.

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Re: Polygamy

Postby Hydesland » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:35 pm

Mortshnefran wrote:that is the only way in which the state should recognise marriage


So they shouldn't receive tax benefits and other benefits?

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Re: Polygamy

Postby Mortshnefran » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:35 pm

Galloism wrote:
Mortshnefran wrote:polygamy should absolutely be legal. the state has no right to limit the contractual bindings of individuals. that is the only way in which the state should recognise in the first place as just another contract, no different than any other.

alterego- i'm just curious what religion has a rule against polygamy?


Many (if not most) Christian denominations do, I believe.


that's why i ask as far as i am aware there is no official censure of polygamy in the bible itself.
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Re: Polygamy

Postby Treznor » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:36 pm

Galloism wrote:
New Ton wrote:Yep as long as people are not offended by it, it should be legal by all means.


Why does it matter if people are offended by it?

I don't give a fuck who is offended by any marriage in the world. If they don't like it, they don't have to participate. Being offended is a piss poor reason to restrict civil rights.

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Re: Polygamy

Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:39 pm

Mortshnefran wrote:
Galloism wrote:
Mortshnefran wrote:polygamy should absolutely be legal. the state has no right to limit the contractual bindings of individuals. that is the only way in which the state should recognise in the first place as just another contract, no different than any other.

alterego- i'm just curious what religion has a rule against polygamy?


Many (if not most) Christian denominations do, I believe.


that's why i ask as far as i am aware there is no official censure of polygamy in the bible itself.


It wasn't illegal for Jews, in Old Testament time. Indeed - I believe it's only been 'illegal' for Jews for about a thousands years, now.
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Re: Legalizing Polygamy(Multi-Marriage)

Postby Ashmoria » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:40 pm

you cant just legalize it.

you have to decide exactly what the rules are going to be. if a man marries 2 women, for example, are they married to each other? are they allowed to marry other men at the same time? what are the tax considerations of this. how do you decide inheritance rights? what about the children? will they still have only 2 parents or are the sister-wives responsible for the children that arent theirs?

im sure there are other considerations that should be decided before multi marriage is legalized.
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Re: Legalizing Polygamy(Multi-Marriage)

Postby Northwest Slobovia » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:40 pm

My feeling is the same as it is for gay marriage: why is the government in the business of recognizing and sanctioning who sleeps with whom? It's a private matter, and I don't see that the state needs to be involved any more than making sure that somebody takes care of the kids the adults produce.
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