NATION

PASSWORD

To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Georgetpwn
Diplomat
 
Posts: 664
Founded: Sep 18, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Georgetpwn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:24 pm

United Russian State wrote:
Georgetpwn wrote:Putin wanted to invade Georgia because he supports the destruction of democracy in the world and hopes for the resurgence of the USSR.

damnit, 2nd Cold War, here we come!



OUt this was ture Russia wouldn't have demoracyч

It wasn't an invasion. Georgia was the aggressor and we didn't even get rid of their goverment.

I do agreed with a new cold war though. NATO started the first one and they are bent on another one.


NO!

russia started the cold war. NATO was not formed until 1949, 4 years after the Cold war started.

Georgia has the right to maintain its own territories. Russia does it with Chechnya!
The Republic of Hobbes City (exiled), exists within Georgetpwn
DEFCON 5 4 3 2 1
Defense Minister of Novus Licentia Terra
The Republic of Hobbes City, composed of:
The Hobbes City Holding State of Georgetpwn
The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
The Colony of Suvree
The Pacific Territory of Ferdinando Marcos

User avatar
L3 Communications
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5150
Founded: Jun 21, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby L3 Communications » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:24 pm

United Russian State wrote:
Georgetpwn wrote:Putin wanted to invade Georgia because he supports the destruction of democracy in the world and hopes for the resurgence of the USSR.

damnit, 2nd Cold War, here we come!


if this was ture Russia wouldn't have demoracyч

It wasn't an invasion. Georgia was the aggressor and we didn't even get rid of their goverment.

I do agreed with a new cold war though. NATO started the first one and they are bent on another one.


It doesn't?
The Corporate Conglomerate of L3 Communications
L3 Corporate Factbook - L3 Embassy/Consulate Programme - L3 Broadcasting Corporation - L3 Communications - Global Armaments

- Member of The Conglomerate
- Member of CAPINTERN
- Member of the IFA
Economic Tyranny/Libertarian: 7.38
Social Libertarian/Tyranny: -4.46

New Nicksyllvania wrote:WA is jew infested tyranny that does not understand freedom and 0% taxation

Lyras wrote:Thirdly, the inclusion of multiple penetration aids (such as flares, chaff, false-target balloons and lubricant)...

User avatar
Belschaft
Minister
 
Posts: 2408
Founded: Mar 19, 2008
Civil Rights Lovefest

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Belschaft » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:25 pm

So you would have us to stand by and watch our people get killed and do nothing? South Ossetia and Russian peacekeepers didn't provoke Georgian forces. The UN would disagree with you that Russian peacekeepers were in violation of any UN law, they allowedd it.

Their very pressence in soverign Georgian teritory is an act of provokation, if not actual war in itself.

You would allow Georgia to just get away with killing Russian troops and citzins? Killed in cold blood. Who cares though? Their only Russians! That is what you are saying. Well they do matter and our govement is not going stand by and do nothing while are people are getting killed. We are no so cold hearted like the west. We care about our people and will defend ourselves. We will protect ourselves from NATO puupet agreesion.

Allegations of Geoargian abuses of Russian nationals unproven and contested by EU, NATO and the US. Russia has refused to allow EU or UN observers in to independatly investigate said claims.

NATO proved it only helps those who will become their puupets. Kosovo proved this.

Corection - NATO proved it helps those who are on the recieving end of ethnic clensing and genocide. Kosovo proved this.

This is why the world hates Amercia. They use logic that only Amercain lives matter, no other lives matter.

National slur, unnesercary and irelevant.
You will never be happy if you continue to search for what happiness consists of.
You will never live if you are looking for the meaning of life.

User avatar
United Russian State
Minister
 
Posts: 2897
Founded: Jul 03, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby United Russian State » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:26 pm

Chernobyl-Pripyat wrote:
Georgetpwn wrote:Putin wanted to invade Georgia because he supports the destruction of democracy in the world and hopes for the resurgence of the USSR.

damnit, 2nd Cold War, here we come!



Image


:lol:
Defcon: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5)
State of War: Chernobyl-Pripyat
Establish Embassy in URS
URS Economy Information
Join Pan-Slavic Union State!
My long term plan is to contribute to globally warming as much as possible so my grandchildren can live in a world that is a few degrees warmer and where there is new coast land being created every day.- The Scandinvans

The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions-Omnicracy

NO ONE is poor and suffering in the US- they're pretending that while rollicking in welfare money-Pythria

User avatar
Wilkshire
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 108
Founded: Antiquity
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Wilkshire » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:26 pm

Only about 99.9%.

I think Medvedev is still allowed to decide how many sugars he puts in his coffee.

User avatar
Belschaft
Minister
 
Posts: 2408
Founded: Mar 19, 2008
Civil Rights Lovefest

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Belschaft » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:27 pm

United Russian State wrote:
Chernobyl-Pripyat wrote:
Georgetpwn wrote:Putin wanted to invade Georgia because he supports the destruction of democracy in the world and hopes for the resurgence of the USSR.

damnit, 2nd Cold War, here we come!



Image


:lol:

:rofl:
You will never be happy if you continue to search for what happiness consists of.
You will never live if you are looking for the meaning of life.

User avatar
Georgetpwn
Diplomat
 
Posts: 664
Founded: Sep 18, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Georgetpwn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:27 pm

Now russia invades Georgia over that?
Putin wants Communism back?
The Republic of Hobbes City (exiled), exists within Georgetpwn
DEFCON 5 4 3 2 1
Defense Minister of Novus Licentia Terra
The Republic of Hobbes City, composed of:
The Hobbes City Holding State of Georgetpwn
The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
The Colony of Suvree
The Pacific Territory of Ferdinando Marcos

User avatar
United Russian State
Minister
 
Posts: 2897
Founded: Jul 03, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby United Russian State » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:40 pm

NATO put their forces in Serbia. I can't wait to see how you justify that but not NO.

How do you justify NATO forces in NO.

Hoe do you justify American forces in Iraq.

What about Afghanstian. Using your logic NATO can't invade them just because a few thousand Amercains died. Your logic dosent care about Russian lives so what makes Amercain lives worth more?

Georgia was the agressor and NATO supports them killing Russians. Maybe we should give dNorth Koreas a few long range missiles. Who cares if they kill Amercains? They don't care about Russian lives. So why should we care about theirs?
Defcon: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5)
State of War: Chernobyl-Pripyat
Establish Embassy in URS
URS Economy Information
Join Pan-Slavic Union State!
My long term plan is to contribute to globally warming as much as possible so my grandchildren can live in a world that is a few degrees warmer and where there is new coast land being created every day.- The Scandinvans

The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions-Omnicracy

NO ONE is poor and suffering in the US- they're pretending that while rollicking in welfare money-Pythria

User avatar
Georgetpwn
Diplomat
 
Posts: 664
Founded: Sep 18, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Georgetpwn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:41 pm

you know, i do wonder what the state run propagana news orgs feed you.
The Republic of Hobbes City (exiled), exists within Georgetpwn
DEFCON 5 4 3 2 1
Defense Minister of Novus Licentia Terra
The Republic of Hobbes City, composed of:
The Hobbes City Holding State of Georgetpwn
The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
The Colony of Suvree
The Pacific Territory of Ferdinando Marcos

User avatar
Chernobyl-Pripyat
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1662
Founded: Apr 02, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Chernobyl-Pripyat » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:43 pm

Georgetpwn wrote:you know, i do wonder what the state run propagana news orgs feed you.


what do yours feed you? you obviously don't know the reason WHY we went into Georgia.

User avatar
United Russian State
Minister
 
Posts: 2897
Founded: Jul 03, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby United Russian State » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:45 pm

Georgetpwn wrote:you know, i do wonder what the state run propagana news orgs feed you.


We are mindless people. we just beleave what we are told...

Wait....that sounds like Amercia not Russia.

Where are those WMDs in Iraq?
Defcon: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5)
State of War: Chernobyl-Pripyat
Establish Embassy in URS
URS Economy Information
Join Pan-Slavic Union State!
My long term plan is to contribute to globally warming as much as possible so my grandchildren can live in a world that is a few degrees warmer and where there is new coast land being created every day.- The Scandinvans

The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions-Omnicracy

NO ONE is poor and suffering in the US- they're pretending that while rollicking in welfare money-Pythria

User avatar
Belschaft
Minister
 
Posts: 2408
Founded: Mar 19, 2008
Civil Rights Lovefest

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Belschaft » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:47 pm

NATO put their forces in Serbia. I can't wait to see how you justify that but not NO.

Well that whole Balkans war thing with the genocide....

How do you justify NATO forces in NO.

Question, what does NO stand for?

Hoe do you justify American forces in Iraq.

What about Afghanstian. Using your logic NATO can't invade them just because a few thousand Amercains died. Your logic dosent care about Russian lives so what makes Amercain lives worth more?

I'm not going to try to justify Iraq/Afghansitan. I'm anti war on terror. But the US/Coalition/UN didn't claim that Iraq/Afghnaistan invaded them. They had overwelming international support, at least for Afghanistan, if not to the same degree for Iraq. Hell they had a UN mandate to topple the Taliban. The comparison doesn't work.

Georgia was the agressor and NATO supports them killing Russians. Maybe we should give dNorth Koreas a few long range missiles. Who cares if they kill Amercains? They don't care about Russian lives. So why should we care about theirs?

Utter cock. Georgia was not the aggresor. No one seriosauly bellieves they where asside from Russian nationalists, and then largely dur to propoganda. The whole 'They don't care about Russian lives' bit is nosensical and irelevant. America's actions, real or claimed, don't change the illegality of the Russian invasion.
You will never be happy if you continue to search for what happiness consists of.
You will never live if you are looking for the meaning of life.

User avatar
Georgetpwn
Diplomat
 
Posts: 664
Founded: Sep 18, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Georgetpwn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:48 pm

i agree.
The Republic of Hobbes City (exiled), exists within Georgetpwn
DEFCON 5 4 3 2 1
Defense Minister of Novus Licentia Terra
The Republic of Hobbes City, composed of:
The Hobbes City Holding State of Georgetpwn
The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
The Colony of Suvree
The Pacific Territory of Ferdinando Marcos

User avatar
Belschaft
Minister
 
Posts: 2408
Founded: Mar 19, 2008
Civil Rights Lovefest

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Belschaft » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:51 pm

Chernobyl-Pripyat wrote:
Georgetpwn wrote:you know, i do wonder what the state run propagana news orgs feed you.


what do yours feed you? you obviously don't know the reason WHY we went into Georgia.

Wich was?
You will never be happy if you continue to search for what happiness consists of.
You will never live if you are looking for the meaning of life.

User avatar
Chernobyl-Pripyat
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1662
Founded: Apr 02, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Chernobyl-Pripyat » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:00 pm

Belschaft wrote:
Chernobyl-Pripyat wrote:
Georgetpwn wrote:you know, i do wonder what the state run propagana news orgs feed you.


what do yours feed you? you obviously don't know the reason WHY we went into Georgia.

Wich was?



When they attacked Tskhinvali, they deliberately fired on the peacekeeper's garrison with tanks and such. This, if I'm not mistaken is grounds for war. The civil population was also hit with rocket attacks, without any warning.

User avatar
Belschaft
Minister
 
Posts: 2408
Founded: Mar 19, 2008
Civil Rights Lovefest

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Belschaft » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:04 pm

Chernobyl-Pripyat wrote:When they attacked Tskhinvali, they deliberately fired on the peacekeeper's garrison with tanks and such. This, if I'm not mistaken is grounds for war. The civil population was also hit with rocket attacks, without any warning.

Any chance of some links to independant sources for those?

Or alternatively, tell me, did any of that happen inside South Ossetia?
You will never be happy if you continue to search for what happiness consists of.
You will never live if you are looking for the meaning of life.

User avatar
United Russian State
Minister
 
Posts: 2897
Founded: Jul 03, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby United Russian State » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:10 pm

Sorry I ment to put SO (South Ossetia)
Defcon: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5)
State of War: Chernobyl-Pripyat
Establish Embassy in URS
URS Economy Information
Join Pan-Slavic Union State!
My long term plan is to contribute to globally warming as much as possible so my grandchildren can live in a world that is a few degrees warmer and where there is new coast land being created every day.- The Scandinvans

The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions-Omnicracy

NO ONE is poor and suffering in the US- they're pretending that while rollicking in welfare money-Pythria

User avatar
Chernobyl-Pripyat
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1662
Founded: Apr 02, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Chernobyl-Pripyat » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:12 pm

Belschaft wrote:
Chernobyl-Pripyat wrote:When they attacked Tskhinvali, they deliberately fired on the peacekeeper's garrison with tanks and such. This, if I'm not mistaken is grounds for war. The civil population was also hit with rocket attacks, without any warning.

Any chance of some links to independant sources for those?

Or alternatively, tell me, did any of that happen inside South Ossetia?



Tskhinvali is the South Ossetian capital.

User avatar
Georgetpwn
Diplomat
 
Posts: 664
Founded: Sep 18, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Georgetpwn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:15 pm

it's all lies so russia can occupy Georgia and so russia can turn it into a Soviet Socialist Republic
The Republic of Hobbes City (exiled), exists within Georgetpwn
DEFCON 5 4 3 2 1
Defense Minister of Novus Licentia Terra
The Republic of Hobbes City, composed of:
The Hobbes City Holding State of Georgetpwn
The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
The Colony of Suvree
The Pacific Territory of Ferdinando Marcos

User avatar
Jbeil
Minister
 
Posts: 2288
Founded: May 14, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Jbeil » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:15 pm

OK,look I'm an American,and a strong defender of America,so don't think I'm trying to defend Russia.But I would like to stop this whole fight about the Georgian conflict.I am quoting from Wikipedia:''NATO officials interviewed by Der Spiegel believed that the Georgians had started the conflict. The officials treated the exchanges of fire in the preceding days as minor events and didn't see them as a justification for Georgian war preparations. The NATO experts however did not question the Georgian claim that the Russians had provoked them by sending their troops through the Roki Tunnel. But their evaluation of the facts was dominated by skepticism that these were the true reasons for Saakashvili's actions.[42].''And to say the truth the Foreign Affairs Committee in the united states house of representatives itself said that Georgia started the conflict.To further my cause I would prefer if you would go and search in Wikipedia for 2008 South Ossetia war.And see what they say about the Responsibility for the war and motives.But I am not saying that the Russians are angels and they have done nothing wrong,Russia must have done some of the things that the Georgians claimed they did,and who knows they might have(though unlikely)started the war.
La République Jbeili
Liberté,Égalité,Prospérité

Demonym:Jbeili.
DEFCON: 1; 2; 3; 4; [5]
I RP with a population of 4,000,000,000.
In a Union with the Principality of Menaton and the Theocracy of -Albi.
Establish an embassy:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=102284
Join the Jbeili Francophonie:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=99496
Join the Jbeili Foreign Legion:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71952

User avatar
Cosmopoles
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5541
Founded: Sep 24, 2007
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Cosmopoles » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:16 pm

The Russian people have traded ever increasing state control for prosperity. However Putin hasn't built an economic powerhouse, he has built an unsustainable petrostate. When the prosperity vanishes, will he concede defeat peacefully or use the control he now has to repress dissent?

User avatar
Eugene Zolo
Envoy
 
Posts: 331
Founded: Jun 02, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Eugene Zolo » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:24 pm

Somehow I feel Putin will remain as the leader of Russia for a while, whether it'll be through the extension of term limits or perhaps even the creation of new leadership positions such as chancellor and chairman.

User avatar
United Russian State
Minister
 
Posts: 2897
Founded: Jul 03, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby United Russian State » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:26 pm

Georgetpwn wrote:it's all lies so russia can occupy Georgia and so russia can turn it into a Soviet Socialist Republic


Do people in the west use their brains?

Russians were killed by Georgia. Russia didn't provoke Georgia. South Ossetia didn't provoke Georgia. They killed our people in cold blood.

If we wanted to take over Georgia we could of. The turth is we didn't. We just wanted to protect our people. But what did the west do? Supported Georgia and keeps giving them weapons. NATO dosent give a damn about Russian lives.

Well if this is the logic NATO wants to use that is fine. We will use the same.

I hear North Korea needs rockets to reach Amercia. Let's give them some of ours. Amercains not care about other peoples lives so why should we care about theirs.

You want war NAziTO you got it. Russia will be ready. Russia always wins. We defeated all the so called world powers that tried to invade us and they all lost. NATO will fall just like they did.
Defcon: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5)
State of War: Chernobyl-Pripyat
Establish Embassy in URS
URS Economy Information
Join Pan-Slavic Union State!
My long term plan is to contribute to globally warming as much as possible so my grandchildren can live in a world that is a few degrees warmer and where there is new coast land being created every day.- The Scandinvans

The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions-Omnicracy

NO ONE is poor and suffering in the US- they're pretending that while rollicking in welfare money-Pythria

User avatar
Eugene Zolo
Envoy
 
Posts: 331
Founded: Jun 02, 2009
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Eugene Zolo » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:31 pm

United Russian State wrote:
Georgetpwn wrote:you know, i do wonder what the state run propagana news orgs feed you.


We are mindless people. we just beleave what we are told...

Wait....that sounds like Amercia not Russia.

Where are those WMDs in Iraq?


No, no, its Russia alright, not Amercia.

User avatar
Georgetpwn
Diplomat
 
Posts: 664
Founded: Sep 18, 2008
Ex-Nation

Re: To what degree is Medvedev Putin's (sock) puppet?

Postby Georgetpwn » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:33 pm

United Russian State wrote:
Georgetpwn wrote:it's all lies so russia can occupy Georgia and so russia can turn it into a Soviet Socialist Republic


Do people in the west use their brains?

Russians were killed by Georgia. Russia didn't provoke Georgia. South Ossetia didn't provoke Georgia. They killed our people in cold blood.

If we wanted to take over Georgia we could of. The turth is we didn't. We just wanted to protect our people. But what did the west do? Supported Georgia and keeps giving them weapons. NATO dosent give a damn about Russian lives.

Well if this is the logic NATO wants to use that is fine. We will use the same.

I hear North Korea needs rockets to reach Amercia. Let's give them some of ours. Amercains not care about other peoples lives so why should we care about theirs.

You want war NAziTO you got it. Russia will be ready. Russia always wins. We defeated all the so called world powers that tried to invade us and they all lost. NATO will fall just like they did.


so South Ossetia is now a part of russia? since when?
also, the Soviet Union lost the Cold War.
Russia won't give rockets to north korea because China will complain and go against Russia
The Republic of Hobbes City (exiled), exists within Georgetpwn
DEFCON 5 4 3 2 1
Defense Minister of Novus Licentia Terra
The Republic of Hobbes City, composed of:
The Hobbes City Holding State of Georgetpwn
The People's Republic of M1 Helmet
The Protectorate of The Republic of Lanos
The Colony of Suvree
The Pacific Territory of Ferdinando Marcos

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: American Legionaries, Andsed, Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, Based Illinois, Corporate Collective Salvation, Dimetrodon Empire, Ethel mermania, Google [Bot], La Xinga, Necroghastia, New Temecula, Rusozak, Supaskar, Techocracy101010, The Embassy 3, The marxist plains, The Rio Grande River Basin, Vistulange, Wickedly evil people

Advertisement

Remove ads