Why can't we all just compromise?

[Angleter]

[Let me put it in this way than.

Most people from western nations (NATO) have the thinking "I am right, you are worng. Fuck off." They cannot compromise with their own (look at Amercia) or others from differnt cultures.

Lets turn this into an America bashing party OK?

Actually, it's a NATO bashing party apparently.

So, apparently, most people in Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, and United States have the thinking of "I am right, you are worng. Fuck off."

Now, the ultimate question is, what does "worng" mean?

'Worng' is what you are. I am right. You are 'Worng'. Fuck off.

[Kormanthor]

[Let me put it in this way than.

Most people from western nations (NATO) have the thinking "I am right, you are worng. Fuck off." They cannot compromise with their own (look at Amercia) or others from differnt cultures.

Lets turn this into an America bashing party OK?

Actually, it's a NATO bashing party apparently.

So, apparently, most people in Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, and United States have the thinking of "I am right, you are worng. Fuck off."

Now, the ultimate question is, what does "worng" mean?

If you truely don't know the meaning of wrong, I suggest you read the Bible.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The thing is that I believe we could all reach a compromise in these subjects if... we stopped being all about I'm right/you're wrong mentality.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

[Let me put it in this way than.

Most people from western nations (NATO) have the thinking "I am right, you are worng. Fuck off." They cannot compromise with their own (look at Amercia) or others from differnt cultures.

Lets turn this into an America bashing party OK?

Actually, it's a NATO bashing party apparently.

So, apparently, most people in Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom, and United States have the thinking of "I am right, you are worng. Fuck off."

Now, the ultimate question is, what does "worng" mean?

Maybe ...wrong. God I hate it when people make a big thing of a spelling mistake

[Getbrett]

Excuse me, I'm talking about personal experiences not things in my mind. So, my world view is from how I have been treated. Your right, it is pathetic to judge all people from one group because of how the majority of people I have met from that group have treated me. I don't believe I am being persecuted, I know I am being persecuted. And you don't even know one thing about persecution, gays have it way better off than I do. Everyone bends over backwards for gay marriage but stands hard against equal employment protection of transsexuals. Straights, Gays, and Bisexuals are for the most part Transphobic, this too is based on personal experience.

All of this may well be true. However, it has nothing to do with what you're proposing in the opening post. Nothing. The fact that you brought it back to this topic, even when it's largely unrelated, reeks of a persecution complex. Make your argument without appealing to irrelevant emotion and perhaps I'll listen.

It is related to you saying that what blacks have isn't preferential treatment, it's equal treatment. I was disproving a lie that you seem to believe. I'm not appealing to irrelevant emotion, I am simply saying that blacks do get preferential treatment and there should have been a compromise.

No, blacks are given equal treatment, and you are NOT given equal treatment. There is a HUGE difference here, and your error is based upon your warped view of the world.

[Kormanthor]

South East Europe never answered my question.

[Cameroi]

part of the problem here is defining things in mutually exclusionary terms. sometimes this IS completely and artifact of language, even the manipulation of language to that end. i see all these names of ideologies as something of that sort. same goes to some degree for sprituality and beliefs.

on the other paw, a few of the things mentioned ARE inhierently exclusionary.
a fetus for example is, i would think, either alive or dead.

some of the other things mentioned, one or two of them maybe, i forget already which, might be like that. but most of the others, it's more a matter of sanity then compromise between extremes.

really objective good sense is often completely skew and not even related to a line drawn between extremes, or any place on it, ends, middle or anywhere.

like with the fetus thing we need to think of long term implications.
like what kind of life an unwanted child has growing up and what kind of world its like to live in if everyone were forced to have to be born who would have been.

and as for ideologies, do we really NEED any of them at all?

what if we could just make the best decisions on an instance by instance and context by context basis without the interference of ideological fanatacisms of ANY flavor. personally i think we'd be living in a MUCH safer AND happier world for ALL of us, were we to do so.

[United Russian State]

[Let me put it in this way than.

Most people from western nations (NATO) have the thinking "I am right, you are worng. Fuck off." They cannot compromise with their own (look at Amercia) or others from differnt cultures.

Lets not turn this into an America bashing party OK?

I didn't say ALL. Just 90% of the people from the west seem to think like this. And their leaders, elected by them. It is not just America but NATO.

[Galloism]

If you truely don't know the meaning of wrong, I suggest you read the Bible.

A) I was making fun of the spelling mistake. I don't know what "worng" means because it's not a word.

B) I have read the Bible, cover to cover, 6 times, and once upon a time I was a minister. Don't assume. How many times have you read it?

[South East Europe]

Pro-"Life" or Pro-"Choice"? There is a compromise is there not? Aye, No partial birth abortions. Some, however, will not accept any abortions.
Anti-Homosexual "Marriage" or Pro-Homosexual "Marriage"? There is a compromise is there not? No. The only possible argument against this violates the separation of church and state.
Socialism or Capitalism? Fascism or Communism? There is a compromise is there not? No. I will not accept a psuedo-fascist or psuedo-Capitalist state.
Unisex Restrooms or Binary Restrooms? There is a compromise is there not? Allow both?
Fiscal Responsibility or Liberal Spending? There is a compromise. No. Massive debt is not something we should incur in a time of relative peace.
Environment Conservation or Environmental Preservation or Environmental Destruction? There is a compromise. Meh.
Dangerous Substances or No Dangerous Substances? There is a compromise. ...
Healthcare Reform or Anti-Healthcare Reform? There is a compromise. Yeah, Healthcare reform guided but not controlled by the government.

Wrong about Homosexual "Marriage". I said no argument against that. I said a compromise. Also, it wouldn''t violate separation of church and state. For example, my sister is against Homosexual "Marriage" and she is an athiest. Right about everthing else in my opinion of course, I'm open to compromise.

[Kormanthor]

If the child being aborted had a vote here ... what do you think the vote would be?

[Brogavia]

[Let me put it in this way than.

Most people from western nations (NATO) have the thinking "I am right, you are worng. Fuck off." They cannot compromise with their own (look at Amercia) or others from differnt cultures.

Lets not turn this into an America bashing party OK?

I didn't say ALL. Just 90% of the people from the west seem to think like this. And their leaders, elected by them. It is not just America but NATO.

Well, then that means 90% of people from the west are correct.

[Hamilay]

Aha, found it.



That about sums up my feelings on this matter.

[Brogavia]

If the child being aborted had a vote here ... what do you think the vote would be?

Cut the cord and give me milk?

[Galloism]

If the child being aborted had a vote here ... what do you think the vote would be?

I need a kidney to live. The government is going to force you to give me one of yours so I can.

That cool with you?

[Angleter]

If the child being aborted had a vote here ... what do you think the vote would be?

Socialist Labour Party.

[Galloism]

If the child being aborted had a vote here ... what do you think the vote would be?

Socialist Labour Party.

Win.

[South East Europe]

It is related to you saying that what blacks have isn't preferential treatment, it's equal treatment. I was disproving a lie that you seem to believe. I'm not appealing to irrelevant emotion, I am simply saying that blacks do get preferential treatment and there should have been a compromise.

No, blacks are given equal treatment, and you are NOT given equal treatment. There is a HUGE difference here, and your error is based upon your warped view of the world.

In my city, blacks are given preferential treatment. In my experiences, blacks are given preferential treatment. In most "liberal" cities I have been, blacks are given preferential treatment. In most united states I have been, blacks are given preferential treatment. I have been to 42 out of the entire 50 states of the united states. They are not given equal treatment and treated like gods. I am not given equal treatment and treated like a slave.

[Conserative Morality]

Wrong about Homosexual "Marriage". I said no argument against that. I said a compromise. Also, it wouldn''t violate separation of church and state. For example, my sister is against Homosexual "Marriage" and she is an athiest. Right about everthing else in my opinion of course, I'm open to compromise.

If she's against homosexual marriage, I'd like to hear her reasoning without involving God, or the massive amount of fundies in this country.

[Northwest Slobovia]

And yes that does help a lot, thank you. Well, it would depend on the persons definition of a compromise.

You're welcome. You may be thinking of the difference between compromising on positions -- what we're going to do -- vs compromising on principles -- the reasons we do things. If so, you should read Fisher and Ury's Getting to Yes, which is a thin (150 page) book about how people negotiate and why sometimes agreement (compromise) is impossible. It's a fast read; when I first read it years ago it took only a few hours.

[Getbrett]

It is related to you saying that what blacks have isn't preferential treatment, it's equal treatment. I was disproving a lie that you seem to believe. I'm not appealing to irrelevant emotion, I am simply saying that blacks do get preferential treatment and there should have been a compromise.

No, blacks are given equal treatment, and you are NOT given equal treatment. There is a HUGE difference here, and your error is based upon your warped view of the world.

In my city, blacks are given preferential treatment. In my experiences, blacks are given preferential treatment. In most "liberal" cities I have been, blacks are given preferential treatment. In most united states I have been, blacks are given preferential treatment. I have been to 42 out of the entire 50 states of the united states. They are not given equal treatment and treated like gods. I am not given equal treatment and treated like a slave.

What the fuck are you babbling about? Black people are treated like gods? You're living in a fantasy land. These words you're spouting bare no reflection on reality.

[Ashmoria]

I am vehemantly against "seperate but equal", I am just saying that such a compromise could be worked out not that I would agree with such a compromise.

oh

well then

a sucky compromise doesnt defend your position well. it would be better to propose a compromise that you think of as the best possible choice.

I would not agree with such a compromise but I would not oppose it. I would compromise, thus I would be neutral about it. So not what I think of being the best choice, what we all reach in a compromise.

then you illustrate why compromise is a bad idea. a bad outcome makes compromise wrong.

[South East Europe]

I need a kidney to live. The government is going to force you to give me one of yours so I can.

That cool with you?

Absolutely, I have 6 years or less to live anyways. What do I care? Oh wait, my organs can't be transplanted because of the degenerative state of my physical disability. I know you weren't talking to be, but eh.

[Galloism]

I need a kidney to live. The government is going to force you to give me one of yours so I can.

That cool with you?

Absolutely, I have 6 years or less to live anyways. What do I care? Oh wait, my organs can't be transplanted because of the degenerative state of my physical disability. I know you weren't talking to be, but eh.

Stop ruining a perfectly good reductio ad absurdum argument.

[Getbrett]

I need a kidney to live. The government is going to force you to give me one of yours so I can.

That cool with you?

Absolutely, I have 6 years or less to live anyways. What do I care? Oh wait, my organs can't be transplanted because of the degenerative state of my physical disability. I know you weren't talking to be, but eh.

Stop ruining a perfectly good reductio ad absurdum argument.

South East Europe is a reductio ad absurdum argument.