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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Kormanthor » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:29 pm

The Cat-Tribe wrote:

Assuming that this is what "Jesus" said or what Jesus says is relevant to anything, your own statement means that Jesus "knows" beings BEFORE THEY ARE CONCEIVED. Presumably, Jesus knows them after their bodies are dead too. How does this mean abortion should be banned?


Because One of the Ten Commandments is:

Thou shall not Kill
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby The Tofu Islands » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:29 pm

Kormanthor wrote:Does two wrongs make a right. :eyebrow:

Could you actually get to the point and say what you're trying to say instead of posting vague and un-understandable sentences?
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:30 pm

Kormanthor wrote: Because One of the Ten Commandments is:

Thou shall not Kill

Murder. Thou shalt not murder.
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby No Names Left Damn It » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:30 pm

Kormanthor wrote:Does two wrongs make a right. :eyebrow:


Does that have anything to do with what I said? And anyway, quite often the answer is yes.
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:31 pm

Kormanthor wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:

Assuming that this is what "Jesus" said or what Jesus says is relevant to anything, your own statement means that Jesus "knows" beings BEFORE THEY ARE CONCEIVED. Presumably, Jesus knows them after their bodies are dead too. How does this mean abortion should be banned?


Because One of the Ten Commandments is:

Thou shall not Kill


Shall not kill what?

Do you eat meat?

Do you eat vegetables?

You must be an unrepentant sinner.
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby The Tofu Islands » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:31 pm

Kormanthor wrote: Because One of the Ten Commandments is:

[b] Thou shall not Kill [/i]

Wow, tag fail...

This makes no difference for people who aren't Christians.

Also, does the embryo have a right to use its mother's body?
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby No Names Left Damn It » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:32 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Murder. Thou shalt not murder.


No no, it's kill. Which just makes the Bible even more self-contradictory.
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby No Names Left Damn It » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:32 pm

The Tofu Islands wrote:Also, does the embryo have a right to use its mother's body?


I would say yes. I would also say the mother has the right to remove said embryo.
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:32 pm

No Names Left Damn It wrote:No no, it's kill. Which just makes the Bible even more self-contradictory.

The Bible is self-contradictory, but the commandment in question is thou shalt not murder.
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Kormanthor » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:33 pm

The Tofu Islands wrote: Could you actually get to the point and say what you're trying to say instead of posting vague and un-understandable sentences?


I'll clear it up for you;

I'm asking does that make the Bible untrue just because you all don't believe in it.?

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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Neo Art » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:34 pm

Kormanthor wrote:
The Tofu Islands wrote: Could you actually get to the point and say what you're trying to say instead of posting vague and un-understandable sentences?


I'll clear it up for you;

I'm asking does that make the Bible untrue just because you all don't believe in it.?


Let me clear it up further for you. Is the bible true, just because you believe in it?
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Postby No Names Left Damn It » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:35 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:The Bible is self-contradictory, but the commandment in question is thou shalt not murder.


Well, the Bibles I've read say "Thou shalt not kill."
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby The Tofu Islands » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:35 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:The Bible is self-contradictory, but the commandment in question is thou shalt not murder.

I thought it was kill... GnI, if you're about, could you give us a hand?

Kormanthor wrote: I'll clear it up for you;

I'm asking does that make the Bible untrue just because you all don't believe in it.?

The Bible is already not all true, since parts of it are contradictory.
What I'm saying is that the Bible is irrelevant if you don't believe in it.
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:35 pm

Kormanthor wrote:
The Tofu Islands wrote: Could you actually get to the point and say what you're trying to say instead of posting vague and un-understandable sentences?


I'll clear it up for you;

I'm asking does that make the Bible untrue just because you all don't believe in it.?


Christianity is just one of several major religions. Religion, as a general rule, does not make for good political decisions.
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Kormanthor » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:35 pm

It is True regardless

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Postby The Tofu Islands » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:36 pm

Kormanthor wrote:It is True regardless

What's your proof?
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby No Names Left Damn It » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:36 pm

Kormanthor wrote:I'm asking does that make the Bible untrue just because you all don't believe in it.?


Does you believing in the Bible make it true?

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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:36 pm

Kormanthor wrote:
The Tofu Islands wrote: Could you actually get to the point and say what you're trying to say instead of posting vague and un-understandable sentences?


I'll clear it up for you;

I'm asking does that make the Bible untrue just because you all don't believe in it.?


I have a note here that says you should send me all your money and cut off your big toe.

Is my note untrue just because you don't believe in it?
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:37 pm

No Names Left Damn It wrote:Well, the Bibles I've read say "Thou shalt not kill."

Exodus 20: 13 "You shall not murder"
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby The Cat-Tribe » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:37 pm

Kormanthor wrote:It is True regardless


How convenient.

Too bad even your precious Bible doesn't declare abortion murder. To the contrary, in fact.
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The Cat-Tribe wrote:With that, I am done with these shenanigans. Do as thou wilt.

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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Neo Art » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:38 pm

Moreover, I love the circular logic that goes on in these arguments:

"if you were a fetus who was about to be aborted, would you want to die?"

"if I were a fetus, I would lack a sufficiently developed neural system and wouldn't be able to comprehend the question, let alone my own mortality"

"but if you WERE?"

"if I did have a sufficiently developed neural system? Then I wouldn't be a fetus"

"but if you WERE a fetus and COULD understand the question, would you want to die?"

"well no, I suppose I wouldn't. But then again, if a fetus did have that level of understanding, the question would be rather different. But they don't"

"but if they did, you'd be against abortion?"

"well I wouldn't say I would be against it per se, but it would be a more interesting question. Suffice to say, for the purposes of this, yes, I'll admit, that if all the laws of biology and human development changed radically so that a fetus could think I'd probably requestion my stance on abortion"

"A HA! so you admit abortion is wrong!"
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Neo Art » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:38 pm

Kormanthor wrote:It is True regardless


No it isn't.


See what I just did there?
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby Ifreann » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:39 pm

Kormanthor wrote:
The Cat-Tribe wrote:

Assuming that this is what "Jesus" said or what Jesus says is relevant to anything, your own statement means that Jesus "knows" beings BEFORE THEY ARE CONCEIVED. Presumably, Jesus knows them after their bodies are dead too. How does this mean abortion should be banned?


Because One of the Ten Commandments is:

Thou shall not Kill

Another one is "Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife". Should that be illegal too?
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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby You-Gi-Owe » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:40 pm

South East Europe wrote:Here is my dilemma!
Pro-"Life" or Pro-"Choice"? There is a compromise is there not?
Anti-Homosexual "Marriage" or Pro-Homosexual "Marriage"? There is a compromise is there not?
Socialism or Capitalism? Fascism or Communism? There is a compromise is there not?
Unisex Restrooms or Binary Restrooms? There is a compromise is there not?
Fiscal Responsibility or Liberal Spending? There is a compromise.
Environment Conservation or Environmental Preservation or Environmental Destruction? There is a compromise.
Dangerous Substances or No Dangerous Substances? There is a compromise.
Healthcare Reform or Anti-Healthcare Reform? There is a compromise.
So since there is a compromise for nearly everything that people make a serious issue, I ask you this, why can't we all just compromise?


"Pro-Life" generally means that more than one person survives the abortion proceedure.
"Pro-Male and Female Marriage" generally means the natural creation of children into a stable envionment.
"Capitalism" generally means a person earns their own way and starts their family members on their own way.
"Fascism" and "Communism" are not mutually exclusive terms.
Environmental Conservation does not mean Non-Use of the environment
"Healthcare Reform" does not entitle you to demand your neighbor pay for your healthcare, nor should it deprive you for getting the best healthcare you can afford.

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Re: Why can't we all just compromise?

Postby No Names Left Damn It » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:40 pm

The Tofu Islands wrote:I thought it was kill... GnI, if you're about, could you give us a hand?


Well, my Bible says thou shalt not kill at Exodus 20:13 and again thou shalt not kill at Deuteronomy 6:17.
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