Liberal: Dumb Fool or Intelligent-Minded Person?

[Free Soviets]

The primary difference between liberals and conservatives is that most liberals care about petty nonsense rather than the larger picture,... When is the last time you have seen a lib waving an American flag...

Yep. Liberals care about petty nonsense...

remember when all the liberals freaked out about how bush ordered a burger with mustard on it? fucking classic.

[United Russian State]

I am. I was born in North Ossetia, Vladikavkaz. What should I know better? That communsim is better? I don't get what you are getting at.

You should be aware that America is hardly dangling on the edge of communism. We expect that kind of rhetoric from ivory tower conservatives who think Canada is an exotic location and Europe is 'quaint'. From someone who has actually lived in Russia, it should be obvious that America is about as communistic as Siberia is tropical.

I never said Amercia was communism. If you think I did than you mistaken something I worte or I wrote something in a way that sounded like I thought Amercia was communism.

[Grays Harbor]

whereas anyone who has biased partisan thought about it can see that liberals delude themselves into believing conservatives don't even like bare equality before the law, let alone equal opportunity.

amended for accuracy


see how silly that sounds? just a silly as it was before "amendement"

tell me, which side is in favor of 'disappearing' people?
game over, man. gamer over.

though hardly worth a response, I will anyhow. both wacko ends of the political spectrum engage in such lunacy. Right-wing nutjobs call them "death squads", left-wing nutjobs call it "liberation". the end result is the same, people dead in the name of politics.

so, go ahead an continue to engage in sophomoric generalizations, its amusing to watch.

[Farnhamia]

The primary difference between liberals and conservatives is that most liberals care about petty nonsense rather than the larger picture,... When is the last time you have seen a lib waving an American flag...

Yep. Liberals care about petty nonsense...

Petty nonsense like civil rights, Social Security, Medicare, rural electrification, the establishment of a minimum wage, collective bargaining, the Pure Food and Drug Act, and federal aid to education, including the land-grant colleges.

[Grave_n_idle]

The primary difference between liberals and conservatives is that most liberals care about petty nonsense rather than the larger picture,... When is the last time you have seen a lib waving an American flag...

Yep. Liberals care about petty nonsense...

Petty nonsense like civil rights, Social Security, Medicare, rural electrification, the establishment of a minimum wage, collective bargaining, the Pure Food and Drug Act, and federal aid to education, including the land-grant colleges.

I know. Why don't they get involved in the real issues?

Parthenon's right. Stop all this humanitarian crap and fixing the economy, and make people wave more flags, dammit.

[Grays Harbor]

The primary difference between liberals and conservatives is that most liberals care about petty nonsense rather than the larger picture,... When is the last time you have seen a lib waving an American flag...

Yep. Liberals care about petty nonsense...

Petty nonsense like the Pure Food and Drug Act, Land grant Colleges.

(red highlight) That was a republican that did that, Teddy Roosevelt, in 1906

(green highlight) That was also a republican, Abraham Lincoln, in 1862

not that it matters in the long run. but accuracy is nice.

[Vervaria]

Yep. Liberals care about petty nonsense...

Petty nonsense like the Pure Food and Drug Act, Land grant Colleges.

(red highlight) That was a republican that did that, Teddy Roosevelt, in 1906

(green highlight) That was also a republican, Abraham Lincoln, in 1862

not that it matters in the long run. but accuracy is nice.

Both of those presidents were quite progressive, indeed the Repubs were more liberal than the Dems back in Lincoln's time.

[Grave_n_idle]

I am. I was born in North Ossetia, Vladikavkaz. What should I know better? That communsim is better? I don't get what you are getting at.

You should be aware that America is hardly dangling on the edge of communism. We expect that kind of rhetoric from ivory tower conservatives who think Canada is an exotic location and Europe is 'quaint'. From someone who has actually lived in Russia, it should be obvious that America is about as communistic as Siberia is tropical.

I never said Amercia was communism. If you think I did than you mistaken something I worte or I wrote something in a way that sounded like I thought Amercia was communism.

Let's see: "Amercian socialism really isn't socialism... dosent Amercians on the left wing support the idea of the State helping all no matter what? If someone palys a negtive role in soicity the goverment won't care and will use recourses to help that person. That goes against the very idea of communsim... That is how real communsim is, it is not as great as Amercains make it seem..."

That certainly seems to suggest that you think America is somehow deeply mired in socialism, and maybe communist...

But, my favourite was this one: "When Amercia makes the same mistake Russia made I will try not to laugh... Even China was quick to learn that communism dose not work"

You certainly think America is CLOSE to falling into communism.

[Free Soviets]

tell me, which side is in favor of 'disappearing' people?
game over, man. game over.

though hardly worth a response, I will anyhow. both wacko ends of the political spectrum engage in such lunacy. Right-wing nutjobs call them "death squads", left-wing nutjobs call it "liberation". the end result is the same, people dead in the name of politics.

so, go ahead an continue to engage in sophomoric generalizations, its amusing to watch.

'wacko ends' including the entire republican congress and former presidential administration of USia, and a significant portion of the voting public?

if conservatives and liberals alike believe in equality before the law, then there ought be no difference in the level of opposition to the bush admin's policy of disappearing people into secret prisons for years on end. or, for that matter, any of the other sorts of detention without recourse they were so fond of. is it your claim that this is what we actually see in the world? in polls on the subject that break things out by liberals, moderates, and conservatives (the actual left in USia being barely worth noticing), do all of these group oppose such measures equally?

[Grave_n_idle]

The primary difference between liberals and conservatives is that most liberals care about petty nonsense rather than the larger picture,... When is the last time you have seen a lib waving an American flag...

Yep. Liberals care about petty nonsense...

remember when all the liberals freaked out about how bush ordered a burger with mustard on it? fucking classic.

I know, right?

Remember when liberals pissed their pants over Bush taking his wife out for a date?

[Grave_n_idle]

Yep. Liberals care about petty nonsense...

Petty nonsense like the Pure Food and Drug Act, Land grant Colleges.

(red highlight) That was a republican that did that, Teddy Roosevelt, in 1906

(green highlight) That was also a republican, Abraham Lincoln, in 1862

not that it matters in the long run. but accuracy is nice.

Oh dear. Someone played the 'confusing parties with the political spectrum' game.

[Free Soviets]

(red highlight) That was a republican that did that, Teddy Roosevelt, in 1906

(green highlight) That was also a republican, Abraham Lincoln, in 1862

not that it matters in the long run. but accuracy is nice.

republicans were historically the party of liberalism. then they were fairly well split. then they took on the racist fucktards of the south, drove out the moderates, and became the nutjob conservatives.

accuracy is nice, but it helps to actually be accurate.

[Farnhamia]

Petty nonsense like the Pure Food and Drug Act, Land grant Colleges.

(red highlight) That was a republican that did that, Teddy Roosevelt, in 1906

(green highlight) That was also a republican, Abraham Lincoln, in 1862

not that it matters in the long run. but accuracy is nice.

Both of those presidents were quite progressive, indeed the Repubs were arguably more liberal than the Dems back in Lincoln's time.

Quite right. I didn't say Democrats passed those, liberals did. TR and Lincoln, too, probably, would have been branded RINOs and cast out of the party of Rove, Cheney and Bush.

[Grays Harbor]

(red highlight) That was a republican that did that, Teddy Roosevelt, in 1906

(green highlight) That was also a republican, Abraham Lincoln, in 1862

not that it matters in the long run. but accuracy is nice.

Oh dear. Someone played the 'confusing parties with the political spectrum' game.

just can't admit when you make a slight error, can you?

[Vervaria]

Quite right. I didn't say Democrats passed those, liberals did. TR and Lincoln, too, probably, would have been branded RINOs and cast out of the party of Rove, Cheney and Bush.

Heck, they probably wouldn't even let Eisenhower and Ford into the modern party.

[Free Soviets]

remember when all the liberals freaked out about how bush ordered a burger with mustard on it? fucking classic.

I know, right?

Remember when liberals pissed their pants over Bush taking his wife out for a date?

ooh, ooh, remember when liberals wouldn't shut up about how bush refused to wear a flag pin 24/7?

[Grave_n_idle]

(red highlight) That was a republican that did that, Teddy Roosevelt, in 1906

(green highlight) That was also a republican, Abraham Lincoln, in 1862

not that it matters in the long run. but accuracy is nice.

Oh dear. Someone played the 'confusing parties with the political spectrum' game.

just can't admit when you make a slight error, can you?

It wasn't me that said it - I'm just pointing out YOUR error.

[Vervaria]

remember when all the liberals freaked out about how bush ordered a burger with mustard on it? fucking classic.

I know, right?

Remember when liberals pissed their pants over Bush taking his wife out for a date?

ooh, ooh, remember when liberals wouldn't shut up about how bush refused to wear a flag pin 24/7?

Remember how they thought he was friends with terrorists?

[Grays Harbor]

TR and Lincoln, too, probably, would have been branded RINOs and cast out of the party of Rove, Cheney and Bush.

which is one of the many reasons I think TR is one of the best we have ever had.

[Grays Harbor]

It wasn't me that said it - I'm just pointing out YOUR error.

I made no error.

[Farnhamia]

I know, right?

Remember when liberals pissed their pants over Bush taking his wife out for a date?

ooh, ooh, remember when liberals wouldn't shut up about how bush refused to wear a flag pin 24/7?

Remember how they thought he was friends with terrorists?

And all the hoopla over his birth certificate?

[Grave_n_idle]

remember when all the liberals freaked out about how bush ordered a burger with mustard on it? fucking classic.

I know, right?

Remember when liberals pissed their pants over Bush taking his wife out for a date?

ooh, ooh, remember when liberals wouldn't shut up about how bush refused to wear a flag pin 24/7?

Or when EVERY discussion had to mention Bush's teleprompter...

[Vervaria]

And all the hoopla over his birth certificate?

And all that fuss about him being a secret Muslim?

[Farnhamia]

It wasn't me that said it - I'm just pointing out YOUR error.

I made no error.

My post with the list echoed GnI's reply to you about liberals caring only about petty nonsense. I made no mention of parties, you're the one who brought them in. I simply listed some advancements in American society that were passed by liberals over conservation objections.

[Ashmoria]

I've heard many times by conservative commentators constant argument against liberals, who they consider buffons. As an Centrist Democrat, I think it is unfair, but then again i haven't fully seen liberal commentating either? I want see what you guys think, both arguments are welcome.

it seems to me that conservatives who consider liberals to be buffoons are themselves cynics who find any desire to improve society ludicrous.

sometimes a thoughtful person ends up a liberal, sometimes they end up as a conservative. it depends on the person and the thoughts, eh?