Liberal: Dumb Fool or Intelligent-Minded Person?

[Farnhamia]

And all the hoopla over his birth certificate?

And all that fuss about him being a secret Muslim?

That goes along with the way he greeted the Saudi king.

[Free Soviets]

Remember when liberals pissed their pants over Bush taking his wife out for a date?

ooh, ooh, remember when liberals wouldn't shut up about how bush refused to wear a flag pin 24/7?

Remember how they thought he was friends with terrorists?

that one got even better when columnists from one of the biggest and most respected (within the movement) liberal journals spent months writing articles attempting to show that bush's book was actually ghostwritten by his terrorist friends.

[Grave_n_idle]

It wasn't me that said it - I'm just pointing out YOUR error.

I made no error.

Remember way back in the last post, when you said to me: "just can't admit when you make a slight error, can you?"

And it turned out that you were actually making an error, because I hadn't said the original phrase?

Wouldn't it be ironic if your NEXT comment was "I made no error"?

Wouldn't it be doubly ironic if you HAD made an error, and I'D pointed it out to YOU, and then you had attacked me for never admitting my errors?

Ah, good times.


You 'corrected' someone for saying that liberals did so-and-so... by citing 'liberals'.

You, apparently, made the classic 'if it's Republican, it must be conservative' mistake.

[Neo Art]

And all the hoopla over his birth certificate?

And all that fuss about him being a secret Muslim?

That goes along with the way he greeted the Saudi king.

"lipstick on a pig" eh?

[Vervaria]

And all the hoopla over his birth certificate?

And all that fuss about him being a secret Muslim?

That goes along with the way he greeted the Saudi king.

Ah yes, I forgot that Bush betrayed America by bowing to the Saudi King.

Oh, and do you remember all the fuss about Bush's inexperience?

[Surote]

I'm a moderate Democrat I see Both liberals and conseratives are unitelligente on some points I just hate the fact conseratives thinks they have the better idea same thing for liberals.

[Grave_n_idle]

And all that fuss about him being a secret Muslim?

That goes along with the way he greeted the Saudi king.

"lipstick on a pig" eh?

I know... liberals hounded him for that comment, and it turned out one of their own had said it first...

[Ashmoria]

I will say dumb fool. They go against the very thing they are for.

Correct me if I am worng, but the left in Amercia are for socialism right? Yet they seem to be more Individuals, not the country as a whole. Yet socialism is not about what is right for an indvidual but what is right for the countries as a whole. They also go on about human rights and how everyone is entilited to certain things but in communism and socialism there are not entilitements. If you want something you have to work for it. If you don't and do not play a postive role in soicity than you ae out of luck. You are seen as a waste and willl be left to die.

there are very few socialists in the US. what we consider "liberal" is "slightly more government involvement in creating a social safety net and in regulating big business". its not "make the masses live for the benefit of society"

[Farnhamia]

That goes along with the way he greeted the Saudi king.

"lipstick on a pig" eh?

I know... liberals hounded him for that comment, and it turned out one of their own had said it first...

It's not about Bush, but there's also those Liberal Media outlets that somehow always seem to get a liberal's party affiliation wrong whenever a liberal is involved in a scandal.

[United Russian State]

Let's see: "Amercian socialism really isn't socialism... dosent Amercians on the left wing support the idea of the State helping all no matter what? If someone palys a negtive role in soicity the goverment won't care and will use recourses to help that person. That goes against the very idea of communsim... That is how real communsim is, it is not as great as Amercains make it seem..."

That certainly seems to suggest that you think America is somehow deeply mired in socialism, and maybe communist...

But, my favourite was this one: "When Amercia makes the same mistake Russia made I will try not to laugh... Even China was quick to learn that communism dose not work"

You certainly think America is CLOSE to falling into communism.

Well the first part kinda proves my point more than yours. I said Amercain comuunism/socialism I said is very far off from what it really is. They took them and fucked them up more than they were already.

The left-wing in Amercia that does want communsim is just dumb and are blind to the fact countries that already tried it were worse off after trying it. The Amercains who want a Amercain type of Communsim are just as dumb. It hardly is communsim. They put indivalus needs before the common good of the country as a whole.

[Grave_n_idle]

"lipstick on a pig" eh?

I know... liberals hounded him for that comment, and it turned out one of their own had said it first...

It's not about Bush, but there's also those Liberal Media outlets that somehow always seem to get a liberal's party affiliation wrong whenever a liberal is involved in a scandal.

Right. The point is, though, and I want to reinforce this, liberals just concentrate on the pettiest little shit.

[Farnhamia]

Let's see: "Amercian socialism really isn't socialism... dosent Amercians on the left wing support the idea of the State helping all no matter what? If someone palys a negtive role in soicity the goverment won't care and will use recourses to help that person. That goes against the very idea of communsim... That is how real communsim is, it is not as great as Amercains make it seem..."

That certainly seems to suggest that you think America is somehow deeply mired in socialism, and maybe communist...

But, my favourite was this one: "When Amercia makes the same mistake Russia made I will try not to laugh... Even China was quick to learn that communism dose not work"

You certainly think America is CLOSE to falling into communism.

Well the first part kinda proves my point more than yours. I said Amercain comuunism/socialism I said is very far off from what it really is. They took them and fucked them up more than they were already.

The left-wing in Amercia that does want communsim is just dumb and are blind to the fact countries that already tried it were worse off after trying it. The Amercains who want a Amercain type of Communsim are just as dumb. It hardly is communsim. They put indivalus needs before the common good of the country as a whole.

We aren't talking about American socialists or communists. And by the way, it really is spelled A-M-E-R-I-C-A, not A-M-E-R-C-I-A.

[Vervaria]

The left-wing in Amercia that does want communsim is just dumb and are blind to the fact countries that already tried it were worse off after trying it. The Amercains who want a Amercain type of Communsim are just as dumb. It hardly is communsim. They put indivalus needs before the common good of the country as a whole.

I wasn't aware there was any major left-wing party within the US, and I wasn't aware that same party wanted communism.

[Grave_n_idle]

We aren't talking about American socialists or communists. And by the way, it really is spelled A-M-E-R-I-C-A, not A-M-E-R-C-I-A.

Maybe he's talking about a different place... a Constitutional Republic evolved from an Anglo-Saxon kingdom on the River Trent? "A Mercia"

[Ronaldinho2 (Ancient)]

I will say dumb fool. They go against the very thing they are for.

Correct me if I am worng, but the left in Amercia are for socialism right? Yet they seem to be more Individuals, not the country as a whole. Yet socialism is not about what is right for an indvidual but what is right for the countries as a whole. They also go on about human rights and how everyone is entilited to certain things but in communism and socialism there are not entilitements. If you want something you have to work for it. If you don't and do not play a postive role in soicity than you ae out of luck. You are seen as a waste and willl be left to die.

I am insulted. FEAR ME!

[Neo Art]

I know... liberals hounded him for that comment, and it turned out one of their own had said it first...

It's not about Bush, but there's also those Liberal Media outlets that somehow always seem to get a liberal's party affiliation wrong whenever a liberal is involved in a scandal.

Right. The point is, though, and I want to reinforce this, liberals just concentrate on the pettiest little shit.

Oh, oh oh oh, remember at that Republican convention, they handed out all these plastic american flags, and after the rally, people had taken pictures of some of those flags ending up in the trash, and how those liberals tried to make it seem like those nasty republicans were unpatriotic for throwing away little handed out plastic flags?

[Farnhamia]

We aren't talking about American socialists or communists. And by the way, it really is spelled A-M-E-R-I-C-A, not A-M-E-R-C-I-A.

Maybe he's talking about a different place... a Constitutional Republic evolved from an Anglo-Saxon kingdom on the River Trent? "A Mercia"

I actually did think of that. "Amercia" as in "not in Mercia."

[Cameroi]

compared to most of what passes itself off as "conservatism", "liberalism" is positive, absolute, genius.

whether the way either of these terms, is actually and most frequently used, means jack, is another question entirely.

[Free Soviets]

Right. The point is, though, and I want to reinforce this, liberals just concentrate on the pettiest little shit.

you know what's sad? we rattled off a page of such things without even trying - without even going back more than a year. we could probably do this all day. and i can't even think of more than a handful of equivalent instances on the other side.

[Free Soviets]

Oh, oh oh oh, remember at that Republican convention, they handed out all these plastic american flags, and after the rally, people had taken pictures of some of those flags ending up in the trash, and how those liberals tried to make it seem like those nasty republicans were unpatriotic for throwing away little handed out plastic flags?

flags which, it must be noted, no one has ever seen a conservative wave.

[United Russian State]

oh I am so sorry for not spelling America the right away. I should be taken outside to get a bullet in my head for this grave mistake. How dare I not spell every word in English perfectly. Please forgive me oh great ones.

[Farnhamia]

Right. The point is, though, and I want to reinforce this, liberals just concentrate on the pettiest little shit.

you know what's sad? we rattled off a page of such things without even trying - without even going back more than a year. we could probably do this all day. and i can't even think of more than a handful of equivalent instances on the other side.

Back in 2003, just before we invaded Iraq, George McGovern wrote a piece called "The Case For Liberalism" (that's where I got my little list, by the way). In it he quotes William F. Buckley:

Conservatism is the tacit acknowledgment that all that is finally important in human experience is behind us; that the crucial explorations have been undertaken, and that it is given to man to know what are the great truths that emerged from them. Whatever is to come cannot outweigh the importance to man of what has gone before.

I don't know how Buckley is viewed by the modern conservative movement, but I think this is quite appropriate. It does appear as if conservatives are the foot-draggers, the nay-sayers. I will admit that charging off into the wild blue wonder as some of my more enthusiastic liberal brothers and sisters are wont to do now and then, is not a good idea. On the other hand, neither is always resisting progress and change.

McGovern ends his essay with this:

The genius of American politics has always been the creative tension between our two great political philosophies, liberalism and conservatism. If either of these traditions is diminished, the American nation is diminished. And so, to the self-styled patriot with his bumper sticker "AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT", I would respond, "America, let us improve it so that we may love it the more."

I can think of no better statement of a liberal credo.

[Farnhamia]

oh I am so sorry for not spelling America the right away. I should be taken outside to get a bullet in my head for this grave mistake. How dare I not spell every word in English perfectly. Please forgive me oh great ones.

You're forgiven. If I were conversing with you in your native language and made a mistake, I hope you would correct me.

[ThinkPads]

There are certainly intelligent, if ignorant on some fundamental points, liberals. Off the top of my head, Helen Thomas did a great job attacking the Obama Administration's utter and total lack of transparency and controlled situations; I consider her to be highly intelligent. I can't think of anything good to say about her, but SecState Clinton isn't stupid either.

[Farnhamia]

There are certainly intelligent, if ignorant on some fundamental points, liberals. Off the top of my head, Helen Thomas did a great job attacking the Obama Administration's utter and total lack of transparency and controlled situations; I consider her to be highly intelligent. I can't think of anything good to say about her, but SecState Clinton isn't stupid either.

But are we talking about liberals in general or the Obama Administration in particular? I thought it was the former.