WAR!! What do you think

[Jagalonia]

Well, this sums it all up:
"Humanity. GODDAMNIT, WE LOVE VIOLENCE!"

Us, and every other animals. Even apes wage wars - albeit ones on a smaller scale.

As your mother undoubtedly said to you at least once, and if all the other animals were jumping off a cliff, would you do that, too?

Show me an example of animals doing just that.

EDIT: Spoiler'd for animal rights people.......

[The Cygnus System]

Nothing bothers me more than a shortsighted pinhead who thinks the world would be a better place without war. Yes, war is one of the most terrible things that can happen to a country or a people. But without conflict, society would be so slow moving that we would not live in the world we live in today. The United States would still be in the great depression, in fact it wouldn't even be the United States at all. Medical advancements would be brought back decades. And modern conveniences such as phones, automobiles, and airplanes would be nowhere near as advanced as they are now. War is always something that will happen, it drives human history like a motor drives a car.

[North Suran]

Well, this sums it all up:
"Humanity. GODDAMNIT, WE LOVE VIOLENCE!"

Us, and every other animals. Even apes wage wars - albeit ones on a smaller scale.

As your mother undoubtedly said to you at least once, and if all the other animals were jumping off a cliff, would you do that, too?

Show me an example of animals doing just that.

You will note the plurals. One cow falling off a cliff - with another cow, knowing better, not following suit - doesn't lend credence to Farn's comparison.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Well, this sums it all up:
"Humanity. GODDAMNIT, WE LOVE VIOLENCE!"

Us, and every other animals. Even apes wage wars - albeit ones on a smaller scale.

As your mother undoubtedly said to you at least once, and if all the other animals were jumping off a cliff, would you do that, too?

Show me an example of animals doing just that.

That cow was clearly pushed.

And please spoiler that image for all teh animal rights people.

[Person012345]

Well, say you're the poorest person on the planet, but you don't know that. You've lived on a small, uninhabited island since you were born. You don't know there are people that are so much richer than you. To you, it is life. Now translate that into what Greed&Death is saying.

That doesn't make your life any "better" in real terms, only your satisfaction with it. And that is like comparing eternal war. If you were the richest person in the worls and you don't know there are people much poorer than you, does that make your money a bad thing for you. Would it be better for you if you were poor (assuming that riches are a good thing, seeing as we are comparing it to peace, leave out the philosophical "is money a good thing" stuff).

[Jagalonia]

Well, this sums it all up:
"Humanity. GODDAMNIT, WE LOVE VIOLENCE!"

Us, and every other animals. Even apes wage wars - albeit ones on a smaller scale.

As your mother undoubtedly said to you at least once, and if all the other animals were jumping off a cliff, would you do that, too?

Show me an example of animals doing just that.

You will note the plurals. One cow falling off a cliff - with another cow, knowing better, not following suit - doesn't lend credence to Farn's comparison.

Yeah I can find a better one, Hold on a sec.......

That picture is totaly real and happened.....I need to find a farm with a cliff and my camera.....maybe a few firecrackers or something.....

[Farnhamia]

Well, this sums it all up:
"Humanity. GODDAMNIT, WE LOVE VIOLENCE!"

Us, and every other animals. Even apes wage wars - albeit ones on a smaller scale.

As your mother undoubtedly said to you at least once, and if all the other animals were jumping off a cliff, would you do that, too?

Show me an example of animals doing just that.

You will note the plurals. One cow falling off a cliff - with another cow, knowing better, not following suit - doesn't lend credence to Farn's comparison.

Yeah I can find a better one, Hold on a sec.......

That picture is totaly real and happened.....I need to find a farm with a cliff and my camera.....maybe a few firecrackers or something.....

Exactly my point. And the cows ... how do we know that other cow isn't abut to take the leap? Cows are not real swift, it could just be thinking, "Wow, that was cool. I wonder, if I back up and get a good run, maybe I can land all the way across the road."

[North Suran]

Well, this sums it all up:
"Humanity. GODDAMNIT, WE LOVE VIOLENCE!"

Us, and every other animals. Even apes wage wars - albeit ones on a smaller scale.

As your mother undoubtedly said to you at least once, and if all the other animals were jumping off a cliff, would you do that, too?

Show me an example of animals doing just that.

You will note the plurals. One cow falling off a cliff - with another cow, knowing better, not following suit - doesn't lend credence to Farn's comparison.

Yeah I can find a better one, Hold on a sec.......

That picture is totaly real and happened.....I need to find a farm with a cliff and my camera.....maybe a few firecrackers or something.....

Exactly my point.

Cartoon sheep is your point?

And the cows ... how do we know that other cow isn't abut to take the leap? Cows are not real swift, it could just be thinking, "Wow, that was cool. I wonder, if I back up and get a good run, maybe I can land all the way across the road."

Or it could just be thinking, "Damn, that was pretty stupid. I think I'll just go and eat some grass, instead." The point is, we don't know. Hence why it doesn't work as an example. And really, your comparison is flawed as a concept, since there are many things that all animals do (breathe, for instance).

[Jagalonia]

I HAVE FOUND ANOTHER ONE!!!

More cows.

If you like cows while they're alive, don't open the spolier.

If you like steak, turn on the BBQ as you open the spoiler.

[Person012345]

Y'know, it could just be thinking "moo".

[EvilDarkMagicians]

I HAVE FOUND ANOTHER ONE!!!

More cows.

If you like cows while they're alive, don't open the spolier.

If you like steak, turn on the BBQ as you open the spoiler.

They're obviously just sleeping. <.<

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I'm shocked at how we went from war to cows.

[Jagalonia]

I'm shocked at how we went from war to cows.

Its truly amazing isn't it? ;')

[Farnhamia]

Well, this sums it all up:
"Humanity. GODDAMNIT, WE LOVE VIOLENCE!"

Us, and every other animals. Even apes wage wars - albeit ones on a smaller scale.

As your mother undoubtedly said to you at least once, and if all the other animals were jumping off a cliff, would you do that, too?

Show me an example of animals doing just that.

You will note the plurals. One cow falling off a cliff - with another cow, knowing better, not following suit - doesn't lend credence to Farn's comparison.

Yeah I can find a better one, Hold on a sec.......

That picture is totaly real and happened.....I need to find a farm with a cliff and my camera.....maybe a few firecrackers or something.....

Exactly my point.

Cartoon sheep is your point?

And the cows ... how do we know that other cow isn't abut to take the leap? Cows are not real swift, it could just be thinking, "Wow, that was cool. I wonder, if I back up and get a good run, maybe I can land all the way across the road."

Or it could just be thinking, "Damn, that was pretty stupid. I think I'll just go and eat some grass, instead." The point is, we don't know. Hence why it doesn't work as an example. And really, your comparison is flawed as a concept, since there are many things that all animals do (breathe, for instance).

My post was mocking the one - why, look, it's yours! - that said, "Us, and every other animals. Even apes wage wars - albeit ones on a smaller scale." The point is that we ought to try to rise above things that other animals do, and not just shrug it off. I will admit that humans have certainly "improved" version of the war that apes wage: we invented "glory" and "dulce et decorum" and all the hot air that goes into justifying the slaughter of other people. Thanks, I'll stand over with General Sherman and say that the glory of war is all moonshine. Humanity being as it is, it's unavoidable. Just please don't insult either of our intelligences by trying to put a pretty face on it.

[The Golden Shovel]

It's an ethnic/national pissing contest.

[North Suran]

My post was mocking the one - why, look, it's yours! - that said, "Us, and every other animals. Even apes wage wars - albeit ones on a smaller scale." The point is that we ought to try to rise above things that other animals do, and not just shrug it off.

That wasn't even what I was asserting. I was merely pointing out that humans are not the only animals to wage war, as was being insinuated by the post I responded to.

I will admit that humans have certainly "improved" version of the war that apes wage: we invented "glory" and "dulce et decorum" and all the hot air that goes into justifying the slaughter of other people. Thanks, I'll stand over with General Sherman and say that the glory of war is all moonshine.

You'll stand with an Army General in your opposition to war?

Humanity being as it is, it's unavoidable. Just please don't insult either of our intelligences by trying to put a pretty face on it.

How is pointing out that war is a ubiquitous aspect of nature putting a pretty face on it?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

It's an ethnic/national pissing contest.

sigging.

[North Suran]

It's an ethnic/national pissing contest.

Then why is it present in populations without ethnicities or nationalities?

[Jagalonia]

It's an ethnic/national pissing contest.

Then why is it present in populations without ethnicities or nationalities?

There's no such thing as a person without an ethnicity or nationality, think before you post.

[North Suran]

It's an ethnic/national pissing contest.

Then why is it present in populations without ethnicities or nationalities?

There's no such thing as a person without an ethnicity or nationality, think before you post.

As aforementioned, war is a regular aspect of ape populations. Apes, of course, lacking ethnicities and nationalities. Furthermore, what about the wars that predate the creation of nationalities and which were fought between people belonging to the same ethnic group?

[Jagalonia]

They still had "Nations" in a sense, even if it was just a 5-person tribe, it could still be considered a nation at the time.

But NOW, we have nations, everyone has evolved into these nations, we ALL have an ethnicity, and we ALL have a nationality, it is unavoidable.

I would also like to say that apes are hardly a good comparison, we have the same "Parent" species, (As stated in Darwins theory of evolition.) but we have devloped much more than them. putting apes beside humans in this sense is a poor comparison.

[Great Nepal]

War is a inevitable part of human life - without which we wont be who we are today. War is a condition which brings out best in humans, unites nation's citizens together and breaks down the class and ethnic barriers between people from a nation. It also shorten the time for technological advancement.

[Jagalonia]

War is a inevitable part of human life - without which we wont be who we are today. War is a condition which brings out best in humans, unites nation's citizens together and breaks down the class and ethnic barriers between people from a nation. It also shorten the time for technological advancement.

Agreed 100%

[EvilDarkMagicians]

War is a inevitable part of human life - without which we wont be who we are today. War is a condition which brings out best in humans, unites nation's citizens together and breaks down the class and ethnic barriers between people from a nation. It also shorten the time for technological advancement.

It can also do the the exact opposite of what you've mentioned.

[Germoaustria]

War should be avoided, America should be as Swiss as she can.