Should only Natural born citizens be able to run for office?

[San Lumen]

Retiring Congressman Nancy Mace here in the US is obsessed with this idea. We already require the president and vice president to be natural born citizens but she wants it extended to Congress , Senate confirmed positions and judgeships. A amendment has been introduced in Congress to do this but it doesn't have the required two thirds. This doenst have to be a solely US based discussion. It could apply to any country.

I think the idea is stupid. If you naturalize you are a citizen and should have all the rights of a citizen including being able to run for office. Anything else creates tiers of citizenship and thats wrong. personally i think the natural born citizenship requirement for President should be done away with.

What do others think?

[PUTAT]

I think it isn't a good idea. My country is like this and the government sucks.

[Chirhoaea]

Not necessarily, but I do think that candidates should be required to renounce any foreign citizenships before taking office.

[Nuting]

Agree to be honest, I think if someone comes here legally, they should be able to do anything a natural born citizen should be able to do

[Geraluden]

I think it would be beneficial if offices were more diverse, especially in America. There's not much of a reason we should have the same line-up of old white men making choices. Why not an Ugandan Socialist or something? It'd be more interesting, if nothing else.

[New Khemet]

If a person has lived in a country long enough to gain citizenship and so exercise the right to vote, they should also have the right to run for the positions they may vote for. After all, nobody can choose to be born an American.

[B U]

Another idea she's obsessed with is extraterrestrial life. She thinks 'non-human intelligence exists. Non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity'. But even that isn't as stupid as denying civil rights to a citizen based on the place of their birth.

[Schwessen-Hellfohen]

Happy to see NSG acts in good faith for once.

So yeah, basically the place of birth of a person doesn’t matter.

[Congla]

What even is Nancy Mace? The first I heard of her, she made a big point about being a maverick who had a lot of liberal postions for a Republican, then she took a rightward shift (her "Adam and Steve" tweet), and now she's proposing the type of stuff that paleocons would probably talk about and think was a good idea?

[San Lumen]

I think it isn't a good idea. My country is like this and the government sucks.

So only natural born citizens can serve in the federal government or as judges?

[San Lumen]

I think it would be beneficial if offices were more diverse, especially in America. There's not much of a reason we should have the same line-up of old white men making choices. Why not an Ugandan Socialist or something? It'd be more interesting, if nothing else.

The current mayor of New York City Zohran Mamdani was born in Uganda and came to the United States as a boy. He’s a socialist.

[Unogonduria]

Not necessarily, but I do think that candidates should be required to renounce any foreign citizenships before taking office.

That at least.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Id atleast want most of their lifespan in America. As well as citizenship only to America. If we can find the basis on that, i think thats a fair compromise.

[Pale Dawn]

If a person has lived in a country long enough to gain citizenship and so exercise the right to vote, they should also have the right to run for the positions they may vote for. After all, nobody can choose to be born an American.

If the process of citizenship is adequately stringent and the vetting thorough. You must either have high barriers to entry with the oppurtunity to political power open, or low barriers of entry and high barriers to political power (like being natural born). You can't expect to maintain any social cohesion without giving the tools to maintain societal integrity.

[Slembana]

Hell no!

[Page]

What meaningful difference is there between a child born on your country's soil and a child who was carried over to your country's soil at the age of six months, who went to the same school you did and speaks with the same accent you do and liked all the same things and played all the same games?

By the way, SL, Mace isn't obsessed with the idea so much as hatefully obsessed very specifically with Ilhan Omar.

[Chess Socialism]

What meaningful difference is there between a child born on your country's soil and a child who was carried over to your country's soil at the age of six months, who went to the same school you did and speaks with the same accent you do and liked all the same things and played all the same games?

By the way, SL, Mace isn't obsessed with the idea so much as hatefully obsessed very specifically with Ilhan Omar.

Strong agree. This is only being seriously proposed because Mace just wants to remove Ilhan Omar and Zohran Mamdani from office without coming off as undemocratic.

[Los Einquirers]

Im a bit split on this, I feel like a good line could be for the nations that the US passport has availability to maybe to be a bit in the middle, and all foreign citizenships must be abandoned.

[Lipizia]

In the top 5 how to make unsenced things surely.

[Velstrania]

No.
I don't even think this should be a thing for the presidency, it seems like a weird historical anomaly that's utterly at odds with everything else American citizenship is meant to be about.

[Chess Socialism]

No.
I don't even think this should be a thing for the presidency, it seems like a weird historical anomaly that's utterly at odds with everything else American citizenship is meant to be about.

Agree. The loyalty argument is stupid.

[Lipizia]

No.
I don't even think this should be a thing for the presidency, it seems like a weird historical anomaly that's utterly at odds with everything else American citizenship is meant to be about.

Agree. The loyalty argument is stupid.

Of course, how can you decide where you born?

[DutchFormosa]

It's fine the way it is for Presidents and Vice Presidents, but I see no reason to extend it to the rest of Congress

[ImperialRussia]

I say whoever can run for office

[Tekania]

Retiring Congressman Nancy Mace here in the US is obsessed with this idea. We already require the president and vice president to be natural born citizens but she wants it extended to Congress , Senate confirmed positions and judgeships. A amendment has been introduced in Congress to do this but it doesn't have the required two thirds. This doenst have to be a solely US based discussion. It could apply to any country.

I think the idea is stupid. If you naturalize you are a citizen and should have all the rights of a citizen including being able to run for office. Anything else creates tiers of citizenship and thats wrong. personally i think the natural born citizenship requirement for President should be done away with.

What do others think?

I don't view any change in qualifications to be necessary. If they wanted to introduce a bill regarding qualification changes in congress the only one I would consider would be implementation of congressional term limits.