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Should women receive the same penalty for sex with minors?

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Postby New high charity 24 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:40 am

Turan devleti wrote:the gender equality at the end led to the opression of males >:(

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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:42 am

Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM

You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?

The evidence to prosecute a male or female is similarly skewed. I am not surprised with the light scentence because if the female teacher had sex with a student she was :sarcasm: obviously :sarcasm: under some kind of stress or suffered from nymphomania (for a male we call is horny or seedy).

A male could not possibly hold such a defence to use it as a mitigating factor.

Interesting side note. I know that females have used nyphomania as a defence in western courts for sex charges but can anyone find a case of a male succesfully using the same defence? If not it just shows that even the professional psychological perspective of rape is skewed against males.

She claimed nymphomania? I didn't see that mentioned in the OP.

Nymphomania is a common name for an actual disorder, the male version was called satyriasis before both terms were replaced by "hypersexuality". You would probably need an actual diagnosis for this if you wanted to say that's what made you do it in court. You would probably also have to go through therapy for your sex addiction.

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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:43 am

Turan devleti wrote:the gender equality at the end led to the opression of males >:(

There's gender equality?

This is news to me.

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Postby Turan devleti » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:53 am

New high charity 24 wrote:
Turan devleti wrote:the gender equality at the end led to the opression of males >:(

yeah your species think there on top to su- are you a guy?!

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Postby Ismon » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:41 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Ismon wrote:If it was consensual then she committed no crime, at least in my view!

They were minors, so there was no consent.


The law does distinguish between the rape of an underage person, and sex where the underage person consents. In the latter case the childs consent is still illegal, but it is still there and is still some mitigation.

My personal view is that adolescents and adults should be able to give legal consent.

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Postby Ismon » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:45 am

Dyakovo wrote:
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Dyakovo wrote:
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Ismon wrote:If it was consensual then she committed no crime, at least in my view!

They were minors, so there was no consent.


Boys cooperated with her. And they were teens, there was consent. Illegal, but consent.

Again, they were minors so there was no consent.


consent - To give assent, as to the proposal of another; agree. It wasn't forced.

Again, they were minors, there was no consent. The age of consent is 18 in Florida.


You are either being deliberately obtuse or English is not your first language.

The age of consent refers to the age where someone is legally allowed to give consent to sex. Obviously they could agree to sex at a far younger age, it would just be illegal.

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Postby GraySoap » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:52 am

No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...

But in this case, I think it would be fair enough to punish a woman the same as a man. Especially since those young teens would have had to pay child support if they weren't impotent!
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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:01 am

GraySoap wrote:No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army


Some countries don't force people to sign up for the draft. Although I agree that if there is a draft, both sexes should have to sign up for it.

and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...


When men become pregnant, men can have abortions. Until then, they can't tell someone else what to do with their own bodies or make medical decisions on behalf of someone else. I'm not sure how this is not equal, men are free to do what they want in their own bodies too.

And I want equality.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:36 am

GraySoap wrote:No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...

But in this case, I think it would be fair enough to punish a woman the same as a man. Especially since those young teens would have had to pay child support if they weren't impotent!

I agree. Most women only want more special privileges, not more equality.
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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:38 am

Wamitoria wrote:
GraySoap wrote:No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...

But in this case, I think it would be fair enough to punish a woman the same as a man. Especially since those young teens would have had to pay child support if they weren't impotent!

I agree. Most women only want more special privileges, not more equality.

What special privileges do women want?

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:49 am

Ismon wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Trippoli wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Trippoli wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Ismon wrote:If it was consensual then she committed no crime, at least in my view!

They were minors, so there was no consent.


Boys cooperated with her. And they were teens, there was consent. Illegal, but consent.

Again, they were minors so there was no consent.


consent - To give assent, as to the proposal of another; agree. It wasn't forced.

Again, they were minors, there was no consent. The age of consent is 18 in Florida.


You are either being deliberately obtuse or English is not your first language.

We're discussing a legal case, so the legal terms are what matters. The boys were not old enough to be able to consent, so therefore they did nor and could not consent.
Ismon wrote:The age of consent refers to the age where someone is legally allowed to give consent to sex. Obviously they could agree to sex at a far younger age, it would just be illegal not be consent.

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:50 am

Dakini wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:
GraySoap wrote:No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...

But in this case, I think it would be fair enough to punish a woman the same as a man. Especially since those young teens would have had to pay child support if they weren't impotent!

I agree. Most women only want more special privileges, not more equality.

What special privileges do women want?

The special privilege of being allowed out of the kitchen/bedroom.
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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:21 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Dakini wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:
GraySoap wrote:No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...

But in this case, I think it would be fair enough to punish a woman the same as a man. Especially since those young teens would have had to pay child support if they weren't impotent!

I agree. Most women only want more special privileges, not more equality.

What special privileges do women want?

The special privilege of being allowed out of the kitchen/bedroom.
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I suspect that this is what's generating the complaints.

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Postby NERVUN » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:22 pm

Quelesh wrote:
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Quelesh wrote:I don't understand the urge to punish this woman. Of all the things that it's possible to do to another human being, giving them an orgasm is among the best, not the worst.

Because she broke the law and abused her position.


Well, she certainly broke the law. Whether she abused her position is debatable.

Dyakovo wrote:
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Dyakovo wrote:
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Dyakovo wrote:Again, they were minors, there was no consent. The age of consent is 18 in Florida.

That is what the law says.

And since this is a legal matter, that is what counts.
Trippoli wrote:The boys thought otherwise.

They were wrong.


I think what he is saying is that the statutory assumption made by the law in Florida (that every single human being in Florida does not possess the cognitive capacity necessary to grant informed consent to sexual activity until midnight on his or her eighteenth birthday, at which moment every person in Florida suddenly gains that capacity) is incorrect and that, in this case, the young people involved did in fact possess the cognitive capacity necessary to grant informed consent to sexual activity, despite the statutory assumption otherwise made by the law.

And yet for some reason when addressing legal matters it is the law that matters... Don't like the law? Work to get it changed.


I agree that working to get laws with which we disagree changed is an appropriate course of action. The point is that the text printed in a law book does not affect a person's actual maturity, intelligence or capacity to reason.

Laws which criminalize activity that is actually (though not legally) consensual should be changed, because such laws are morally wrong, and until such laws are changed, they should not be enforced, because their enforcement is morally wrong.

I'm speaking in general terms here; in this particular case, I don't know if the young men involved actually consented (I know they did not legally consent), because I don't know them or anything about them.

Alas... it is rather hard to make everyone take some sort of test to determin whether they are capable of giving consent before proceeding into the bedroom...

As with all age of majority kind of things, there will always be people ahead and behind the curve, the point is to cast the net wide enough to catch most of the fish, not all of them.
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Postby Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:45 pm

Dakini wrote:
Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM

You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?


The actual percentage of verdicts of guilty which varies from nation to nation is not the point. It is the disparity in proff required to convict a male over a female. As such the percentage of female rape accusations that are only that, accusations, that result in a guilty verdict are irrelevant. The amount of proof required to obtain a guilty verdict is highly relevant for both the male and female gender

The evidence to prosecute a male or female is similarly skewed. I am not surprised with the light scentence because if the female teacher had sex with a student she was :sarcasm: obviously :sarcasm: under some kind of stress or suffered from nymphomania (for a male we call is horny or seedy).

A male could not possibly hold such a defence to use it as a mitigating factor.

Interesting side note. I know that females have used nyphomania as a defence in western courts for sex charges but can anyone find a case of a male succesfully using the same defence? If not it just shows that even the professional psychological perspective of rape is skewed against males.

She claimed nymphomania? I didn't see that mentioned in the OP. [/quote]

No she didnt but other females have been able to use the excuse of nymphomania is court where the male is not allowed to. This is another example of where there is gender inequality in trials of a sexual nature. By not being able to list a case where a male claimed nymphomnia succesfully I will continue believing this psychological condition is extreemly gender biased.

Nymphomania is a common name for an actual disorder, the male version was called satyriasis before both terms were replaced by "hypersexuality". You would probably need an actual diagnosis for this if you wanted to say that's what made you do it in court. You would probably also have to go through therapy for your sex addiction.


The technical name for the disorder or whatever else you may call it is meaningless. I was asking if you could find a case where it was used sucessfully for a males defence. You have been unable to

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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:58 pm

Jaunty tunes wrote:
Dakini wrote:
Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM

You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?


The actual percentage of verdicts of guilty which varies from nation to nation is not the point. It is the disparity in proff required to convict a male over a female. As such the percentage of female rape accusations that are only that, accusations, that result in a guilty verdict are irrelevant. The amount of proof required to obtain a guilty verdict is highly relevant for both the male and female gender

I think that I'd have to see some stats on this.

No she didnt but other females have been able to use the excuse of nymphomania is court where the male is not allowed to. This is another example of where there is gender inequality in trials of a sexual nature. By not being able to list a case where a male claimed nymphomnia succesfully I will continue believing this psychological condition is extreemly gender biased.

Nymphomania is a common name for an actual disorder, the male version was called satyriasis before both terms were replaced by "hypersexuality". You would probably need an actual diagnosis for this if you wanted to say that's what made you do it in court. You would probably also have to go through therapy for your sex addiction.


The technical name for the disorder or whatever else you may call it is meaningless. I was asking if you could find a case where it was used sucessfully for a males defence. You have been unable to

I think that I would actually like you to show some proof that women have claimed this successfully in cases where they have committed rape.

I also think that if someone experiences hypersexuality, they pretty much have to go into treatment for this disease and they might be classed as a sex offender anyway.

At any rate, men have definitely got off rape charges when it comes to physical or mental issues that are beyond their control. A while ago, a man was found not innocent when he raped a woman in his sleep. Apparently some (relatively small) percentage of people will do this. He has to take medication and he might end up in jail if he doesn't, but I doubt that this is a pleasant condition to have in the first place so it's not like he's being let off easy, he had an actual problem.

Oh, and I would also like to re-emphasize that you can't just claim a mental disorder in court. You have to be evaluated by psychiatrists and essentially have to prove that you have this mental disorder. Then if you are found not guilty because of it, you generally have to undergo treatment for your mental disorder, which may involve spending time locked away in a mental health facility until you "improve" which is whenever the doctors feel you've made enough progress to be released into a halfway house. It's not a get out of jail free card.
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Postby Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:26 pm

Dakini wrote:
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Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM

You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?


The actual percentage of verdicts of guilty which varies from nation to nation is not the point. It is the disparity in proff required to convict a male over a female. As such the percentage of female rape accusations that are only that, accusations, that result in a guilty verdict are irrelevant. The amount of proof required to obtain a guilty verdict is highly relevant for both the male and female gender

I think that I'd have to see some stats on this.


Stats of what? The percentage of guilty verdicts rate which is not my point or some kind of statistic on the different types of evidence used to obtain convictions for sexual offences for males and females? I would be very interested in a source of the latter which you should be able to provide as much as myself. Sadly there are not any evidence type to verdict tables devided by gender that I can find.

I could however give numerous examples of where a convicted female teacher recieves a lighter scentence than the male counterpart which comes down to the belief that the female teacher committed a less sinister act. The initial post for this thread is one.

No she didnt but other females have been able to use the excuse of nymphomania is court where the male is not allowed to. This is another example of where there is gender inequality in trials of a sexual nature. By not being able to list a case where a male claimed nymphomnia succesfully I will continue believing this psychological condition is extreemly gender biased.

Nymphomania is a common name for an actual disorder, the male version was called satyriasis before both terms were replaced by "hypersexuality". You would probably need an actual diagnosis for this if you wanted to say that's what made you do it in court. You would probably also have to go through therapy for your sex addiction.


The technical name for the disorder or whatever else you may call it is meaningless. I was asking if you could find a case where it was used sucessfully for a males defence. You have been unable to

I think that I would actually like you to show some proof that women have claimed this successfully in cases where they have committed rape.

I also think that if someone experiences hypersexuality, they pretty much have to go into treatment for this disease and they might be classed as a sex offender anyway.

At any rate, men have definitely got off rape charges when it comes to physical or mental issues that are beyond their control. A while ago, a man was found not innocent when he raped a woman in his sleep. Apparently some (relatively small) percentage of people will do this. He has to take medication and he might end up in jail if he doesn't, but I doubt that this is a pleasant condition to have in the first place so it's not like he's being let off easy, he had an actual problem.

Oh, and I would also like to re-emphasize that you can't just claim a mental disorder in court. You have to be evaluated by psychiatrists and essentially have to prove that you have this mental disorder. Then if you are found not guilty because of it, you generally have to undergo treatment for your mental disorder, which may involve spending time locked away in a mental health facility until you "improve" which is whenever the doctors feel you've made enough progress to be released into a halfway house. It's not a get out of jail free card.[/quote]

I said sexual offences, not rape. There is a difference between rape and sexual offences. For example nudity, soliciting a prostitute, managing an illegal brothel, distributing pornography to minors etc are types of sexual offences that may be prosecuted against. Rape requires intercourse without consent. Rape is a type of sexual offence but not the only sexual offence.

Where the evidence needs to be first approved and therefor accepted by the court is also meaningless. It is wether the court decided heard and decided that a defence of hypersexuality was true or not.

As for cases of females using nymphomania succesfully in cases where I have a great in depth look at one from a michigan university http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/0472113291-ch2.pdf

i still wait for you to find a case where a male has been determined to be awake and in a nymphomnic state succesfully in court. A reference would be required. Should be easy enough to do. Type in the condition and a gender related word(s) in google and see if it exists.

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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:37 pm

Jaunty tunes wrote:
Dakini wrote:
Jaunty tunes wrote:
Dakini wrote:
Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM

You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?


The actual percentage of verdicts of guilty which varies from nation to nation is not the point. It is the disparity in proff required to convict a male over a female. As such the percentage of female rape accusations that are only that, accusations, that result in a guilty verdict are irrelevant. The amount of proof required to obtain a guilty verdict is highly relevant for both the male and female gender

I think that I'd have to see some stats on this.


Stats of what? The percentage of guilty verdicts rate which is not my point or some kind of statistic on the different types of evidence used to obtain convictions for sexual offences for males and females? I would be very interested in a source of the latter which you should be able to provide as much as myself. Sadly there are not any evidence type to verdict tables devided by gender that I can find.

So you don't have any evidence that it's harder to prove that a man raped a woman than a woman raped a man? No stats to show the % of reported rapes allegedly committed by each gender and no % of convictions?

I could however give numerous examples of where a convicted female teacher recieves a lighter scentence than the male counterpart which comes down to the belief that the female teacher committed a less sinister act. The initial post for this thread is one.

Oh, yes, and this comes down to sexism. It's been discussed. It's not some "reverse sexism" nonsense. It's just the usual sexist belief that women don't want sex and men do.

No she didnt but other females have been able to use the excuse of nymphomania is court where the male is not allowed to. This is another example of where there is gender inequality in trials of a sexual nature. By not being able to list a case where a male claimed nymphomnia succesfully I will continue believing this psychological condition is extreemly gender biased.

I said sexual offences, not rape. There is a difference between rape and sexual offences. For example nudity, soliciting a prostitute, managing an illegal brothel, distributing pornography to minors etc are types of sexual offences that may be prosecuted against. Rape requires intercourse without consent. Rape is a type of sexual offence but not the only sexual offence.

Where the evidence needs to be first approved and therefor accepted by the court is also meaningless. It is wether the court decided heard and decided that a defence of hypersexuality was true or not.

As for cases of females using nymphomania succesfully in cases where I have a great in depth look at one from a michigan university http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/0472113291-ch2.pdf

i still wait for you to find a case where a male has been determined to be awake and in a nymphomnic state succesfully in court. A reference would be required. Should be easy enough to do. Type in the condition and a gender related word(s) in google and see if it exists.

Dude. You can't link to a 29 page pdf file that stars with a story from 1916 where a young woman was brought in by her grandmother because her grandmother thought she was a nymphomaniac and wanted to be able to take over her estate (because if the woman was a nympho then she would be mentally unfit to manage it). Women have been branded nymphos for quite some time because they liked or even showed the vaguest interest in sex.

A quick glance suggests that you didn't read your source. Most of this is about women being declared nymphomaniacs and that this declaration was most often used against women (e.g. this woman wasn't raped, she's a nympho and wanted it).
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Postby Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:39 pm

http://www.bloggernews.net/19618

Hey look at this article showing a similar light sentence for a convicted female teacher. On average a male would get 15 to 20 years according to a professor but a female gets probation or one to three years.

So if we want a number on how many times worse a male rapist is to a female it is 17.5 / 2. A male (teacher) rapist is 8.75 times more sinister than his female counterpart.

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Jaunty tunes wrote:http://www.bloggernews.net/19618

Hey look at this article showing a similar light sentence for a convicted female teacher. On average a male would get 15 to 20 years according to a professor but a female gets probation or one to three years.

So if we want a number on how many times worse a male rapist is to a female it is 17.5 / 2. A male (teacher) rapist is 8.75 times more sinister than his female counterpart.

This woman received 10 years and will be on probation afterward.

I'm not saying that sexism doesn't exist. I'm saying that it does and it's prevalent. It might also be getting better (given that this woman, a more recent case, received a tougher sentence).

Granted, it would be nice if women were also given equal rights in all aspects of society instead of just being punished like men.

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Postby Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:46 pm

Dakini wrote:
Jaunty tunes wrote:
Dakini wrote:
Jaunty tunes wrote:
Dakini wrote:
Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM

You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?


The actual percentage of verdicts of guilty which varies from nation to nation is not the point. It is the disparity in proff required to convict a male over a female. As such the percentage of female rape accusations that are only that, accusations, that result in a guilty verdict are irrelevant. The amount of proof required to obtain a guilty verdict is highly relevant for both the male and female gender

I think that I'd have to see some stats on this.


Stats of what? The percentage of guilty verdicts rate which is not my point or some kind of statistic on the different types of evidence used to obtain convictions for sexual offences for males and females? I would be very interested in a source of the latter which you should be able to provide as much as myself. Sadly there are not any evidence type to verdict tables devided by gender that I can find.

So you don't have any evidence that it's harder to prove that a man raped a woman than a woman raped a man? No stats to show the % of reported rapes allegedly committed by each gender and no % of convictions? [/qoute]

No. This is mainly due to my lack of willingness to pay for scholarly articles on my homw computer to check. But I can prove that a male teacher is 8.75 time worse if he is convicted of rape than his female counterpart http://www.bloggernews.net/19618

Oh and thats not including the probation that a female might recieve because that is not a punishment at all.

I could however give numerous examples of where a convicted female teacher recieves a lighter scentence than the male counterpart which comes down to the belief that the female teacher committed a less sinister act. The initial post for this thread is one.

Oh, yes, and this comes down to sexism. It's been discussed. It's not some "reverse sexism" nonsense. It's just the usual sexist belief that women don't want sex and men do.

No she didnt but other females have been able to use the excuse of nymphomania is court where the male is not allowed to. This is another example of where there is gender inequality in trials of a sexual nature. By not being able to list a case where a male claimed nymphomnia succesfully I will continue believing this psychological condition is extreemly gender biased.

I said sexual offences, not rape. There is a difference between rape and sexual offences. For example nudity, soliciting a prostitute, managing an illegal brothel, distributing pornography to minors etc are types of sexual offences that may be prosecuted against. Rape requires intercourse without consent. Rape is a type of sexual offence but not the only sexual offence.

Where the evidence needs to be first approved and therefor accepted by the court is also meaningless. It is wether the court decided heard and decided that a defence of hypersexuality was true or not.

As for cases of females using nymphomania succesfully in cases where I have a great in depth look at one from a michigan university http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/0472113291-ch2.pdf

i still wait for you to find a case where a male has been determined to be awake and in a nymphomnic state succesfully in court. A reference would be required. Should be easy enough to do. Type in the condition and a gender related word(s) in google and see if it exists.

Dude. You can't link to a 29 page pdf file that stars with a story from 1916 where a young woman was brought in by her grandmother because her grandmother thought she was a nymphomaniac and wanted to be able to take over her estate (because if the woman was a nympho then she would be mentally unfit to manage it). Women have been branded nymphos for quite some time because they liked or even showed the vaguest interest in sex.


So you admit that nympomania can be used to say a woman is not in control of her actions after briefly reading an article with numerous references. Your statement that woman are declared nymphs when they "even showed the vaguest interest in sex" is exactly where the bias is. For a sexual offence a female can use this excuse to be let off. A male on the other hand counld not. You are still yet to provide one case where a male has used or has had nymphomania applied upon him sucessfully in the court. The gender bias in society is the reason you are unable.

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Postby Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:50 pm

Dakini wrote:
Jaunty tunes wrote:http://www.bloggernews.net/19618

Hey look at this article showing a similar light sentence for a convicted female teacher. On average a male would get 15 to 20 years according to a professor but a female gets probation or one to three years.

So if we want a number on how many times worse a male rapist is to a female it is 17.5 / 2. A male (teacher) rapist is 8.75 times more sinister than his female counterpart.

This woman received 10 years and will be on probation afterward.

I'm not saying that sexism doesn't exist. I'm saying that it does and it's prevalent. It might also be getting better (given that this woman, a more recent case, received a tougher sentence).

Granted, it would be nice if women were also given equal rights in all aspects of society instead of just being punished like men.


In Western society can you name one area that woman have less than equal rights then men? I doubt it

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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:51 pm

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Dakini wrote:Dude. You can't link to a 29 page pdf file that stars with a story from 1916 where a young woman was brought in by her grandmother because her grandmother thought she was a nymphomaniac and wanted to be able to take over her estate (because if the woman was a nympho then she would be mentally unfit to manage it). Women have been branded nymphos for quite some time because they liked or even showed the vaguest interest in sex.


So you admit that nympomania can be used to say a woman is not in control of her actions after briefly reading an article with numerous references. Your statement that woman are declared nymphs when they "even showed the vaguest interest in sex" is exactly where the bias is. For a sexual offence a female can use this excuse to be let off. A male on the other hand counld not. You are still yet to provide one case where a male has used or has had nymphomania applied upon him sucessfully in the court. The gender bias in society is the reason you are unable.

Are you serious?!

You linked a pdf which talked about attitudes at the turn of the 20th century toward nymphomania. This article talks exclusively about how people tried to get women declared incompetent because they're nymphomaniacs (even though they likely weren't) and then used their "nymphomania" against them in court to show that they must have consented to sex.

And then you try to claim that women are able to get lighter sentences 100 years later because they can claim nymphomania?!

Do you not see how these two things are entirely unrelated?

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Postby Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:00 pm

Jaunty tunes wrote:
Dakini wrote:
Jaunty tunes wrote:http://www.bloggernews.net/19618

Hey look at this article showing a similar light sentence for a convicted female teacher. On average a male would get 15 to 20 years according to a professor but a female gets probation or one to three years.

So if we want a number on how many times worse a male rapist is to a female it is 17.5 / 2. A male (teacher) rapist is 8.75 times more sinister than his female counterpart.

This woman received 10 years and will be on probation afterward.

I'm not saying that sexism doesn't exist. I'm saying that it does and it's prevalent. It might also be getting better (given that this woman, a more recent case, received a tougher sentence).

Granted, it would be nice if women were also given equal rights in all aspects of society instead of just being punished like men.


In Western society can you name one area that woman have less than equal rights then men? I doubt it

Women earn less money than men. Women are promoted less than men. Women are underrepresented in politics. Women are underrepresented in the board room.

There are articles where a transgendered individual has noted that when him became a man, suddenly people stopped interrupting him and started taking his ideas more seriously. Conversely, the same article features an MTF transgendered individual who was demoted after her surgery and began having to deal with people attacking her work with less evidence (in addition to interrupting her more frequently).

As much as women have the same legal rights, we don't experience the same treatment. A man who's assertive is fine, a woman who's assertive is a bitch. A woman who enjoys sex is a nympho or a freak, a woman who as multiple partners is a slut or a whore. Women do most of the housework in most households, even when they work the same amount of hours outside the house as their partner. Sexism is alive and well, my friend.

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Postby Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:28 pm

Women earn less money than men. Women are promoted less than men. Women are underrepresented in politics. Women are underrepresented in the board room.

Woman are more likely to be non working and relying upon a man for income. This expenditure would be far more demonstrative of equality as whilst there might be a working CEO they probably have a trophy wife that spends alot. When I go to the shops I see far more woman’s clothing stores than men’s clothing stores. Things such as shoes, jumpers and cosmetics are targeted at the females. More wives do more shopping than men. Whilst Men earn more money on average, Woman spend more money on average.
Woman have the decision if they want to earn lots of money or have children that is their choice. If you can find figures of simgle childless men to single childless woman it will be far more equal.

There are articles where a transgendered individual has noted that when him became a man, suddenly people stopped interrupting him and started taking his ideas more seriously. Conversely, the same article features an MTF transgendered individual who was demoted after her surgery and began having to deal with people attacking her work with less evidence (in addition to interrupting her more frequently

Most transgender people suffer from emotional problems or mental illness. I wouldn’t take that view too seriously. The change to the desired gender may have given confidence and that could be the main factor. But I especially like your continued lack of referencing of any sorts

As much as women have the same legal rights, we don't experience the same treatment. A man who's assertive is fine, a woman who's assertive is a bitch. A woman who enjoys sex is a nympho or a freak, a woman who as multiple partners is a slut or a whore. Women do most of the housework in most households, even when they work the same amount of hours outside the house as their partner. Sexism is alive and well, my friend.

If woman on average spend less time at work as is the case of course they would do more work around the house. It really surprises me how some house people complain about their work. I could do a weeks worth of cleaning in a day for the house.
As for the difference in sexual attitudes towards men and woman alot of that attitude comes from the female gender. I have heard females call one another sluts or whores far more than I have heard men call them that. However when a female can get sex and money far easier than a male it is really the male that is on the backfoot. A female can ask almost any male at roughly her own age at any time for sex and the answer is probably, yes. Men on the other hand would be far more likely to get a negative answer
All the examples you have are not full examples. It is expenditure of money that matters more than who earns it
Transgender people wanted a sex change and that helps then psychologically. Try referending some actual study for that if you wish to continue (as with everything else you have said which is unreferenced)
And sex wise the female is the deciding factor, not the male.
The legal rights are skewed towards the female when it comes to children and legally females are treated lighter for similar offences. Even on things such as breast cancer, the male equivalent prostate cancer receives far less attention and government help.
The feminist movement has won in the west.

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