Turan devleti wrote:the gender equality at the end led to the opression of males
yeah your species think there on top to su- are you a guy?!
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by New high charity 24 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:40 am
Turan devleti wrote:the gender equality at the end led to the opression of males
Galloism wrote:I'm going to have to practice thinking I'm better than everyone else.
Oh wait... no I don't. 8)
Chocolate Jesus™Lacadaemon wrote:Yeah, but those fuckers have our oil though. >:(
Mike the Progressive wrote:Look, I didn't realize it was gay porn and I only watched a few minutes of it by accident.
by Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:42 am
Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM
The evidence to prosecute a male or female is similarly skewed. I am not surprised with the light scentence because if the female teacher had sex with a student she was :sarcasm: obviously :sarcasm: under some kind of stress or suffered from nymphomania (for a male we call is horny or seedy).
A male could not possibly hold such a defence to use it as a mitigating factor.
Interesting side note. I know that females have used nyphomania as a defence in western courts for sex charges but can anyone find a case of a male succesfully using the same defence? If not it just shows that even the professional psychological perspective of rape is skewed against males.
by Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:43 am
Turan devleti wrote:the gender equality at the end led to the opression of males
by Turan devleti » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:53 am
by Ismon » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:41 am
by Ismon » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:45 am
by GraySoap » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:52 am
by Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:01 am
GraySoap wrote:No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army
and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...
by Wamitoria » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:36 am
GraySoap wrote:No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...
But in this case, I think it would be fair enough to punish a woman the same as a man. Especially since those young teens would have had to pay child support if they weren't impotent!
by Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:38 am
Wamitoria wrote:GraySoap wrote:No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...
But in this case, I think it would be fair enough to punish a woman the same as a man. Especially since those young teens would have had to pay child support if they weren't impotent!
I agree. Most women only want more special privileges, not more equality.
by Dyakovo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:49 am
Ismon wrote:
You are either being deliberately obtuse or English is not your first language.
Ismon wrote:The age of consent refers to the age where someone is legally allowed to give consent to sex. Obviously they could agree to sex at a far younger age, it would justbe illegalnot be consent.
by Dyakovo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:50 am
Dakini wrote:Wamitoria wrote:GraySoap wrote:No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...
But in this case, I think it would be fair enough to punish a woman the same as a man. Especially since those young teens would have had to pay child support if they weren't impotent!
I agree. Most women only want more special privileges, not more equality.
What special privileges do women want?
by Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:21 pm
Dyakovo wrote:Dakini wrote:Wamitoria wrote:GraySoap wrote:No one wants equality. If we forced to women to serve in the Army and gave men the right to kill their children before the third trimester humanity would be on the verge of demographic collapse...
But in this case, I think it would be fair enough to punish a woman the same as a man. Especially since those young teens would have had to pay child support if they weren't impotent!
I agree. Most women only want more special privileges, not more equality.
What special privileges do women want?
The special privilege of being allowed out of the kitchen/bedroom.
*nods*
by NERVUN » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:22 pm
Quelesh wrote:
Well, she certainly broke the law. Whether she abused her position is debatable.Dyakovo wrote:Quelesh wrote:
I think what he is saying is that the statutory assumption made by the law in Florida (that every single human being in Florida does not possess the cognitive capacity necessary to grant informed consent to sexual activity until midnight on his or her eighteenth birthday, at which moment every person in Florida suddenly gains that capacity) is incorrect and that, in this case, the young people involved did in fact possess the cognitive capacity necessary to grant informed consent to sexual activity, despite the statutory assumption otherwise made by the law.
And yet for some reason when addressing legal matters it is the law that matters... Don't like the law? Work to get it changed.
I agree that working to get laws with which we disagree changed is an appropriate course of action. The point is that the text printed in a law book does not affect a person's actual maturity, intelligence or capacity to reason.
Laws which criminalize activity that is actually (though not legally) consensual should be changed, because such laws are morally wrong, and until such laws are changed, they should not be enforced, because their enforcement is morally wrong.
I'm speaking in general terms here; in this particular case, I don't know if the young men involved actually consented (I know they did not legally consent), because I don't know them or anything about them.
by Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:45 pm
Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM
You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?
The evidence to prosecute a male or female is similarly skewed. I am not surprised with the light scentence because if the female teacher had sex with a student she was :sarcasm: obviously :sarcasm: under some kind of stress or suffered from nymphomania (for a male we call is horny or seedy).
A male could not possibly hold such a defence to use it as a mitigating factor.
Interesting side note. I know that females have used nyphomania as a defence in western courts for sex charges but can anyone find a case of a male succesfully using the same defence? If not it just shows that even the professional psychological perspective of rape is skewed against males.
Nymphomania is a common name for an actual disorder, the male version was called satyriasis before both terms were replaced by "hypersexuality". You would probably need an actual diagnosis for this if you wanted to say that's what made you do it in court. You would probably also have to go through therapy for your sex addiction.
by Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:58 pm
Jaunty tunes wrote:Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM
You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?
The actual percentage of verdicts of guilty which varies from nation to nation is not the point. It is the disparity in proff required to convict a male over a female. As such the percentage of female rape accusations that are only that, accusations, that result in a guilty verdict are irrelevant. The amount of proof required to obtain a guilty verdict is highly relevant for both the male and female gender
No she didnt but other females have been able to use the excuse of nymphomania is court where the male is not allowed to. This is another example of where there is gender inequality in trials of a sexual nature. By not being able to list a case where a male claimed nymphomnia succesfully I will continue believing this psychological condition is extreemly gender biased.Nymphomania is a common name for an actual disorder, the male version was called satyriasis before both terms were replaced by "hypersexuality". You would probably need an actual diagnosis for this if you wanted to say that's what made you do it in court. You would probably also have to go through therapy for your sex addiction.
The technical name for the disorder or whatever else you may call it is meaningless. I was asking if you could find a case where it was used sucessfully for a males defence. You have been unable to
by Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:26 pm
Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM
You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?
The actual percentage of verdicts of guilty which varies from nation to nation is not the point. It is the disparity in proff required to convict a male over a female. As such the percentage of female rape accusations that are only that, accusations, that result in a guilty verdict are irrelevant. The amount of proof required to obtain a guilty verdict is highly relevant for both the male and female gender
I think that I'd have to see some stats on this.
No she didnt but other females have been able to use the excuse of nymphomania is court where the male is not allowed to. This is another example of where there is gender inequality in trials of a sexual nature. By not being able to list a case where a male claimed nymphomnia succesfully I will continue believing this psychological condition is extreemly gender biased.Nymphomania is a common name for an actual disorder, the male version was called satyriasis before both terms were replaced by "hypersexuality". You would probably need an actual diagnosis for this if you wanted to say that's what made you do it in court. You would probably also have to go through therapy for your sex addiction.
The technical name for the disorder or whatever else you may call it is meaningless. I was asking if you could find a case where it was used sucessfully for a males defence. You have been unable to
by Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:37 pm
Jaunty tunes wrote:Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM
You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?
The actual percentage of verdicts of guilty which varies from nation to nation is not the point. It is the disparity in proff required to convict a male over a female. As such the percentage of female rape accusations that are only that, accusations, that result in a guilty verdict are irrelevant. The amount of proof required to obtain a guilty verdict is highly relevant for both the male and female gender
I think that I'd have to see some stats on this.
Stats of what? The percentage of guilty verdicts rate which is not my point or some kind of statistic on the different types of evidence used to obtain convictions for sexual offences for males and females? I would be very interested in a source of the latter which you should be able to provide as much as myself. Sadly there are not any evidence type to verdict tables devided by gender that I can find.
I could however give numerous examples of where a convicted female teacher recieves a lighter scentence than the male counterpart which comes down to the belief that the female teacher committed a less sinister act. The initial post for this thread is one.
No she didnt but other females have been able to use the excuse of nymphomania is court where the male is not allowed to. This is another example of where there is gender inequality in trials of a sexual nature. By not being able to list a case where a male claimed nymphomnia succesfully I will continue believing this psychological condition is extreemly gender biased.I said sexual offences, not rape. There is a difference between rape and sexual offences. For example nudity, soliciting a prostitute, managing an illegal brothel, distributing pornography to minors etc are types of sexual offences that may be prosecuted against. Rape requires intercourse without consent. Rape is a type of sexual offence but not the only sexual offence.
Where the evidence needs to be first approved and therefor accepted by the court is also meaningless. It is wether the court decided heard and decided that a defence of hypersexuality was true or not.
As for cases of females using nymphomania succesfully in cases where I have a great in depth look at one from a michigan university http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/0472113291-ch2.pdf
i still wait for you to find a case where a male has been determined to be awake and in a nymphomnic state succesfully in court. A reference would be required. Should be easy enough to do. Type in the condition and a gender related word(s) in google and see if it exists.
by Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:39 pm
by Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:45 pm
Jaunty tunes wrote:http://www.bloggernews.net/19618
Hey look at this article showing a similar light sentence for a convicted female teacher. On average a male would get 15 to 20 years according to a professor but a female gets probation or one to three years.
So if we want a number on how many times worse a male rapist is to a female it is 17.5 / 2. A male (teacher) rapist is 8.75 times more sinister than his female counterpart.
by Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:46 pm
Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:If a married man claims rape he must prove that a knife (or something similar) was against his throat or people assume he was cheating. If a married female claims rape she only needs to show a brusie or two. For a male that just proves they were into BDSM
You're aware of how few rape charges make it to trial, much less a guilty verdict, yes?
The actual percentage of verdicts of guilty which varies from nation to nation is not the point. It is the disparity in proff required to convict a male over a female. As such the percentage of female rape accusations that are only that, accusations, that result in a guilty verdict are irrelevant. The amount of proof required to obtain a guilty verdict is highly relevant for both the male and female gender
I think that I'd have to see some stats on this.
Stats of what? The percentage of guilty verdicts rate which is not my point or some kind of statistic on the different types of evidence used to obtain convictions for sexual offences for males and females? I would be very interested in a source of the latter which you should be able to provide as much as myself. Sadly there are not any evidence type to verdict tables devided by gender that I can find.
So you don't have any evidence that it's harder to prove that a man raped a woman than a woman raped a man? No stats to show the % of reported rapes allegedly committed by each gender and no % of convictions? [/qoute]
No. This is mainly due to my lack of willingness to pay for scholarly articles on my homw computer to check. But I can prove that a male teacher is 8.75 time worse if he is convicted of rape than his female counterpart http://www.bloggernews.net/19618
Oh and thats not including the probation that a female might recieve because that is not a punishment at all.I could however give numerous examples of where a convicted female teacher recieves a lighter scentence than the male counterpart which comes down to the belief that the female teacher committed a less sinister act. The initial post for this thread is one.
Oh, yes, and this comes down to sexism. It's been discussed. It's not some "reverse sexism" nonsense. It's just the usual sexist belief that women don't want sex and men do.No she didnt but other females have been able to use the excuse of nymphomania is court where the male is not allowed to. This is another example of where there is gender inequality in trials of a sexual nature. By not being able to list a case where a male claimed nymphomnia succesfully I will continue believing this psychological condition is extreemly gender biased.I said sexual offences, not rape. There is a difference between rape and sexual offences. For example nudity, soliciting a prostitute, managing an illegal brothel, distributing pornography to minors etc are types of sexual offences that may be prosecuted against. Rape requires intercourse without consent. Rape is a type of sexual offence but not the only sexual offence.
Where the evidence needs to be first approved and therefor accepted by the court is also meaningless. It is wether the court decided heard and decided that a defence of hypersexuality was true or not.
As for cases of females using nymphomania succesfully in cases where I have a great in depth look at one from a michigan university http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/0472113291-ch2.pdf
i still wait for you to find a case where a male has been determined to be awake and in a nymphomnic state succesfully in court. A reference would be required. Should be easy enough to do. Type in the condition and a gender related word(s) in google and see if it exists.
Dude. You can't link to a 29 page pdf file that stars with a story from 1916 where a young woman was brought in by her grandmother because her grandmother thought she was a nymphomaniac and wanted to be able to take over her estate (because if the woman was a nympho then she would be mentally unfit to manage it). Women have been branded nymphos for quite some time because they liked or even showed the vaguest interest in sex.
by Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:50 pm
Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:http://www.bloggernews.net/19618
Hey look at this article showing a similar light sentence for a convicted female teacher. On average a male would get 15 to 20 years according to a professor but a female gets probation or one to three years.
So if we want a number on how many times worse a male rapist is to a female it is 17.5 / 2. A male (teacher) rapist is 8.75 times more sinister than his female counterpart.
This woman received 10 years and will be on probation afterward.
I'm not saying that sexism doesn't exist. I'm saying that it does and it's prevalent. It might also be getting better (given that this woman, a more recent case, received a tougher sentence).
Granted, it would be nice if women were also given equal rights in all aspects of society instead of just being punished like men.
by Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:51 pm
Jaunty tunes wrote:Dakini wrote:Dude. You can't link to a 29 page pdf file that stars with a story from 1916 where a young woman was brought in by her grandmother because her grandmother thought she was a nymphomaniac and wanted to be able to take over her estate (because if the woman was a nympho then she would be mentally unfit to manage it). Women have been branded nymphos for quite some time because they liked or even showed the vaguest interest in sex.
So you admit that nympomania can be used to say a woman is not in control of her actions after briefly reading an article with numerous references. Your statement that woman are declared nymphs when they "even showed the vaguest interest in sex" is exactly where the bias is. For a sexual offence a female can use this excuse to be let off. A male on the other hand counld not. You are still yet to provide one case where a male has used or has had nymphomania applied upon him sucessfully in the court. The gender bias in society is the reason you are unable.
by Dakini » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:00 pm
Jaunty tunes wrote:Dakini wrote:Jaunty tunes wrote:http://www.bloggernews.net/19618
Hey look at this article showing a similar light sentence for a convicted female teacher. On average a male would get 15 to 20 years according to a professor but a female gets probation or one to three years.
So if we want a number on how many times worse a male rapist is to a female it is 17.5 / 2. A male (teacher) rapist is 8.75 times more sinister than his female counterpart.
This woman received 10 years and will be on probation afterward.
I'm not saying that sexism doesn't exist. I'm saying that it does and it's prevalent. It might also be getting better (given that this woman, a more recent case, received a tougher sentence).
Granted, it would be nice if women were also given equal rights in all aspects of society instead of just being punished like men.
In Western society can you name one area that woman have less than equal rights then men? I doubt it
by Jaunty tunes » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:28 pm
Women earn less money than men. Women are promoted less than men. Women are underrepresented in politics. Women are underrepresented in the board room.
There are articles where a transgendered individual has noted that when him became a man, suddenly people stopped interrupting him and started taking his ideas more seriously. Conversely, the same article features an MTF transgendered individual who was demoted after her surgery and began having to deal with people attacking her work with less evidence (in addition to interrupting her more frequently
As much as women have the same legal rights, we don't experience the same treatment. A man who's assertive is fine, a woman who's assertive is a bitch. A woman who enjoys sex is a nympho or a freak, a woman who as multiple partners is a slut or a whore. Women do most of the housework in most households, even when they work the same amount of hours outside the house as their partner. Sexism is alive and well, my friend.
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